does anyone feel soory for Seaweed? Where is his future?

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  • sweep
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 10-09-10
    • 16753

    #1
    does anyone feel soory for Seaweed? Where is his future?
  • Fidel_CashFlow
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 12-03-12
    • 53970

    #2
    Seaweed is most likely a very kind person in the real world
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    • onacloud
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 10-14-10
      • 5360

      #3
      Hopefully he goes back to where ever he came from and takes PhillyFlyers with him

      I remember his first thread was touting how he has had like 10 winning years in a row but then couldn't even make it thru the first month of the NBA without abandoning his thread http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-ta...over-66-a.html



      Now dropping a 10 unit bomb on a kick-off prop you have to be shitting me
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      • tto827
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 10-01-12
        • 9078

        #4
        Seaweed is spot on with that play onacloud. In domes this year the two kickers are well above 60% that it is a touchback, that covers the juice here.
        Something tells me the books know SF is going to defer if they win the toss, because Baltimore ALWAYS defers, yet is only -140 to kick off first. Looking at this season SF is 50/50 on defer/receive when they win the toss. So by my thinking Baltimore should be -300, since theoretically they would kick off 75% of the time.
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        • BIGDAY
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 02-17-10
          • 48245

          #5
          Originally posted by tto827
          Seaweed is spot on with that play onacloud. In domes this year the two kickers are well above 60% that it is a touchback, that covers the juice here.
          Something tells me the books know SF is going to defer if they win the toss, because Baltimore ALWAYS defers, yet is only -140 to kick off first. Looking at this season SF is 50/50 on defer/receive when they win the toss. So by my thinking Baltimore should be -300, since theoretically they would kick off 75% of the time.
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          • Louisvillekid1
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 10-17-07
            • 52143

            #6
            sharp post TTO
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            • VegasInsider
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-12-10
              • 14593

              #7
              Originally posted by tto827
              Seaweed is spot on with that play onacloud. In domes this year the two kickers are well above 60% that it is a touchback, that covers the juice here.
              Something tells me the books know SF is going to defer if they win the toss, because Baltimore ALWAYS defers, yet is only -140 to kick off first. Looking at this season SF is 50/50 on defer/receive when they win the toss. So by my thinking Baltimore should be -300, since theoretically they would kick off 75% of the time.
              Actually, the break even point for plays of -180 is about 65%

              You'll need to be more accurate with your percentages to figure out if it has break even potential or not.

              Big difference between 65% and "well above 60%"
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              • VegasInsider
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 12-12-10
                • 14593

                #8
                C'mon guys....DO THE MATH

                65 x $100 = $6,500

                35 x $180 = $6,300

                The break even point is just a oyster hair under 65%
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                • BIGDAY
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 02-17-10
                  • 48245

                  #9
                  It's +EV VI
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                  • onacloud
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 10-14-10
                    • 5360

                    #10
                    That -180 line is down to -155 right now... so I should go all-in right? +EV

                    How many times has a returner took the ball out of the end zone 5 yards deep only to get tackled inside the 15? I know you guys see this every Sunday now in the Super Bowl every one wants to make the big play especially to start the game off

                    I just think its a dumb bet but if its free money go grab that -155
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                    • VegasInsider
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 12-12-10
                      • 14593

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BIGDAY
                      It's +EV VI
                      What evidence shows it's +EV??

                      I'm a math guy and if the numbers don't add up, then they don't add up.

                      I agree it SHOULD hit, but I'm not playing anything that I have to hit 65% to break even.
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                      • tto827
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 10-01-12
                        • 9078

                        #12
                        Originally posted by VegasInsider
                        C'mon guys....DO THE MATH

                        65 x $100 = $6,500

                        35 x $180 = $6,300

                        The break even point is just a oyster hair under 65%
                        I didn't look it up, I'll admit that, but I've got a very trusted prop source who hammered the -180 on less than 4.5 returns and moved it to the -215 it now stands at. His research backed that up, and I'll trust it. Now if you want to go find out the exact percentages, I'll be willing to bet you it's above 70% of kickoffs by those two in domes that are not returned.
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                        • TheCentaur
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 06-28-11
                          • 8108

                          #13
                          Seaweed seems all nice and innocent in his threads.

                          Then he gets you alone in a poker room and becomes a raging bull queer. Stay away, unless you like that
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                          • VegasInsider
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-12-10
                            • 14593

                            #14
                            Originally posted by onacloud
                            That -180 line is down to -155 right now... so I should go all-in right? +EV

                            How many times has a returner took the ball out of the end zone 5 yards deep only to get tackled inside the 15? I know you guys see this every Sunday now in the Super Bowl every one wants to make the big play especially to start the game off

                            I just think its a dumb bet but if its free money go grab that -155
                            I think it's +EV at -155, because the season statistics for touchbacks in a dome show that percentage of touchbacks is higher than the break even point.

