SBR World Poker Cup standings!

[shaunovery]

London full of Asians but how many play poker

[Wulfman14]

[QUOTE=sweep;18554220]

How about a camel toe then Wulfer?

Hahaha . Don't feel like getting banned sweeper.

[shari91]

Asians geographically. Not by our features though. Most Indians don't like being grouped as a whole with the orient. There is a clear difference. Only geographically we are Asian. Same can be said about Russia .And yes if you fought for years at the border of Kashmir like my dad has you develop mongoloid hate. They supply Pakistan with weapons to use against us. Furthermore the Chinese want more and more land because they want to take over the world so they constantly have absurd border disputes with us. I hardly have any Chinese friends in ny also.

North Americans could say the same thing. Not many Mexicans that think they look like Yanks or Canucks. Not many Yanks or Canucks who even think about Mexicans when someone talks of North America. Even Canadians and Americans get into it. A lot of debates going on amongst those 3 countries but at the end of the day your continent is your continent. Canadians and Americans and Mexicans would back each other in the event that someone else tried to take them over. Canadians and Americans for one reason, Americans and Mexicans for another. These 3 countries would protect each other on this one continent they inhabit. I truly hope you guys would do the same. If not, that's you're own thing to deal with... however it has no bearing on what people say when they move elsewhere. xo

[BranchDavidian]

SBR is listening to its base. The same base SBR has been saying for 2yrs plus constitutes more than 50+ % outside of the US every time someone bitches about Store or Pro changes.

More than 50% of SBR's users are from outside the US. Yes the US has 300 million + residents, give or take depending on which country they're jumping in... doesn't mean they represent a large part of SBR's poster base. The biggest amount of loudmouths and people who don't talk about sports in PT? Yes. The largest amount of people willing to play poker for points since they can't legally play elsewhere? Yeah probably because all of us can play elsewhere for cash. However the bigger % of Pros and posters is outside of the US. Shocking yeah?

Count how many people are in Europe. Count how many people are in the World (considering we have all of Asia [including India for you ignoramuses]) and then maybe bitch about Canada. They're the ones getting fukked over if anyone because their whole total base is much smaller. Yes the US has the most vocal and the most bitchy posters... but they don't make up the largest chunk of Pros or even registered posters on SBR.

Canadians... start bitching!!! My homeys are the only ones who have a proper grief about this format and I've never heard one complain. Funny that.

So you are saying that you believe this tournament structure to be fair? If so, how do you explain the results so far --- the top point getters from each region would not make team USA. Posters from the USA, at the end of this tournament, could have way more points than winners from the other regions and not even be close to qualifying. I have done about all the bitching I can handle, as I see you are even more tired of it. How anybody can look at this tournament and not see how Americans are getting shafted is beyond me. Judging by the responses to this thread ( admittedly Americans are going to post more often here than others ), it seems the vast majority here are not blind. This is SBR's tournament and they obviously have the right to run it any way they want. However, I for one, and a whole lot more of my fellow posters are very disappointed in SBR's lack of fair play and responsiveness to poster's concerns. I used to be very impressed with SBR. This last year has really taken the shine off that apple. First BI. Then I see poster after poster say that they have filed a complaint with SBR, but after weeks to months, have not heard a thing from SBR. And when complaints do get responded to lately, it seems that there is no consistency in the decisions ( if a decision is made, in a couple of cased SBR just told the OP to go away ). And now, on top of the loss of quality posts, due to so many intelligent posters getting banned for what appears to be frivolous reasons, we have SBR handing out 75% of the World Poker Cup seats to posters with relatively low point totals --- and is keeping its eyes closed to any negative feedback. So go ahead and screw us over if you insist. You don't seem to mind losing more posters.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Majority of posters and pros from outside US is believable but irrelevant I think; the primary concern is the posters who play poker, and as identified above and by the overwhelming disparity between totals, most of those are US residents. As a comparison, if 90% of the posters in a rugby subforum were non-US, it wouldn't make much sense to run a contest where those 90% competed for 25% of the spots to advance while the US was divided by time zone! If it was the first year or even 2nd I could see an argument for SBR not knowing the player base, but by now it's a bit obvious. When you have a competitive event like this, it has to be balanced or it becomes irrelevant and damages the site's reputation.

