Questions for US residents / citizens who play @ offshore bookies that steal their $

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 10:10 AM

don'tknowhow, believe me i went through the process of getting a foreign passport and it's nowhere near as easy as you think.

for example, my foreign passport is from one country, since that's where my great-grandparents are from, but my wife can't get a passport from there because she has no blood relatives from that country and we are both 3rd generation americans. so she has to go through an entirely different process. then the kids have to go through the same nonsense.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 10:11 AM

everything you say about the uk, i could just drive 5 hours to canada and accomplish the same thing (except for books that don't allow canadian residents)...

**darrell74** · 12-19-12, 10:12 AM

Great Britain sounds awesome.
Would love to move there.

Of course, I don't think I'd get along. I do sound like an American when I speak.
A lot of bigotry towards Americans, from what I hear, internationally.
Kind of afraid to leave the states due to the animosity our leaders create.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

everything you say about the uk, i could just drive 5 hours to canada and accomplish the same thing (except for books that don't allow canadian residents)...

Okay, so why not do it?

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by darrell74

Great Britain sounds awesome.
Would love to move there.

Of course, I don't think I'd get along. I do sound like an American when I speak.
A lot of bigotry towards Americans, from what I hear, internationally.
Kind of afraid to leave the states due to the animosity our leaders create.

No one cares about the accent, you can find a British bird and ask her for her numba

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

don'tknowhow, believe me i went through the process of getting a foreign passport and it's nowhere near as easy as you think.

for example, my foreign passport is from one country, since that's where my great-grandparents are from, but my wife can't get a passport from there because she has no blood relatives from that country and we are both 3rd generation americans. so she has to go through an entirely different process. then the kids have to go through the same nonsense.

Sometimes it could have hassles, it depends on the documents required and how easy it is to get them, but if it's easy then it's very simple to get a 2nd Passport.

**milwaukee mike** · 12-19-12, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

Okay, so why not do it?

who says i haven't?

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

who says i haven't?

haha

**Frogger** · 12-19-12, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

It's not!
I did it to place a bet of £15,000 on Obama to win £6,000 and it was worth it, every penny spent!

You're a jew and a liberal? No one could have guessed that one! [heavy sarcasm]

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Frogger

You're a jew and a liberal? No one could have guessed that one! [heavy sarcasm]

I'm not liberal nor have any political opinion, I was just betting on the right guy hahaha.

**Frogger** · 12-19-12, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

I'm not liberal nor have any political opinion, I was just betting on the right guy hahaha.

You recently changed your icon from a reference saying Romney and FRAUD written over it. I only responded to your obvious political overtures.

Your idea does have merit but I still think its overly dangerous for anyone with an American passport.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Frogger

You recently changed your icon from a reference saying Romney and FRAUD written over it. I only responded to your obvious political overtures.

Your idea does have merit but I still think its overly dangerous for anyone with an American passport.

Romeny is fraud, he stole money from the American taxpayers when GM got bailed out ... I don't like him and I don't think he would have done better .... for me it's better to get Ron Paul but between Obama and Romney I would choose Obama coz Romney is a liar and when he was a governor of Mass he messed up that state of Mass (messed up Mass).

**Frogger** · 12-19-12, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

Romeny is fraud, he stole money from the American taxpayers when GM got bailed out ... I don't like him and I don't think he would have done better .... for me it's better to get Ron Paul but between Obama and Romney I would choose Obama coz Romney is a liar and when he was a governor of Mass he messed up that state of Mass (messed up Mass).

Agreed about Romney that he was a worthless. Obama isn't much better and a liar in his own way as all politicians are. Flip-flops (gay marriage) whenever he thinks one side or another will help him out.

Ron Paul would have been the far and away best choice for our country. At least we agree on that one.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-19-12, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Frogger

Ron Paul would have been the far and away best choice for our country. At least we agree on that one.

Yes sir.
In my FB page the only one I "liked" is Ron Paul ... I don't like Obama but he's better than the flip flopper and Ron Paul was not an option unfortunately, I did my best to fight online and on the web for him but nothing helped.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-20-12, 12:26 AM

I am begging you stop playing @ offshore books (unless it's Pinny or very solid one) --> I have read the statement and see that BetIslands is not working anymore ... wow ....

