Somebody Care to tell me How WVU is a favorite over KSU?

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  • MoneyLineDawg
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 01-01-09
    • 13253

    #36
    Sorry, Kansas State just doesn't pass the eye test for me.....They are a very good team with great coaching that gets the most out of them, but certainly not in elite company

    They would get smoked by Bama, Florida, LSU, South Carolina, and Georgia.....the athletes on the field are on a whole different level

    They are more in line with a Mississippi State type team staying in the SEC for comparison

    West Virginia at home will be tough.....I like Colin Klein alot but don't see them stopping Geno Smith and company either
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    • Romocide
      SBR MVP
      • 09-14-11
      • 1404

      #37
      Originally posted by MoneyLineDawg
      Sorry, Kansas State just doesn't pass the eye test for me.....They are a very good team with great coaching that gets the most out of them, but certainly not in elite company

      They would get smoked by Bama, Florida, LSU, South Carolina, and Georgia.....the athletes on the field are on a whole different level

      They are more in line with a Mississippi State type team staying in the SEC for comparison

      West Virginia at home will be tough.....I like Colin Klein alot but don't see them stopping Geno Smith and company either
      KSU is just as good or better than 4 of those 5 teams.
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      • MoneyLineDawg
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 01-01-09
        • 13253

        #38
        Originally posted by Romocide
        KSU is just as good or better than 4 of those 5 teams.
        Would they come out of Death Valley with a win? The swamp? Georgia or South Carolina?

        Hell no.....

        Would be a good game at Kstate maybe

        The athletes on defense for these 4 teams blow out Kstates athletes by alot....
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        • billysink
          Restricted User
          • 03-29-09
          • 5172

          #39
          The one thing the West Virginia defense can do well and probably the only thing, is stop the run. K. State is going to have to open it up a lot more than their on average 20 pass attempts per game just to keep up. West Virginia can and will score on anyone. You are not going to beat West Virginia in their own yard with 45-50 rush attempts. Not a fukkin chance.

          They can grind it out on the ground for a win against a lot of teams at their own building but I don't think so here.

          Now if the game were in Manhattan that would be a different story. The ground and pound at home always is.
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          • hougigo
            SBR MVP
            • 06-01-12
            • 3665

            #40
            Originally posted by billysink
            The one thing the West Virginia defense can do well and probably the only thing, is stop the run. K. State is going to have to open it up a lot more than their on average 20 pass attempts per game just to keep up. West Virginia can and will score on anyone. You are not going to beat West Virginia in their own yard with 45-50 rush attempts. Not a fukkin chance.

            They can grind it out on the ground for a win against a lot of teams at their own building but I don't think so here.

            Now if the game were in Manhattan that would be a different story. The ground and pound at home always is.
            Isn't texas tech anyone?
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            • billysink
              Restricted User
              • 03-29-09
              • 5172

              #41
              Originally posted by hougigo
              Isn't texas tech anyone?
              No they are probably the third best defence in college ball. K State no where close.
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              • 3irish13
                SBR Rookie
                • 02-11-11
                • 32

                #42
                Billy what are you smoking on they are not the third best d in college ball.
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                • Sunde91
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 11-26-09
                  • 8325

                  #43
                  fairest and truest line of the season
                  shrug at you
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                  • NYSportsGuy210
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 11-07-09
                    • 11347

                    #44
                    Basically in this game I can see many things happening:

                    (1) Collin Klein may not be able to run out of the shotgun position as well as he usually does because the WVU front four is big in size and can penetrate KSU's O-line. So basically Collin Klein will have to rely more on his arm and passing than he normally would.

                    (2) That being said KSU can and should be able to run the ball on the WVU front seven. KSU's running backs are shifty and can cause match up problems catching passes out of the backfield too for WVU. If WVU loads up the box to stop the run then KSU's passing game can easily light up WVU's secondary.

                    Why?

                    Because K-State passes are always times slant patterns and quick step passes that rely on speed and timing as well as in WR's finding open spaces. I believe KSU'S wideout core will be able to execute this effectively in this game. WVU's defense is more built on handling teams with a more traditional passing game (ie -normal routs. plays take time to develop...etc.). This works to K-State's advantage tremendously.

