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  • JoshW
    SBR MVP
    • 08-10-05
    • 3431

    #1
    Baseball Card Market Dead?
    It's no longer in the cards -- collectors strike out when they try to cash in -- speculators who sought big score come up short
    C.W. Nevius

    Thursday, August 10, 2006



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    Herbert Gin, who owns Cards and Comics Central in downtown San Francisco, sees it nearly every day. A guy comes into his store with a box of baseball cards he's been saving. He needs money and wants to cash in on his investment.

    But in 9 out of 10 cases, Gin says, the cards are nearly worthless.

    "They say, 'C'mon, offer me something,' " Gin says. "I tell them I can't offer anything. I hate to think how many marriages it has literally destroyed or how many bankruptcies it has caused."

    The baseball card market has gone belly-up. Not for the hobbyists or the kids and fans who like to swap cards. Not even for serious collectors who pay thousands for a perfect Mickey Mantle rookie card. (A recent eBay auction started bidding for the 1952 Topps Mantle at $6,900, and that was for a card graded in "good" condition.) The classic cards retain their worth.

    But for those who got caught up in the wildcat speculation of the '90s -- the middle-aged men who bought cards by the case and kept them in clear plastic so they could clean up in 10 years -- the game is over.

    "There are now a lot of guys right now looking at their collection, hoping to find a treasure chest,'' says Elon Werner, director of communications for Beckett Baseball magazine, which tracks card trends. "And instead they are finding Al Capone's vault."

    There are some logical and serious reasons this happened, ranging from video games to poor marketing. But there is also a feeling that declining interest in baseball cards reflects disillusionment with the culture of sport and heroes in the country. Like sports stars, baseball cards were the victims of greed, overexposure and disappointment.

    "There is definitely a change in the religious belief that sports build character and athletes are role models," says Derek Van Rheenen, a former professional soccer player turned Cal professor who teaches a course called "Sport and American Culture." "There was a kind of cultural capital that a lot of people gained a great deal from. And I don't know what is going to replace that."

    Baseball cards are now repositioning themselves as what they should have been all along: an enjoyable hobby. And although there are some encouraging signs, the climate in baseball -- from the BALCO steroids scandal to players like the Giants' Armando Benitez bickering with the fans -- doesn't encourage a comeback.

    "I think you do see some disenchantment,'' says Tracy Hackler, associate publisher for sports for Beckett Baseball. "And I think you see society reacting to them in collectables.''

    In 1991, the trading card industry set a record with $1.1 billion in sales. Today, that figure is more like $300 million, and the number of card shops has dropped from 4,500 to 1,200, according to marketing magazine Brandweek.

    It isn't as if the true believers aren't around. Bob Michener runs two Bay Area Diamond Sports Card shops. He's had the one in Concord for 18 years and his San Rafael location for 10. Business is still good, he says.

    "The average person who comes in is completely sick of hearing about BALCO,'' Michener says. "They say they are just sick of it, and they want it to go away."

    But the opposite happened in many other cases. People began to find they couldn't care less about the players and their cards. And it wasn't just because their heroes had feet of clay. It was also a classic case of some corporate sharpies seeing a hot business opportunity and running it right into the ground.

    As Joe Field, owner and founder of the landmark Flying Colors comic and card store in Concord, says, we should never underestimate the tendency of "adults to abscond with kids' fun."

    When some casual collectors heard that their old baseball cards were worth serious money, many of them jumped into the speculative market. Other companies, realizing an opportunity, began to challenge the Topps brand. At one point, Brandweek says, as many as 80 companies produced trading cards.

    And these cards weren't for trading with friends or flipping into a hat on lazy summer afternoons. These were meant to be kept "pristine" and perfect.

    "The poor kid would get a pack and start to open it," says Van Rheenen, "and we'd say, 'No, no, no. Don't ever take it out of the plastic. You don't want to get your grimy fingers on it.' "

    "And God forbid you'd put them in your bicycle spokes," Hackler says. (For those too young to remember, we old guys used to clothespin cards to our bike wheels to make a very satisfying motorcycle sound.)