                            It's simple math.
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                            • VegasInsider
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-12-10
                              • 14593

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tto827
                              I didn't look it up, I'll admit that, but I've got a very trusted prop source who hammered the -180 on less than 4.5 returns and moved it to the -215 it now stands at. His research backed that up, and I'll trust it. Now if you want to go find out the exact percentages, I'll be willing to bet you it's above 70% of kickoffs by those two in domes that are not returned.
                              I'd be curious to see it myself. I would make the play at -155 solely because the break even point is significantly lower.
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                              • tto827
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 10-01-12
                                • 9078

                                #16
                                Originally posted by VegasInsider
                                I'd be curious to see it myself. I would make the play at -155 solely because the break even point is significantly lower.
                                Good thing we didn't bet it lol, as you'll see in the other thread these two only had touchbacks 55% of the time in domes this year.
                                Tucker 4/5, Akers 2/10 in the reg season, and 5/5 last week.
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                                • VegasInsider
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 12-12-10
                                  • 14593

                                  #17
                                  Oh wow, odds now need to be -120ish

                                  No value at all in terms of math

                                  Thanks for the info. I hope it wins anyways for these guys
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                                  • Colts03
                                    SBR Hustler
                                    • 12-12-12
                                    • 67

                                    #18
                                    seaweed is good people
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                                    • sweep
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-09-10
                                      • 16753

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Colts03
                                      seaweed is good people
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                                      • Kermit
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 09-27-10
                                        • 32555

                                        #20
                                        Seaweed is a solid guy.
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                                        • Seaweed
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 01-19-12
                                          • 26318

                                          #21
                                          sweeper just jealous cause i outlasted him in poker today

                                          sweeperwhere is my future?

                                          sweeper we're living in the future

                                          think about it
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                                          • Seaweed
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 01-19-12
                                            • 26318

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                            Seaweed seems all nice and innocent in his threads.

                                            Then he gets you alone in a poker room and becomes a raging bull queer. Stay away, unless you like that
                                            You're too easy to throw off your game, it's all mind games, think about it
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                                            • sweep
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 10-09-10
                                              • 16753

                                              #23
                                              Pissed away a 3-1 chip lead to bring it up the rear in 12th HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
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                                              • Seaweed
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 01-19-12
                                                • 26318

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by sweep
                                                Pissed away a 3-1 chip lead to bring it up the rear in 12th HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

                                                Sweeper, i thought i would fold to top 5 but the blinds and Antes got me. What place did you finish again? Oh right, you got a participant ribbon
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                                                • Russian Rocket
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 09-02-12
                                                  • 43910

                                                  #25
                                                  I was under impression that Seaweed was a good peoples
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                                                  • sweep
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 10-09-10
                                                    • 16753

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Seaweed
                                                    Sweeper, i thought i would fold to top 5 but the blinds and Antes got me. What place did you finish again? Oh right, you got a participant ribbon
                                                    Weeder- Do me a solid and shine my badges while you're here, while you're at it dust off the old leg lamp for me...Its been 2 months since I was crowned top poster in all of forumville. Thanks guy
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                                                    • ttwarrior1
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 06-23-09
                                                      • 28462

                                                      #27
                                                      he could shack up with moyal
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                                                      • Seaweed
                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                        • 01-19-12
                                                        • 26318

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by sweep
                                                        Weeder- Do me a solid and shine my badges while you're here, while you're at it dust off the old leg lamp for me...Its been 2 months since I was crowned top poster in all of forumville. Thanks guy
                                                        Sweeper, i got nothing to say you just buried me.
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                                                        • Seaweed
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 01-19-12
                                                          • 26318

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                                                          he could shack up with moyal
                                                          Don't talk with your mouth full
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                                                          • sweep
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 10-09-10
                                                            • 16753

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Seaweed
                                                            Don't talk with your mouth full
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                                                            • innovation
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 01-27-12
                                                              • 6218

                                                              #31
                                                              I feel sorry for the kids that get on Seaweeds computer when it's unattended.




                                                              Some of those porn images will haunt them for ever.
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                                                              • GUMMO77
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 08-23-10
                                                                • 9294

                                                                #32
                                                                Seaweed's future, I hope, lands in my beautifully sculpted arms.

                                                                Dreamers can dream .. eh?
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                                                                • ttwarrior1
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 06-23-09
                                                                  • 28462

                                                                  #33
                                                                  handicapping contest , moyal vs seaweed, id be all in on moyal

                                                                  this is your chance moyal and ill back you
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                                                                  • Russian Rocket
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 09-02-12
                                                                    • 43910

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                                                                    handicapping contest , moyal vs seaweed, id be all in on moyal

                                                                    this is your chance moyal and ill back you
                                                                    thanks for stopping by
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                                                                    • sweep
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 10-09-10
                                                                      • 16753

                                                                      #35
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