[shaunovery]

think shari has already said this site is made up of more non -us

and for playing poker more Americans play on the poker site because they can't really play many other places unlike us Europeans

[pavyracer]

"We cannot solve our problems with the same level of thinking we used when we created them" A. Einstein

[Wulfman14]

North Americans could say the same thing. Not many Mexicans that think they look like Yanks or Canucks. Not many Yanks or Canucks who even think about Mexicans when someone talks of North America. Even Canadians and Americans get into it. A lot of debates going on amongst those 3 countries but at the end of the day your continent is your continent. Canadians and Americans and Mexicans would back each other in the event that someone else tried to take them over. Canadians and Americans for one reason, Americans and Mexicans for another. These 3 countries would protect each other on this one
continent they inhabit. I truly hope you guys would do the same. If not, that's you're own thing to deal
with... however it has no bearing on what people say when they move elsewhere. xo

Sis if India were attacked the Chinese would laugh and ally with whoever it it. There is much more tension on the Asian continent then north America. Do mexicans have beef with Greenland ? us and Canada are like brothers and I'm sure both
would help Mexico if need be. Not in Asia Shari. Too many people, too little land. The Japanese and south Koreans hate one another since wwII. China and India are only diplomatic cuz it would be detrimental to either if they went to war. Pakistan and
Bangladesh hate one another but India protects bangladesh so Pakistan doesn't
make a move. Don't think the Russians care much for the Chinese. Probably same
relation as India has with them. Then you have the middle east , religious warfare.
It is my belief that if any major country in Asia were attacked they would NOT be helped by their neighbors and more likely the west.

And I am here in asia so even though I'm from new York I can make plenty of inferences about public opinion here after 2 + years. Mention Pakistan or china to most hindu or sikh Indians and they will make a face.

[Triple_D_Bet]

think shari has already said this site is made up of more non -us

and for playing poker more Americans play on the poker site because they can't really play many other places unlike us Europeans

Both quite likely to be true for many, but the "why" most SBR poker players are US-based isn't relevant; the fact that they are should be addressed much better than it is by the current contest. If the goal of the contest was to draw in more non-US players to the poker room to show added value for Pro membership, I have a hard time believing the added value shown to non-US residents outweighs the slap in the face towards US Pros. Sadly, as mentioned previously, I'd guess there wasn't really a "goal" so much as just checking the box and running a contest that fills the calendar.

[Wulfman14]

Both quite likely to be true for many, but the "why" most SBR poker players are US-based isn't relevant; the fact that they are should be addressed much better than it is by the current contest. If the goal of the contest was to draw in more non-US players to the poker room to show added value for Pro membership, I have a hard time believing the added value shown to non-US residents outweighs the slap in the face towards US Pros. Sadly, as mentioned previously, I'd guess there wasn't really a "goal" so much as just checking the box and running a contest that fills the calendar.

All yur intellectual gibberish aside, it is messed up that someone in world with 500 points will make a team and someone with 2000 points won't cuz they are US based. But if you have 100 balls in a bowl and 75 are red,white,and blue of
course the probability of picking an American for placing in points is going to be higher. No doubt the 3k points + Americans that get left out from their team
deserve recognition because regardless of probability they are repeatedly placing
because of skill. So I dunno. but those that are repeatedly cashing will make team US so I don't see the problem really cuz their skill level is being recognized. Those with more points then say Europe and world that are left out is only because of the bowl thing I mentioned. Of course they are more likely to cash because there are more red, white and blue balls in the bowl.

[shari91]

So you are saying that you believe this tournament structure to be fair? If so, how do you explain the results so far --- the top point getters from each region would not make team USA. Posters from the USA, at the end of this tournament, could have way more points than winners from the other regions and not even be close to qualifying. I have done about all the bitching I can handle, as I see you are even more tired of it. How anybody can look at this tournament and not see how Americans are getting shafted is beyond me. Judging by the responses to this thread ( admittedly Americans are going to post more often here than others ), it seems the vast majority here are not blind. This is SBR's tournament and they obviously have the right to run it any way they want. However, I for one, and a whole lot more of my fellow posters are very disappointed in SBR's lack of fair play and responsiveness to poster's concerns. I used to be very impressed with SBR. This last year has really taken the shine off that apple. First BI. Then I see poster after poster say that they have filed a complaint with SBR, but after weeks to months, have not heard a thing from SBR. And when complaints do get responded to lately, it seems that there is no consistency in the decisions ( if a decision is made, in a couple of cased SBR just told the OP to go away ). And now, on top of the loss of quality posts, due to so many intelligent posters getting banned for what appears to be frivolous reasons, we have SBR handing out 75% of the World Poker Cup seats to posters with relatively low point totals --- and is keeping its eyes closed to any negative feedback. So go ahead and screw us over if you insist. You don't seem to mind losing more posters.

I'm saying I don't care. Downsouth for example (a guy I got drunk with in Vegas and love TO DEATH) has more cashes than I've even played tourneys. It's like who the fukk cares. Should I be complaining that he's played x amount more times than me?