                    Conclusion: K-State's offense should be able to put points on the board through the air because of their precise and times passing routes and have 80-90 rushing yards on the ground against WVU's front four or five.

                    Defensively, K-State's front seven are extremely good at persuing the run and can penentrate defensively on blitzes. They should be effective in limiting WVU's run game. Now through the air, many question K-State's ability to defend the pass. Truth be told K-States secondary cannot handle quick slants and timing passes on precise routes well. But against a more traditional pass type of offense that WVU displays they can handle and limit Geno Smith to something like 310 yards and 2-3 TD's.

                    Overall K-State defensively can limit WVU to 24-30 points while putting up 34-42 of their own as long as Collin Klein can hit his receivers in stride like he did against Miami University.


                    Smart Pick Here is: K-State (+7.5)
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                    • Inkwell77
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-03-11
                      • 3227

                      #45
                      Don't bet a side here. Hella unpredictable WV squad. K State will be decent, but WV has more talent and could easily win or easily get blown out. K State or nothing, but I dig nothing.
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                      • slim dog
                        SBR High Roller
                        • 08-29-10
                        • 236

                        #46
                        Originally posted by billysink
                        The one thing the West Virginia defense can do well and probably the only thing, is stop the run. K. State is going to have to open it up a lot more than their on average 20 pass attempts per game just to keep up. West Virginia can and will score on anyone. You are not going to beat West Virginia in their own yard with 45-50 rush attempts. Not a fukkin chance.

                        They can grind it out on the ground for a win against a lot of teams at their own building but I don't think so here.

                        Now if the game were in Manhattan that would be a different story. The ground and pound at home always is.
                        Lol. I stopped reading after your 1st sentence. Don't you think every team has said that we have to make them pass and we must stop the run? Look, this isn't the OU defense that KSU is playing. WV will be playing on of the most efficient offenses in the nation. WV pass defense is one of the worst pass defenses in the nation and you want to load the box? Good luck with that! WV rushing stats look good because everyone can pass all day on them.
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                        • k13
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 07-16-10
                          • 18104

                          #47
                          HFA is huge in CFB.

                          Plus all these "undefeated" teams are overrated except the SEC.

                          KSU a national title contender....that's laughable.
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                          • DarkNite
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 10-12-09
                            • 5023

                            #48
                            I take KSU +
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                            • BRUTUSB33FCAKE
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 08-17-12
                              • 565

                              #49
                              Originally posted by Brock Landers
                              WVU is a really good team, They are at home. Its obvious guy
                              Kansas State it is, thanks as always you mush!
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                              • LT Profits
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 10-27-06
                                • 90963

                                #50
                                OK I made it official. Kansas State +3 -113 at Heritage. Send it home Jerome!
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                                • BettingWizard
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 11-28-09
                                  • 6522

                                  #51
                                  wvu @ home


                                  ksu is gonna lose eventually
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                                  • CanuckG
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 12-23-10
                                    • 21978

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by NYSportsGuy210
                                    Basically in this game I can see many things happening:

                                    (1) Collin Klein may not be able to run out of the shotgun position as well as he usually does because the WVU front four is big in size and can penetrate KSU's O-line. So basically Collin Klein will have to rely more on his arm and passing than he normally would.

                                    (2) That being said KSU can and should be able to run the ball on the WVU front seven. KSU's running backs are shifty and can cause match up problems catching passes out of the backfield too for WVU. If WVU loads up the box to stop the run then KSU's passing game can easily light up WVU's secondary.

                                    Why?

                                    Because K-State passes are always times slant patterns and quick step passes that rely on speed and timing as well as in WR's finding open spaces. I believe KSU'S wideout core will be able to execute this effectively in this game. WVU's defense is more built on handling teams with a more traditional passing game (ie -normal routs. plays take time to develop...etc.). This works to K-State's advantage tremendously.

                                    Conclusion: K-State's offense should be able to put points on the board through the air because of their precise and times passing routes and have 80-90 rushing yards on the ground against WVU's front four or five.

                                    Defensively, K-State's front seven are extremely good at persuing the run and can penentrate defensively on blitzes. They should be effective in limiting WVU's run game. Now through the air, many question K-State's ability to defend the pass. Truth be told K-States secondary cannot handle quick slants and timing passes on precise routes well. But against a more traditional pass type of offense that WVU displays they can handle and limit Geno Smith to something like 310 yards and 2-3 TD's.