    Then there was the problem that sometimes you bought a pack of cards and got nothing but a bunch of middle relievers and utility infielders. Scoring a big star was a great moment in a collector's career. The card companies decided buyers needed more instant gratification and began to load their packs with hot cards. All they managed to do was create a glut in the market.

    "If you have something valuable in every pack," says Hackler, "it won't be valuable very long."

    Eventually, they even took out the bubble gum.

    "Collectors were complaining there were gum stains on their cards," Field says.

    It was a concept that had lost its way. The top cards weren't rare any more because the new companies had glutted the market. And although some collectors wanted to believe that their pristine Barry Bonds rookie cards were worth a couple of thousand dollars, the Internet had a way of lowering expectations.

    "People would get on eBay and say, "I'll sell you my Bonds card for $500 right now,' " Van Rheenen says.

    Some in the industry are convinced that the big stars will still prevail. The market might never be back to what it was, but they think fans will forgive and forget when it comes to the legends of the game.

    "If Bonds gets healthy and eclipses Hank Aaron's (all-time home run) record, he's going to be back on top," Hackler insists.

    Maybe so. But everyone agrees that the key to the rebound is the younger generation. And they may be a tough sell.

    "Why does a kid want a baseball card of a player," Field asks, "when, with a joystick, he can be that player in a video game?"

    And the good news? There's no drug testing in video games.



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    Barry Bonds -- 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany
    Current Price $800

    Highest Price $2,500



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    Mark Mcgwire -- 1985 Topps Tiffany
    Current Price $1,000

    Highest Price $8,000



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    Sammy Sosa -- 1990 Leaf
    Current Price $20-$50

    Highest Price $1,200



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    Rafael Palmeiro -- 1987 Donruss
    Current Price $15-$25

    Highest Price $200

    Source: Current sales price from Beckett Baseball Plus, Aug./Sept. 2006

  • bigboydan
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 08-10-05
    • 55420

    #2
    it's not a real shocker at all that card owners wouldn't give anything for peoples collections nowadays, because this market has been dead for many years.
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    • Santo
      SBR MVP
      • 09-08-05
      • 2957

      #3
      The market for recent cards isn't really dead, current rookies still sell well, the worthless stuff is the 90s stuff because it was so heavily overproduced..
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      • tacomax
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 08-10-05
        • 9619

        #4
        Yeah, BGD is basing his opinion on the 268 Barry Bonds cards he's still got under his bed. The ones that he hasn't spilt mayonnaise on, that is.
        Originally posted by pags11
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        I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
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        • pags11
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 08-18-05
          • 12264

          #5
          damn, got about 8 big boxes worth of cards in my garage...
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            Kids do nt buy cards anymore, they want to by week, coke and heroin.

            New generation sucks as do their parents
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            • JoshW
              SBR MVP
              • 08-10-05
              • 3431

              #7
              I feel like the card market was good for sports betting. Sort of like a lottery ticket that even a kid could by. Get them hooked early. :|

              Santo, what brands are popular now? I have no clue.
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              • bigboydan
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 08-10-05
                • 55420

                #8
                thats just it laker. how many kids can afford 5 bucks for a pack of cards nowadays. those kids don't want thr $1.00 packs at all, because those cards are totaly worthless
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                • Bulldog
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 06-22-06
                  • 839

                  #9
                  Interesting subject.
                  Its sad to hear, not only beacause Im on of those guys with a whole bunch of worthless 90´s cards but also it seems like its been part of american sports for so long, specially baseball.
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                  • McBa1n
                    SBR MVP
                    • 01-02-06
                    • 2642

                    #10
                    Cards aren't dead at all - actually, they are about to go through another crash (semi-likely), but not nearly as dramatic as the one that happened when everyone realized they had 10 cases of 87 topps or 88 donruss cards in their closet. The current crash has been very slow and steady - but there IS a premium end to the industry now that isn't going to die any time soon.... Because of small production and premium items.

                    That article is about 10 years late, to be honest. Card collecting has changed dramatically. Modern cards are for what they are: collecting. Also, due to so many autographed cards and game used items being plastered on the cards, they will always be in demand for premium players.

                    Specialty houses survived because they diversified in rarer items, and not limited to older (vintage+) cards and unopened packs and oddball memorabilia that is in short supply.

