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  • Hareeba!
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 07-01-06
    • 37300

    #1
    SHAME FILE: Gamebookers & IBAS
    The following story should serve to alert tennis punters to Gamebookers’ unique method of settling sets bets when a match is not completed and to demonstrate just how independent IBAS (Britain’s Independent Betting Arbitration Service) is when adjudicating on disputed bets.

    Back on 28th February this year I placed a bet on Juan Monaco to defeat Juan Igancio Chela in straight sets (2-0) at Acapulco. Unfortunately after winning the first set, Monaco lost the second in a tie-break and then retired injured in the third set.

    Based upon every prior experience betting on sets outcomes with numerous betting agencies I expected the market to be declared void and stakes returned.

    Gamebookers however didn’t return my stake and upon requesting they do so I was informed that they had correctly settled the bet as a loss under their Rule 5.8 which states: “Bets which are at the time of suspension already decided as winning or losing (e.g. half time, periods, half time/full time, first team to score, first set) shall be settled regardless of the time of suspension or resumption.”

    I pointed out that Rule 5.7 rather than Rule 5.8 was the relevant Rule in the circumstances: “… In the event of a participant withdrawing after the start of a tennis match, all respective bets are deemed void.” And that Rule 5.8 commences with the words: “The following provisions apply to suspended or postponed events:” and the match in question was neither suspended nor postponed.

    However I was unable to convince them that they were wrong so elected to refer the matter to IBAS expecting commonsense to prevail.

    Alas to my astonishment IBAS ruled that Gamebookers had correctly settled the bet as lost but did say that there appeared to be an inconsistency in their rules but that as Monaco had already lost the second set before he retired he could not have won in straight sets and therefore I should lose my stake.

    Although I can see some raw logic in that latter argument it delivers a very unfair advantage to the bookmaker in that he won’t be paying any punters on the result but collecting the stakes of some punters as the result he is recognising is not one which was offered to punters, i.e. the only results on offer to sets bettors were 2-0, 2-1,1-2, 0-2 in a completed match. Those punters backing Chela 2-1 won’t be paid as he didn’t complete the task.

    In my experience and to the best of my knowledge no other betting agency in the world adopts Gamebookers’ policy on unfinished sets.

    Following are the full text of Gamebookers’ Rules 5.7 and 5.8.

    5.7. In the event of a participant withdrawing after the start of an event in all sports but tennis, all related stakes will be lost. In the event of a participant withdrawing after the start of a tennis match, all respective bets are deemed void. If a participant withdraws before the start of the event (including official trials) the respective bets are deemed void. Stakes on bets that forecast the winner of a golf tournament are refunded if the player does not tee off. Stakes on bets that forecast the winner of a championship, tournament or ante-post race for all other sports are lost if the player/team cannot participate or finish.
    5.8. The following provisions apply to suspended or postponed events:
    • American Football: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed within the same 'American Football Week' (Monday - Sunday inclusive (PAC Time));
    • Baseball: Bets on Run Line and Under/Over are void unless the game goes to 9 innings (8 1/2 if the home team is ahead). The other bets are void unless the game is resumed and completed on the same day OR at least 5 innings of play have been completed (winners and losers for betting are then determined by the score after the last full inning);
    • Basketball: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed on the same day;
    • Boxing: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed within 14 days;
    • Formula1: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed within 3 days;
    • Handball: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed within 2 days;
    • Ice Hockey: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed on the same day;
    • Rugby: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed within the same 'Rugby Week' (Monday - Sunday inclusive (UK Time))
    • Skiing: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed within 3 days;
    • Soccer: Bets are void unless the game is resumed and completed within 2 days OR at least 80 minutes of play have been completed (winners and losers for betting are then determined by the score at the time of suspension);
    • Tennis: Bets are void unless the game is re-arranged or resumed and completed within 3 days.
    Bets which are at the time of suspension already decided as winning or losing (e.g. half time, periods, half time/full time, first team to score, first set) shall be settled regardless of the time of suspension or resumption

    What’s your decision?

    Has anyone else suffered this action by Gamebookers (or any other betting agency)?

    Has anyone else had experience of referring a dispute to IBAS?

    I urge any punters who have had sets bets deemed lost in this way to request Gamebookers to return their stake and to cease betting sets with them until such time as they agree to abide by their published rules.
  • diamond
    SBR MVP
    • 02-09-06
    • 3636

    #2
    Hi Hareeba,

    First welcome to the forum, but sorry to hear about your experience.

    Based on what you are writing, I am not surprised. Gamebookers is all in all not a really bad sportsbook, but too often fail in their service department (plus low stakes and alot of the odds are just copied).