                                    Overall K-State defensively can limit WVU to 24-30 points while putting up 34-42 of their own as long as Collin Klein can hit his receivers in stride like he did against Miami University.


                                    Smart Pick Here is: K-State (+7.5)
                                    K State +7.5?
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                                    • CanuckG
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 12-23-10
                                      • 21978

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by LT Profits
                                      OK I made it official. Kansas State +3 -113 at Heritage. Send it home Jerome!
                                      -113 juiced up
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                                      • MTek
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-18-08
                                        • 1381

                                        #54
                                        Plus all these "undefeated" teams are overrated except the SEC.

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                                        • LT Profits
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 10-27-06
                                          • 90963

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by CanuckG
                                          -113 juiced up
                                          Not much. It is 3 -115 at most places, might go to 2.5 game day
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                                          • CanuckG
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 12-23-10
                                            • 21978

                                            #56
                                            Take ML instead if you really K. State
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                                            • LT Profits
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 10-27-06
                                              • 90963

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by k13
                                              =Plus all these "undefeated" teams are overrated except the SEC.
                                              All TWO of them. You are right though about Bama and Fla being legit. And while I also agree that K-State is not in the same class as those two schools, they are still TONS better than West Virginia, which is all that matters as far as this game goes.
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                                              • LT Profits
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 10-27-06
                                                • 90963

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by CanuckG
                                                Take ML instead if you really K. State
                                                Not according to the half-point calculator. K-State is only +125
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                                                • NYSportsGuy210
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 11-07-09
                                                  • 11347

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by CanuckG
                                                  K State +7.5?
                                                  Sorry I meant it to be part of a teaser. At just +3 there are better plays on the board.
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                                                  • billysink
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 03-29-09
                                                    • 5172

                                                    #60
                                                    Many better games on the board.
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                                                    • turbozed
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 10-15-08
                                                      • 2435

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by billysink
                                                      Many better games on the board.
                                                      Yeah I've found out that my winning % is a lot better on shitty games than marquee games. They're just too hard to avoid when you're both a degen and a fan of college football. Like last week I was able to avoid putting a bet on LSU/Scar until the very last moment. I end up losing by the hook. Even if I had won, that game was a coinflip at an accurate line. Those games are losers in the long run even at -105 juice.
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                                                      • Sunde91
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 11-26-09
                                                        • 8325

                                                        #62
                                                        KSU not a title contender? What kind of joke is that. They are 4th and will be there guaranteed if win out. The win @OK is the most impressive win of the year so far.

                                                        The remaining schedule is difficult but they are well in place.
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                                                        • cutchemist42
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 04-08-12
                                                          • 737

                                                          #63
                                                          This line is based on the public still being in love with WVU despite getting exposed. Take your money on KST and let the fools depart with their money.....
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                                                          • dice
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 11-28-09
                                                            • 669

                                                            #64
                                                            After getting destroyed by Texas Tech, who doesn't think West Virginia will come out ready to play?
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                                                            • LT Profits
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 10-27-06
                                                              • 90963

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by dice
                                                              After getting destroyed by Texas Tech, who doesn't think West Virginia will come out ready to play?
                                                              They can be ready all they want, their defense can't stop a head cold.
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                                                              • Louisvillekid1
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 10-17-07
                                                                • 52143

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by dice
                                                                After getting destroyed by Texas Tech, who doesn't think West Virginia will come out ready to play?
                                                                Sure I think they will be ready to play, but it just won't be enough...
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                                                                • CanuckG
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 12-23-10
                                                                  • 21978

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Geno Smith huge game

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                                                                  • LT Profits
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 10-27-06
                                                                    • 90963

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by CanuckG
                                                                    Geno Smith huge game

                                                                    But it won't be enough.
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                                                                    • yahoonino
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 08-10-07
                                                                      • 2651

                                                                      #69
                                                                      this game ,will go over,,,,,,,
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                                                                      • Sunde91
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 11-26-09
                                                                        • 8325

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Still say it was a fair line but nice call so far. Would love to see KSU win NC or Klein win Heisman and this is the biggest hurdle left for them
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