                    Current houses that JUST get by (by the way, there are at least 3x the number of shops as listed, EASY, due to the internet/show dealers alone - heck, just the internet alone has created more dealers than there were in the early 90s) cater to specialties. Some deal in vintage, some in unopened packs (vintage OR modern or rarely both - which are both very lucrative, but you need almost half a million in merchandise to be profitable as margins can be razor thin due to major competition), some just cater to whoever walks in the door and has great networking skills (wantlist fillers are rarer today moreso than ever, but to help those without internet talent can be VERY profitable).

                    To be honest, the only thing dead about cards is the 'investing wannabe' years (yeah - I got my money in there, too...sigh) - those cards won't ever hit premium prices ever since EVERYONE has a billion of them. I'd say if you were going to invest, it's in older cards in top condition, as those tend to appreciate at a much higher rate than anything else - and have almost no bottom, because of the finite amount of said cards (1950s or earlier, primarily) and the pure rarity amongst cards that are in good condition.

                    I still collect Packer stuff and the random 1980s Brewer crap (Robin Yount, Cecil Cooper, Gorman Thomas, etc stuff) and football or soccer players I like, although, very little, compared to what I want to... Gambling roll or memorabilia? It's a tough balance for me:>. I think the majority of collectors that fuel the industry now are those that want the 'high end' premium players... People pay HUGE money for those players items (cards that have game-used memorabilia or autographs on them only, really - basecards, while rare, are virtually worthless until a person tries making a set where there are only 100 produced - that is it) - heck, upper deck has been a smash with their 500$/ for 4 or 5 cards per PACK basketball line. That's per PACK... 1 in 10 people get garbage (less than $100 in value on ebay), but someone might hit a card with Jordan and Lebron's autograph on it - one of those can almost buy you a new car... Ok, a low end car - but it could make a sick downpayment on a nice one:>

                    It's amazing how it's changed, but it is most certainly far from dead. People will ALWAYS pay a premium for an elite player's autograph (that is certified) and a reasonable amount for a card with game-used memorabilia on it. It's legit and it's a small piece of history for us sports nuts.

                    If you'd like to know how much hobbyists spend on cards, do a search on 'lebron james auto' on ebay and look in the cards section - or Jordan, or Peyton Manning... Or go to Beckett.com and check out their message boards.

                    It's mind-blowing, but I have to say, card manufacturers sure are delivering a LOT of things that are hard to resist if you love memorabilia (including Vince Lombardi's autograph, Lou Gherig's autograph, Jim Thorpe's autograph with a swatch of his Canton Bulldog's team jacket, or a piece of Babe Ruth's bat). The only thing that is dead are the jackasses with too much money that ruined a fun thing for kids. It's now an adult's market (with a good job), not a childs'. That part sucks - but that's the trend in marketing. Jackasses trying to sell me back my childhood. I think the only 2 things that get me on that are the occasional card purchase and Big League Chew. Big League Chew is my poker secret weapon, but I'll share it here since so many have shared so many nice tips that I've read.
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                    • Santo
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-08-05
                      • 2957

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lakerfan
                      I feel like the card market was good for sports betting. Sort of like a lottery ticket that even a kid could by. Get them hooked early. :|

                      Santo, what brands are popular now? I have no clue.
                      The topps Old style ones are popular, Topps 206 a few years ago, Allen & Ginter this year.. the big release each year are the Bowman Chrome rookies, they go for a killing, jersey/bat cards and 1/1's are always popular.. I loved Donruss but their MLB license didn't get renewed.

                      Still good money in buying lots and reselling if you know what you're doing.
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                      • Stumpage
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-21-05
                        • 2906

                        #12
                        Still distinctly remember getting every single baseball card of the 1974 season (660 in total), apart from one, which just happened to be the MVP of the AL that year, Jeff Burroughs. I must have spent a lot of kid coin trying to get my hands on that elusive card, and I've never actually seen it to this day.
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                        • scottyy11
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 03-08-06
                          • 693

                          #13
                          still think you will do ok buying pre 80's HOFers.....cards of the 60's and 70's are so limited and hard to find in NM better condition. But like every market gotta buy low and sell high
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