    I remember when this rule about voiding bets if a player retired during the match came into force. If I am not mistaken, it was after a match between Labadze and a guy from Holland where the odds just sunk like a stone on the Dutch man before the match. At that time, not many sportsbooks had this rule, but some actully had 1 set played for result to count. So what Labadze did, since all action was on him to loose, he retired after the first game in 2nd set. By doing this, all bets against him was ok, and the sportsbook suffered heavy losses. After this incident and some remarks by the ATP, a lot of sportsbook used the rule with voiding bets if a player retires.

    Even if IBAS should know their stuff, I think this is just showing their lack of understanding for logical sense and the rule that applies for tennis. Its like their riding a paragraph to find a way to make the player a looser.

    In my opinion there is no way GB should look on that other rule. In that case they can just use it whenever they want and the player is pretty much chanceless. And yes, if they really used that one, they should have payed those who bet 2-1 in sets. Instead they are taking it all.

    Based on what you are writing, I totally disagree with Gamebookers, and its quite annoying to see how IBAS is dealing with your case.

    Maybe SBR can help you here..
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    • diamond
      SBR MVP
      • 02-09-06
      • 3636

      #3
      But your case its really a diffficult one. Even though the other rule state "first set", it doesnt really say something about set betting.
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      • bigboydan
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 08-10-05
        • 55420

        #4
        first off, welcome to the sbrforum Hareeba!

        sorry to hear about your troubles with this one bud. if you need some help with this matter, please send an email to: Assistance@SportsbookReview.com
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        • natrass
          SBR MVP
          • 09-14-05
          • 1242

          #5
          Gamebookers have a nasty history of stunts like this.
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          • Hareeba!
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 07-01-06
            • 37300

            #6
            Thanks for the welcomes guys.

            I have long given up hope of being paid on this bet but I really would like to see Gamebookers change their policy on it as I would like to keep using them for sets betting but until they do they are off my visiting list and if I can persuade a few more of their customers to seek clarification of their rule or chase up refunds if they too have suffered we might have a chance of getting them to do so.
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            • Doug
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-10-05
              • 6324

              #7
              bump
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              • Hareeba!
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 07-01-06
                • 37300

                #8
                Well well well ... IBAS have redeemed themselves .. though I've yet to receive their official notification but this email just received from Gamebookers is a triumph for Justice and Commonsense

                We would like to kindly inform you that your bet with slip ID 28856901, placed on 'Monaco J. v Chela J.I. [Exact Score]', has been cancelled in compliance with the official decision of IBAS. Further to this, your stake has been credited back to your account. Please verify your updated account balance.

                On behalf of the whole gamebookers team, we would like to wish you best of luck and much fun betting with us.

                Yours truly,

                Service @ Gamebookers

                I can only hope that it is not just myself who has benefitted from this. I hope that IBAS has instructed Gamebookers to refund stakes to all punters who have been subject to this error in their interpretation of their own rules.

                I'd also like to thank SBR for their support in my battle over this issue.
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                • althelegend
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 07-28-06
                  • 596

                  #9
                  I love stories with a happy ending.
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                  • JoshW
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-10-05
                    • 3431

                    #10
                    Great to hear. I finally have seen an example of the IBAS ruling in the players favor. Good to know it can actually happen.
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                    • rolemand
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-24-06
                      • 1033

                      #11
                      Just a note on Gamebookers weird rules from my experience. Last year I had a bases bet on the OVER in a game that was rained out in about the 7th inning or so (don't remember exactly) but the teams had already exceeded the OVER and my bet was graded a WIN. Needless to say I was extremely happy but would've been mad had I bet the under.
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                      • Justin7
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 07-31-06
                        • 8577

                        #12
                        Sadly, a lot of books often have ambiguous rules on their site.

                        If two rules are in direct conflict, the first thing you look for is the "industry standard". This becomes more difficult in smaller sports like Tennis, where there is not a clear consensus.

                        If there is no standard, I'd next look to see if one of the results was blatantly unfair. In this case, I could see the reasoning of both sides.

                        If there is still no resolution, it should be ruled in the player's favor. After all, the book chose the wording of the rules, and ambiguities are interpreted against the writer.

                        It could get messy if there were players on both sides of that wager. Did the people who bet "No" on 2-0 win their wagers? If so, the book gets stuck paying half, and refunding the other half.
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                        • Hareeba!
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 07-01-06
                          • 37300

                          #13
                          Here is the reason why the only fair solution is to void all sets betting when a player retires rather than the incorrect interpretation of rules applied by Gamebookers:

                          Think back to the Women's Final at the Oz Open. A bookie would have been holding a lot of bets on the sets outcome of that match. Then the hot favourite Henin retired after losing the first set.

                          Now let's say for argument's sake that the bookie had taken sets bets totalling $10,000 on Henin and $5,000 on Mauresmo.

                          The punters backing Mauresmo didn't get paid as winners. They only got their money back. But the $10,000 bet on Henin stays in the bookie's pocket.

                          That to my way of thinking is a (undeserved) windfall.
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