How much damage can the Akron Zips do in the tourney?

numismatist · 03-02-13, 10:07 PM

Yes I like Akron as well. One of my dark horses when I fill out my brackets....

Itsamazing777 · 03-03-13, 01:16 AM

Akron against georgetowns defense ?

OhMyEli · 03-03-13, 02:19 AM

You kidding me, if they play a single major conference team that has a decent coach they will get the same thing that happened to them tonight. They let some guy who was probably the 3rd best player on his high school team dominate them.

SexyMit · 03-03-13, 09:12 AM

None now

HOT WINGS · 03-03-13, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by GoBlue77

possible but meaningless game for zips by then. they will get an at large bid

Debatable

stevenash · 03-04-13, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by HOT WINGS

Debatable

No debate, 22 wins from a mid major and a .595 RPI gets you an at large bid.
No debate.

Men's Basketball - Team RPIs (2012-2013)
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Rank		School	W-L	RPI	SOS Rank	SOS	Conf.	Conf. W-L
	1	Duke	25-4	0.6869	1	0.6173	Acc	12-4
	2	New Mexico	25-4	0.6737	3	0.6075	Mwest	12-2
	3	Miami (FL)	23-5	0.6671	4	0.6056	Acc	14-2
	4	Kansas	25-4	0.6536	13	0.5861	Big12	13-3
	5	Louisville	24-5	0.6501	12	0.5869	Bige	12-4
	6	Florida	23-5	0.6499	23	0.5763	Sec	13-3
	7	Indiana	25-4	0.6490	18	0.5816	Big10	13-3
	8	Michigan St.	21-6	0.6453	5	0.5979	Big10	11-4
	9	Gonzaga	28-2	0.6435	71	0.5482	Wcc	16-0
	10	Georgetown	23-4	0.6399	33	0.5721	Bige	13-3

	11	Michigan	22-5	0.6369	44	0.5644	Big10	10-5
	12	Marquette	21-7	0.6366	8	0.5906	Bige	12-4
	13	Arizona	23-6	0.6301	28	0.5740	Pac12	11-6
	14	UNLV	21-7	0.6294	19	0.5803	Mwest	9-5
	15	Minnesota	20-9	0.6289	2	0.6143	Big10	8-8
	16	Syracuse	22-7	0.6285	7	0.5915	Bige	10-6
	17	Colorado St.	20-7	0.6244	25	0.5756	Mwest	9-5
	18	Kansas St.	23-5	0.6222	52	0.5590	Big12	13-3
	19	Memphis	25-4	0.6220	72	0.5477	Cusa	14-0
	20	Ohio St.	21-7	0.6205	20	0.5803	Big10	11-5

	21	North Carolina	19-8	0.6198	14	0.5848	Acc	10-5
	22	Oklahoma	19-9	0.6169	6	0.5920	Big12	10-6
	23	Belmont	22-6	0.6154	88	0.5418	Ovc	13-2
	24	Middle Tenn. St.	27-4	0.6133	127	0.5179	Sbelt	19-1
	25	Oklahoma St.	22-6	0.6128	55	0.5572	Big12	12-4
	26	Wisconsin	20-8	0.6123	17	0.5842	Big10	11-4
	27	N.C. St.	20-8	0.6099	24	0.5760	Acc	9-6
	28	Colorado	19-9	0.6099	21	0.5787	Pac12	9-7
	29	Butler	21-7	0.6097	45	0.5629	Atl10	9-5
	30	Saint Louis	23-5	0.6095	70	0.5488	Atl10	12-2

	31	UCLA	22-7	0.6077	27	0.5741	Pac12	12-4
	32	VA Commonwealth	23-6	0.6075	63	0.5518	Atl10	11-3
	33	San Diego St.	18-8	0.6066	26	0.5743	Mwest	8-6
	34	Missouri	21-8	0.6054	53	0.5580	Sec	10-6
	35	Southern Miss	20-7	0.6047	92	0.5395	Cusa	11-3
	36	Illinois	20-9	0.6046	9	0.5891	Big10	8-8
	37	Creighton	24-7	0.6046	80	0.5455	Mvc	13-5
	38	St. Mary's	25-5	0.6012	114	0.5247	Wcc	14-2
	39	Connecticut	19-9	0.6002	16	0.5845	Bige	9-7
	40	Wichita St.	24-7	0.5996	94	0.5388	Mvc	12-6

	41	Temple	21-8	0.5980	46	0.5607	Atl10	9-5
	42	California	20-9	0.5979	34	0.5716	Pac12	12-5
	43	Boise St.	18-8	0.5976	64	0.5515	Mwest	8-6
	44	Pittsburgh	22-7	0.5972	56	0.5563	Bige	10-6
	45	La Salle	20-7	0.5961	89	0.5414	Atl10	10-4
	46	Akron	22-5	0.5946	138	0.5087	Midam	13-1
	47	Notre Dame	22-7	0.5945	73	0.5477	Bige	10-6
	48	Louisiana Tech	25-3	0.5922	206	0.4797	Wac	16-0
	49	Oregon	23-6	0.5905	104	0.5311	Pac12	12-4
	50	Cincinnati	20-9	0.5900	31	0.5730	Bige	8-8

