Ricky Henderson/Jimmy Rice Elected To Hall

element1286 · 01-12-09, 05:13 PM

Agreed.

bigboydan · 01-12-09, 05:26 PM

Tommy John should have been elected too.

crisp · 01-12-09, 05:30 PM

rice is the only guy in history to hit at least 39 homeruns and have at least 200 hits all in the same year in 3 consecutive years. thats pretty good

tullamore · 01-12-09, 05:32 PM

Rice was the most dominating hitter for a 10 yr period. He led AL in HR, RBI, and hits over that period of time. When voting for the hall its hard to compare eras, because the game has evolved over time. For his era Rice was a feared hitter who produced, therefore he should be in the hall.

jjgold · 01-12-09, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by crisp

rice is the only guy in history to hit at least 39 homeruns and have at least 200 hits all in the same year in 3 consecutive years. thats pretty good

True............pretty impressive feat

element1286 · 01-12-09, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by tullamore

Rice was the most dominating hitter for a 10 yr period. He led AL in HR, RBI, and hits over that period of time. When voting for the hall its hard to compare eras, because the game has evolved over time. For his era Rice was a feared hitter who produced, therefore he should be in the hall.

Where did this "most feared" hitter argument come from? And why is it even relevant?

element1286 · 01-12-09, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by crisp

rice is the only guy in history to hit at least 39 homeruns and have at least 200 hits all in the same year in 3 consecutive years. thats pretty good

Other than those three years his career was pretty mediocre.

smitch124 · 01-12-09, 05:51 PM

Most feared hitter is very relevant. I like players that make a mark over those who quietly amass stats over a long period of time.

The best way to decide how great a player was, is how you felt when the guy is coming up to hit against your team.

element1286 · 01-12-09, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by smitch124

Most feared hitter is very relevant. I like players that make a mark over those who quietly amass stats over a long period of time.

The best way to decide how great a player was, is how you felt when the guy is coming up to hit against your team.

According to whom is he the most feared? How can he be the most feared when there were much better hitters during his era?

smitch124 · 01-12-09, 05:59 PM

were you a fan of baseball in the late 70s early 80s? Kinda funny he just was, and everybody knew it.

element1286 · 01-12-09, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by smitch124

were you a fan of baseball in the late 70s early 80s? Kinda funny he just was, and everybody knew it.

No, wasn't born until 1986.

Who is the most feared now?

smitch124 · 01-12-09, 06:09 PM

Last coupla years, Puljos. 7 or 8 years before that, Barry Bonds

tullamore · 01-12-09, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by element1286

Where did this "most feared" hitter argument come from? And why is it even relevant?

There is no survey that I know of that named him being the most feared hitter. But I would say that his stats indicate him being the one of the most feared hitters of his era. He is the only player in MLB history to have over 200 hits and atleast 39 hr in 3 consecutive years. From 1975 to 1986, Rice led the AL in total games played, at bats, runs scored, hits, homers, RBIs, slugging average, total bases, extra base hits, go-ahead RBIs, multi-hit games, and outfield assists. He dominated his era in all the big offensive categories, thus he is one of the most feared hitters of his era.

smitch124 · 01-12-09, 06:13 PM

I just remember being scared when he came up...

element1286 · 01-12-09, 06:21 PM

His OBP was pretty mediocre, all those counting stats you listed don't really mean anything.

tullamore · 01-12-09, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by element1286

His OBP was pretty mediocre, all those counting stats you listed don't really mean anything.

Are you saying stats dont mean anything?

element1286 · 01-12-09, 06:30 PM

No, I'm saying there are certain stats that mean more than most. RBI's are the most meaningless stat there is. Hits are a function of OBP, which in Rice's case was very mediocre, and getting on the base is the most important stat there is. And all his power numbers are a function of slugging, which in Rice's case was very good, but doesn't make up for his lack of getting on base.

tullamore · 01-12-09, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by element1286

No, I'm saying there are certain stats that mean more than most. RBI's are the most meaningless stat there is. Hits are a function of OBP, which in Rice's case was very mediocre, and getting on the base is the most important stat there is. And all his power numbers are a function of slugging, which in Rice's case was very good, but doesn't make up for his lack of getting on base.

I understand the new school/moneyball way of thinking about OBP, but if no one drives in the players with a high OBP then it really doesn't matter. RBI's is a measure of prodution, Rice produced when he was at the plate and thats why he should, will be in the Hall.

rm18 · 01-12-09, 06:47 PM

Albert Belle should get in way before this guy, he was definitely the most feared hitter in the game and had many great years, but just not a long career.

element1286 · 01-12-09, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by tullamore

I understand the new school/moneyball way of thinking about OBP, but if no one drives in the players with a high OBP then it really doesn't matter. RBI's is a measure of prodution, Rice produced when he was at the plate and thats why he should, will be in the Hall.

RBI's don't measure anything. A team that gets on base a lot will score runs, the runners who are on base have to go somewhere.

smitch124 · 01-12-09, 07:14 PM

He will never measure up with the stats necessary to get in the hall now, he should've been voted in right away 5 years after retirement. He was an ahole to the media and they made him wait, petty shit.

Vikings2 · 01-12-09, 07:45 PM

Bert Blyleven should be in the Hall.

Willie Bee · 01-12-09, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by tullamore

Rice was the most dominating hitter for a 10 yr period. He led AL in HR, RBI, and hits over that period of time. When voting for the hall its hard to compare eras, because the game has evolved over time. For his era Rice was a feared hitter who produced, therefore he should be in the hall.

Correct. Both players were in my personal Hall of Fame already. Henderson is a no-brainer, I'd love to here from the 28 voters who apparently do not agree. And how much better of a player is Rice now as opposed to when he first came up for election in 1994? If you think Rice was borderline, I'll respect your decision, but for me he fit the criteria for being among the top 10% at his position among his contemporaries for at least 10 seasons.

treece · 01-12-09, 08:40 PM

15th time's the charm for Rice.

flyingillini · 01-12-09, 08:42 PM

Rice will never get in

treece · 01-13-09, 12:12 AM

He is in.

Shortstop · 01-13-09, 04:45 AM

Pete Rose should be in, no doubt!

reno cool · 01-13-09, 06:40 AM

I can't believe they finally got Rice in.

Hell I thought Henderson was still playing somewhere. But of course he belongs.

I like to see players of that era get in, they're the ones I remember.

Chi_archie · 01-13-09, 07:06 AM

Ricky might still make a comeback....

dude was using steroids late in his career though