Please put the effort so if you want to bet you can do it easily from the comfort of your home using a UK or Canadian bank account.

**neverstoppers23** · 12-21-12, 12:42 AM

do they have special rules for Israeli, in the uk, canada whatever, because some countries will not allow you entry into their country if you have an iserali stamp or obviously passport? from what i have read its alot harder for a u.s citizen to do this.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-21-12, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by neverstoppers23

do they have special rules for Israeli, in the uk, canada whatever, because some countries will not allow you entry into their country if you have an iserali stamp or obviously passport? from what i have read its alot harder for a u.s citizen to do this.

Who is they? immigration?
You come as a tourist for a week, no one cares what you do in the UK if you are not suspicious ...
If you don't give them a reason to suspect you when you come to the UK you would be allowed through ... before I issued my EU Passport I had to enter under the Israeli one, they asked me questions, I answered them, and got quickly into the UK ... it's not a big deal.
(I've just issued my EU Passport coz I wanted to live there ... coz of my stupid fuking ex bish .... but at least the good thing that came out of it is that I took care of issuing myself an EU Passport)

**billysink** · 12-21-12, 12:58 AM

I would be extremely careful with this suggestion. The Alderney Commission is investigating and auditing Pinnacle's newly licensed Pinnacle Sports Europe for this very thing under fears that it too is handling out of territory action from agents and high volume bettors abroad.

Don't assume you can stay one step ahead of the shoeshine and two steps away from the county line in this business.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-21-12, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by billysink

I would be extremely careful with this suggestion. The Alderney Commission is investigating and auditing Pinnacle's newly licensed Pinnacle Sports Europe for this very thing under fears that it too is handling out of territory action from agents and high volume bettors abroad.

Don't assume you can stay one step ahead of the shoeshine and two steps away from the county line in this business.

Sir,

I can bet @ BetFair as well ... and they would never know where I'm from, I've done it a few days ago, I can do it again.
I am not limited to any book in the UK or Europe, I even use bWin.com and get my withdrawals within 24-48 hours!

You just need to be verified with a proof of address, use a UK proxy (Astrill.com) and a UK phone number that redirects your call (DidLogic.com), that's it - the rest is easy.

**19th Hole** · 12-21-12, 02:59 AM

don'tknowhowto...
You offer those who are interested an excellent avenue to
pursue... Setting up betting options they would not normally take advantage of...
Thank you for sharing your gameplan.

At the present time I am very happy dealing with my local of many years.
Payday is every Thursday like the clockwork of Big Ben. If I am traveling then payment is received through Paypal. Easy-peasy.
Offshores available to U.S. citizens are more trouble than they are worth. IMHO

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-21-12, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by 19th Hole

don'tknowhowto...
You offer those who are interested an excellent avenue to
pursue... Setting up betting options they would not normally take advantage of...
Thank you for sharing your gameplan.

Sure, no problems.
Glad to help.

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-22-12, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by 19th Hole

Offshores available to U.S. citizens are more trouble than they are worth. IMHO

It's so sad to see so many people here upset about BetIslands ...
I mean, why not encourage people to do as I did ?
Europe is working very simple - you prove your ID and Address once - then you're good to go permanently, few are the places that keep on checking you, but as I said you have a UK address, phone number, proving it all ... they can't just throw your account out, it's impossible !

I even managed to open a 2nd account @ Bet365 (coz they limited me to £5 max a bet) but I emailed them to apologise as I felt bad about it ... if I wanted I would have used that account ... I mean their system is not god (the lord), it's easy to pass it ... not trying to encourage fraud here ... it's just very easy to have a UK proof of address and a phone number and if that's what the system is asking for - then simply feed the system with it, and then you won't need to deal with shittty bookmakers who steal $$$ from people ...

I personally would have never ever dreamt to deal with BetIslands ... the max I did was testing 5Dimes but when they gave me the BS that I need to play more than 2 times what I deposited (and for the winning and not for the risking amount) I told them I want to self-exclude my account, closed it for good and never ever dealt with them ... I like it the European style and this is where I play, and I'm happy about it, and I AM NOT in the UK now, yup.