	51	Kentucky	20-9	0.5849	58	0.5538	Sec	11-5
	52	Bucknell	24-5	0.5817	185	0.4872	Patr	12-2
	53	Iowa St.	19-10	0.5799	62	0.5520	Big12	9-7
	54	Massachusetts	18-9	0.5784	69	0.5489	Atl10	8-6
	55	Villanova	17-11	0.5762	38	0.5677	Bige	9-7
	56	Tennessee	17-11	0.5739	36	0.5692	Sec	9-7
	57	Virginia	20-8	0.5705	112	0.5254	Acc	10-5
	58	Detroit	18-11	0.5691	97	0.5366	Horiz	12-4
	59	Brigham Young	20-10	0.5681	95	0.5385	Wcc	10-6
	60	Mississippi	21-8	0.5681	132	0.5110	Sec	10-6

cockblocker · 03-04-13, 05:51 AM

Just like their name says, they will do Zip.

stevenash · 03-04-13, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by cockblocker

Just like their name says, they will do Zip.

You don't know this, this tourney will be the most wide open in the history of the tourney.
As a rule guard play and defense wins tourney games, and Akron has an elite shot blocker in the middle and two very smart guards in
Walsh and Abreu.

The two aforementioned gurards have better than a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio which is very solid. Overall Akron is in the upper 10 percent in the country in assists.

Having said that, Akron could get bounced in the first round, or could get to the sweet 16.
It's wide open, but to say they will do Zip, is well, ignorant, Indiana could get bounced on the opening weekend as well, wouldn't be the first (or last) time a 'big boy' didn't make it out of the first weekend, it's happened to Duke, Syracuse, UConn, etc. etc. etc. in the past.

Conversely, it wouldn't be the first time a mid major (like Butler) went to the final four.

But know this, when handicapping tourney games, you start with the guards. That's NCAA tourney 'capping 101, start with the guards and handicap down. Just like in baseball, start with pitchers, and handicap down.

Your welcome.

HOT WINGS · 03-04-13, 08:52 AM

So you think Akron has an at large bid locked up already? If they lose to Ohio in MAC tournament I would say its questionable honestly, but it would be good for the MAC. Would be first time since 99 (Wally world) that they get 2 schools in. I do like Akron's squad but I also like Ohio's and think they get revenge in MAC tourney for the 2 regular season losses. Ohio and DJ Cooper win like last year and go dancing. Just an opinion.

k13 · 03-04-13, 09:00 AM

There have been teams with better profiles and more wins who did not make it.

Like 30 win teams.

stevenash · 03-04-13, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by k13

There have been teams with better profiles and more wins who did not make it.

Like 30 win teams.

Name 3 30 win teams that did not get to the NCAA tournament? (that wasn't on suspension or banned)
No, name just one, win valuable prizes.

pavyracer · 03-04-13, 04:57 PM

Maybe win a game and that's a stretch. Refs always whistle for the big name teams.

k13 · 03-04-13, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

Name 3 30 win teams that did not get to the NCAA tournament? (that wasn't on suspension or banned)
No, name just one, win valuable prizes.

Drexel/Oral Roberts 27-6, finished with 29 wins.
Cleveland State 26-8
Coastal Carolina 28-6

Utah State was 25-3 and ranked in the top 25 and did not get in. I thought they were closer to 30 wins but anyway that's only 3 losses and ranked.

If Akron losses they will have 6 losses and similar to the teams that missed out. The comittee can be a bitch when they feel like it.

stevenash · 03-04-13, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by k13

Drexel/Oral Roberts 27-6, finished with 29 wins.
Cleveland State 26-8
Coastal Carolina 28-6

Utah State was 25-3 and ranked in the top 25 and did not get in. I thought they were closer to 30 wins but anyway that's only 3 losses and ranked.

If Akron losses they will have 6 losses and similar to the teams that missed out. The comittee can be a bitch when they feel like it.

But none of them won 30 games.

k13 · 03-04-13, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by stevenash

But none of them won 30 games.

Neither will Akron.

I only looked back the last few years.

stevenash · 03-04-13, 05:36 PM

You could look back, but I already did it.
No 30 win team has never been left out of the tournament.

HOT WINGS · 03-04-13, 06:23 PM

One year not long ago Akron had 26 wins and didnt make NIT.

k13 · 03-10-13, 08:52 PM

You still like Akron?

Dogs in the conference tourney, on their way out soon.

Middle Tennessee, 28 wins and probably out too...