Like I said the only people who should be complaining are Canadians and I've NEVER heard them once complain.. NEVER.

Enter or not. No one's going to lose sleep either way and the format won't change.

[Triple_D_Bet]

All yur intellectual gibberish aside, it is messed up that someone in world with 500 points will make a team and someone with 2000 points won't cuz they are US based. But if you have 100 balls in a bowl and 75 are red,white,and blue of course the probability of picking an American for placing in points is going to be higher. No doubt the 3k points + Americans that get left out from their team deserve recognition because regardless of probability they are repeatedly placing because of skill. So I dunno.

Heh, not gibberish...I have more than a passing familiarity with competitive structures, and to achieve the goals of a contest (and every contest should have goals, or else it's worse than a waste of time) these are the concepts that need to be thought of and the terms which need to be used. With the huge disparity between US and non-US players, it's probably not possible to completely level the playing field in this contest by it's very nature (geographical regions vs each other with huge differences in member populations), but there are several steps which could be easily taken to minimize it (divide US into several regions).

Or better yet, scrap the idea of geography-based contest since the player populations don't support it, and come up with another one! Run dailies to qualify, then top 50 playing for WSOP entry is simple, easy, meaningful and fair across the player base. Running contests that are none of these things is counterproductive.

[Triple_D_Bet]

I'm saying I don't care. Downsouth for example (a guy I got drunk with in Vegas and love TO DEATH) has more cashes than I've even played tourneys. It's like who the fukk cares. Should I be complaining that he's played x amount more times than me?

Like I said the only people who should be complaining are Canadians and I've NEVER heard them once complain.. NEVER.

Enter or not. No one's going to lose sleep either way and the format won't change.

Not trying to defend BranchDavidian (who goes a bit far imo), but the format not changing in the face of overwhelming feedback (and especially acknowledging that!) sends the wrong signal to customers. I play in the dailies for the fun of it, but I'd enjoy the fun quite a bit more if there was a competitive format with signficiant prizes at stake. I won't stop playing because there's not, but it seems to me SBR is missing an opportunity to make a fairly simple change for the better.

[Wulfman14]

Heh, not gibberish...I have more than a passing familiarity with competitive structures, and to achieve the goals of a contest (and every contest should have goals, or else it's worse than a waste of time) these are the concepts that need to be thought of and the terms which need to be used. With the huge disparity between US and non-US players, it's probably not possible to completely level the playing field in this contest by it's very nature (geographical regions vs each other with huge differences in member populations), but there are several steps which could be easily taken to minimize it (divide US
into several regions).

Or better yet, scrap the idea of geography-based contest since the player populations don't support it, and
come up with another one! Run dailies to qualify, then top 50 playing for WSOP entry is simple, easy, meaningful and fair across the player base. Running contests that are none of these things is counterproductive.

I was just kidding bout gibberish. Indeed breaking up the US into four regions would not level the playing field but it would help immensely giving the huge number of US players. Then the bowl analogy comes into play and is definitely more fair. Agreed tripleD.

[k13]

It would be more interesting to have 8 people at the tables from supposed different regions.

But whatever, poker is poker. Just like my quick fix in the morning while I eat breakfast.

[RudyRuetigger]

Like I said the only people who should be complaining are Canadians and I've NEVER heard them once complain.. NEVER.

Common you cant be serious

[RudyRuetigger]

Not trying to defend BranchDavidian (who goes a bit far imo), but the format not changing in the face of overwhelming feedback (and especially acknowledging that!) sends the wrong signal to customers. I play in the dailies for the fun of it, but I'd enjoy the fun quite a bit more if there was a competitive format with signficiant prizes at stake. I won't stop playing because there's not, but it seems to me SBR is missing an opportunity to make a fairly simple change for the better.

Feedback?

You should've seen the format when it was first introduced.

[pavyracer]

Maybe there is a reason the contest is run this way. It's to force the US players to play every day for the whole run of the tourney to increase their chances of making the top ten whereas the guys from Europe and World can play once every two weeks cash in a couple tourneys and make the team. So basically SBR is making sure the US players play everyday and visit the site every day.

[RonPaul2008]

This may all be true, but it is irrelevant to this poker series. Clearly many more Americans are playing this poker series then non-americans as evidenced by the number of points needed to make the various teams.

SBR is listening to its base. The same base SBR has been saying for 2yrs plus constitutes more than 50+ % outside of the US every time someone bitches about Store or Pro changes.