**lunchbawks** · 12-22-12, 01:55 PM

not sure why anyone plays at small books

5dimes and pinnacle are good enough for anyone

**darkhat** · 12-22-12, 02:02 PM

not sure why you would play at any of the places listed if you have an account at 7redsports

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-22-12, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by lunchbawks

not sure why anyone plays at small books

5dimes and pinnacle are good enough for anyone

I play at Pinnacle using my UK details ...

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-22-12, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by darkhat

not sure why you would play at any of the places listed if you have an account at 7redsports

What is 7redsports? lol never heard of this site before ... is this another "good" place for people from the US to play at instead of playing the real solid European books incl. BetFair and Pinnacle which will never limit you??

**darkhat** · 12-22-12, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

What is 7redsports? lol never heard of this site before ... is this another "good" place for people from the US to play at instead of playing the real solid European books incl. BetFair and Pinnacle which will never limit you??

it is an old school book

lightning fast deposits

use to be invite only i think but i got lucky to get an account there

they offer same day deposits and bonuses

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-22-12, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by darkhat

lightning fast deposits

What about fast withdrawals?
Why are you feeling "lucky" to have an account there?

I have accounts at Bet365, BetFair, William Hill, bWin, MarathonBet, Pinnacle - that's what I call feeling lucky .... please think outside of the box, there are TONS of other books out there which allow you to bet with FAST WITHDRAWALS (AND DEPOSITS)

**Lo$t** · 12-22-12, 02:42 PM

**hels** · 12-22-12, 02:45 PM

**dontknowhowtobet** · 12-22-12, 02:50 PM

**darkhat** · 12-22-12, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

What about fast withdrawals?
Why are you feeling "lucky" to have an account there?

I have accounts at Bet365, BetFair, William Hill, bWin, MarathonBet, Pinnacle - that's what I call feeling lucky .... please think outside of the box, there are TONS of other books out there which allow you to bet with FAST WITHDRAWALS (AND DEPOSITS)

7redsports is considered by industry leaders to be the new pinnacle

faster deposits than anywhere and big bonuses

they now have the top clerk in the offshore world

ryan/shawn.dereck/rupert/fred will take care of your needs regardless of his name

**Riceboi** · 12-23-12, 05:51 PM

i'd rather just move to nevada.

**RonPaul2008** · 12-23-12, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by darkhat

7redsports is considered by industry leaders to be the new pinnacle

faster deposits than anywhere and big bonuses

they now have the top clerk in the offshore world

ryan/shawn.dereck/rupert/fred will take care of your needs regardless of his name

7RedSports IS BetIslands. Why are you posting this garbage?

**gangeriver** · 12-23-12, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by dontknowhowtobet

1) Why are you going to shitty places like BetIsland (or BetIslands) not sure which site is it?
2) If you can afford having $40,000 in an offshore account why not spend $700 on a nice flight to London, open a UK Bank account, set up mailing address for £60 a year, get bank statements there (serve as proof of address) and open accounts in normal bookmakers all across Europe, the UK and the world ???

I'm asking you seriously, I am not in the UK now, yet I'm able to play at any bookie that I want.
I have a UK card (Halifax Clarity) which I can use to withdraw funds with NO FEES and NO shitty EXCHANGE rates, I can literally get $1.6230 for every £1.00 if I would use this card to take out $$$ from the ATM ....

This is all thanks to the UK.
So I'm asking you seriously why don't you do the same as me?

I want some comments on this, please!!!

opening a bank account is not so easy in UK IMO. If you are an arab sheik having oil wells you welcome even you can get citizenship....but if a normal person wants to open an bank account once he/she shoud prove his/her UK adress....I mean if you are just a tourist opening bank account might be tough. Already if you ask a payout from book you need to send adress documents.
So you have you need to rent an apart... living in UK (especially in London) is not cheap...more expensive than most USA cities and and euro countries.
By the way one of my friend went to UK who joined a short term non paid internship program and could not open an bank account.