More than 50% of SBR's users are from outside the US. Yes the US has 300 million + residents, give or take depending on which country they're jumping in... doesn't mean they represent a large part of SBR's poster base. The biggest amount of loudmouths and people who don't talk about sports in PT? Yes. The largest amount of people willing to play poker for points since they can't legally play elsewhere? Yeah probably because all of us can play elsewhere for cash. However the bigger % of Pros and posters is outside of the US. Shocking yeah?

Count how many people are in Europe. Count how many people are in the World (considering we have all of Asia [including India for you ignoramuses]) and then maybe bitch about Canada. They're the ones getting fukked over if anyone because their whole total base is much smaller. Yes the US has the most vocal and the most bitchy posters... but they don't make up the largest chunk of Pros or even registered posters on SBR.

Canadians... start bitching!!! My homeys are the only ones who have a proper grief about this format and I've never heard one complain. Funny that.

[mikejamm]

Heh, not gibberish...I have more than a passing familiarity with competitive structures, and to achieve the goals of a contest (and every contest should have goals, or else it's worse than a waste of time) these are the concepts that need to be thought of and the terms which need to be used. With the huge disparity between US and non-US players, it's probably not possible to completely level the playing field in this contest by it's very nature (geographical regions vs each other with huge differences in member populations), but there are several steps which could be easily taken to minimize it (divide US into several regions).

Or better yet, scrap the idea of geography-based contest since the player populations don't support it, and come up with another one! Run dailies to qualify, then top 50 playing for WSOP entry is simple, easy, meaningful and fair across the player base. Running contests that are none of these things is counterproductive.

Great idea from one of the smartest guys on the forum. Of course it will never happen because it "actually is a damn good idea." I think Shari is just blow'in smoke up our asses about the majority of sbr pro's and memberships being outside the US. Let's see the fuk'in numbers to back it up! Poker overseas and abroad is as popular as ever. Even more so, since foreign countries have way more relaxed gambling laws and run big time tourneys!

Hell, the WSOP even has a European division now. Gotta try and smooth shit over somehow as usual! Just like when the whole BI fiasco came about. Who was the first one to jump in and defend the no balls assholes who wouldn't get on here and explain what the fuk was go'in on? Shari of course. Always send some pawn in to do your dirty work. Sbr motto as of late.

And to answer an earlier question as to why sbr wont post a top 12 instead of a top 10? It's because the guy in the 12th spot on the fuk'in world team has like 20 damn points I'm sure!

Face it guys, sbr does not respect or give a shit about it's USA membership! We are almost basically cut off from most sportsbooks, as more and more get raided or go under with player's deposits everyday. If we have a problem, sbr will no longer come to our defense because of their risk of involvement with or being related to a foreign gambling enterprise or bank transaction processors.

This company use to have balls and would stand up for the player and attempt to resolve a grievance when a player was being fuk'ed over by some shady book. BI changed all of that. You got dose of reality as to who was really being fuk'in played for a sucker. A+ rating, yeah right! Give us a fuk'in break! Fair and equal representation of a so called World Poker Cup? Yeah whatever! A donkey it still a fuk'in donkey even if you dress him up in silks, put a jockey on him and ride him in the KY Derby!

[BranchDavidian]

I'm saying I don't care. Downsouth for example (a guy I got drunk with in Vegas and love TO DEATH) has more cashes than I've even played tourneys. It's like who the fukk cares. Should I be complaining that he's played x amount more times than me?

Like I said the only people who should be complaining are Canadians and I've NEVER heard them once complain.. NEVER.

Enter or not. No one's going to lose sleep either way and the format won't change.

That is all I wanted to see you admit. That is exactly what I have been saying --- you don't care that it is unfair. Thank you.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Maybe there is a reason the contest is run this way. It's to force the US players to play every day for the whole run of the tourney to increase their chances of making the top ten whereas the guys from Europe and World can play once every two weeks cash in a couple tourneys and make the team. So basically SBR is making sure the US players play everyday and visit the site every day.

Would almost make sense pavy, but in this case, the potential prizes for making the team are trivial for the 4+ months commitment you have to make. Anyone playing daily isn't doing so because of the contest...and a contest that fails to change people's behavior is an ineffective one.

[Triple_D_Bet]

For those looking for a shorter and more equitable contest, the 3rd month of my Leaderboard challenge is coming up! http://forum.sbrforum.com/poker/2304...d-contest.html

[5mike5]

For those looking for a shorter and more equitable contest, the 3rd month of my Leaderboard challenge is coming up! http://forum.sbrforum.com/poker/2304...d-contest.html

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the prizes in ur contest are also almost just as good as every overall prize but 1st on the poker contest that 1 person gets for a contest that runs 1/2 the year too

[ramones951]

Great idea from one of the smartest guys on the forum. Of course it will never happen because it "actually is a damn good idea." I think Shari is just blow'in smoke up our asses about the majority of sbr pro's and memberships being outside the US. Let's see the fuk'in numbers to back it up! Poker overseas and abroad is as popular as ever. Even more so, since foreign countries have way more relaxed gambling laws and run big time tourneys!

Hell, the WSOP even has a European division now. Gotta try and smooth shit over somehow as usual! Just like when the whole BI fiasco came about. Who was the first one to jump in and defend the no balls assholes who wouldn't get on here and explain what the fuk was go'in on? Shari of course. Always send some pawn in to do your dirty work. Sbr motto as of late.

And to answer an earlier question as to why sbr wont post a top 12 instead of a top 10? It's because the guy in the 12th spot on the fuk'in world team has like 20 damn points I'm sure!

Face it guys, sbr does not respect or give a shit about it's USA membership! We are almost basically cut off from most sportsbooks, as more and more get raided or go under with player's deposits everyday. If we have a problem, sbr will no longer come to our defense because of their risk of involvement with or being related to a foreign gambling enterprise or bank transaction processors.

This company use to have balls and would stand up for the player and attempt to resolve a grievance when a player was being fuk'ed over by some shady book. BI changed all of that. You got dose of reality as to who was really being fuk'in played for a sucker. A+ rating, yeah right! Give us a fuk'in break! Fair and equal representation of a so called World Poker Cup? Yeah whatever! A donkey it still a fuk'in donkey even if you dress him up in silks, put a jockey on him and ride him in the KY Derby!

[Enkhbat]

mikejamm is butthurt because he knows he can never make team USA

[mikejamm]

mikejamm is butthurt because he knows he can never make team USA

Like I give a fuk. Your dumb ass wouldn't make Team USA anything, because you're a douche bag foreigner! At least I get to live in the USA asshole, now go ride your ox cart to the local mud hut and buy some goat anus for dinner.

[Enkhbat]

I will definitely finish with more points than you, at least I live in a free country. I wouldn't be that happy if I was from the Police State of America. Better get some gold and silver before your dollars can't buy anything

[Robber]

Nice USA flag in your avatar

And Canada benefits from this format

[TheCentaur]

Great idea from one of the smartest guys on the forum. Of course it will never happen because it "actually is a damn good idea." I think Shari is just blow'in smoke up our asses about the majority of sbr pro's and memberships being outside the US. Let's see the fuk'in numbers to back it up! Poker overseas and abroad is as popular as ever. Even more so, since foreign countries have way more relaxed gambling laws and run big time tourneys!

Hell, the WSOP even has a European division now. Gotta try and smooth shit over somehow as usual! Just like when the whole BI fiasco came about. Who was the first one to jump in and defend the no balls assholes who wouldn't get on here and explain what the fuk was go'in on? Shari of course. Always send some pawn in to do your dirty work. Sbr motto as of late.

And to answer an earlier question as to why sbr wont post a top 12 instead of a top 10? It's because the guy in the 12th spot on the fuk'in world team has like 20 damn points I'm sure!

Face it guys, sbr does not respect or give a shit about it's USA membership! We are almost basically cut off from most sportsbooks, as more and more get raided or go under with player's deposits everyday. If we have a problem, sbr will no longer come to our defense because of their risk of involvement with or being related to a foreign gambling enterprise or bank transaction processors.

This company use to have balls and would stand up for the player and attempt to resolve a grievance when a player was being fuk'ed over by some shady book. BI changed all of that. You got dose of reality as to who was really being fuk'in played for a sucker. A+ rating, yeah right! Give us a fuk'in break! Fair and equal representation of a so called World Poker Cup? Yeah whatever! A donkey it still a fuk'in donkey even if you dress him up in silks, put a jockey on him and ride him in the KY Derby!

and this guy was just criticizing me for not trusting a site I was a member on

What a psycho

[shari91]

Feedback?



You should've seen the format when it was first introduced.

I'd ask you to bold this and power post it repeatedly but I fear the point would still be lost on some.

[4uk4life]

Maybe they could make 2 USA teams, have them face each other to see who moves on into the final 4. I don't really care about qualifying but maybe that would satisfy.

[Wulfman14]

Whatever it is , it has been in place for the last two years. Shari didn't decide on the format so send an email to forum@sbrforum.com with all the complaints. Some are valid but again she is not responsible so
BACK OFF !!! :Adam sandler impersonation:

[Wulfman14]

Uk is good people's, even though he is a nit.

Hope baby girl is doing alright bro.

[shaunovery]

format is set lets move on