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  • imgv94
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-16-05
    • 17192

    #1
    Stop talking shit about LT. Read this


    Open season on Tomlinson




    Injured star is victim of hurtful cheap shots

    UNION-TRIBUNE

    January 22, 2008

    I am beginning to feel LaDainian Tomlinson's pain. Not the pain in his knee, but the ache that must be taking hold in his heart.

    The greatest Charger of them all is being recklessly, ridiculously and ignorantly impugned by people who presume to know how much pain another man is experiencing and how much he ought to be able to bear.



    NELVIN C. CEPEDA / Union-Tribune
    The Chargers' LaDainian Tomlinson has faced criticism since sitting out most of the AFC Championship Game with a sprained ligament in his left knee.
    This is dumb on so many levels that it barely deserves discussion, except for its potential to inflict undeserved damage. It is illogical. It is irresponsible. It is hurtful. It is wrong.

    It needs to stop now.

    Tomlinson participated in only four plays in the Chargers' 21-12 AFC Championship Game loss at New England. The injury he sustained in Indianapolis – which the team characterized as a hyperextended left knee and Tomlinson says was diagnosed as a sprained medial collateral ligament – was aggravated during the Chargers' first series of plays and, oddly enough, did not heal instantaneously.

    LT left the game before five minutes had elapsed, and watched most of what followed solemnly seated on the sideline. He said that he lacked the “burst” to be an effective running back and that returning to the field would have hurt his team rather than helped it.

    And for this he is being pilloried on the air and in the ether as a malingering mope. Doubtlessly fueled by the half-cocked commentary that passes for analysis at some media outlets – notably that of Deion Sanders of the NFL Network – yesterday's e-mail included separate but similar complaints concerning Tomlinson's “lack of toughness,” his “negative impact,” his “childlike demeanor,” his being a “spoiled brat” and his having “no heart.”



    AdvertisementEssentially, the criticism falls into two categories: 1) That Tomlinson's pain threshold was too low for a game with Super Bowl implications; 2) That LT could have contributed by cheerleading if not by ball-carrying.
    The first point is preposterous. There's no way of knowing the level of Tomlinson's discomfort without inhabiting his body, and there's no way that a running back can operate effectively if he can't accelerate or cut. A running back at 60 percent is, in reality, a jogging back, and not of much use in the National Football League.

    Nevertheless . .

    “I have expectations, and when you don't meet my expectations, you open yourself for us to try to guess,” Sanders said. “Now what's the problem? You're a big-time player. And big-time players must play big-time games.”

    Sanders says Tomlinson's injury would have to require surgery “for him to get a pass on this one.” Those are pretty bold words for a former cornerback who avoided contact as if it were a contagious disease or personal subtlety.

    “He's never been a running back and had a sprained MCL,” Tomlinson said yesterday. “You tell me what running back has played with a sprained MCL and been effective. You might go out there and try to limp around and play, but it's not going to happen. I don't know how information gets passed on, but until you talk to the source of the problem, what's going on with me, I think it's ridiculous when people make comments like that.”

    That Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers was willing and able to compete in New England with a matching pair of bad knees was impressive, but irrelevant. A quarterback with knee problems operates at a disadvantage, but he relies more on his arm and his judgment than his mobility.

    A running back's sprained knee is roughly equivalent to a quarterback's separated shoulder. Each job has a different joint fundamental to football success. Emmitt Smith was able to win the 1994 NFL rushing title with a bum shoulder, but the brilliant career of Gale Sayers came to an abrupt end because of a 1970 knee injury.

    Maybe Sayers wasn't tough enough. Maybe it was merely his misfortune to incur catastrophic knee injuries before arthroscopic surgery made them mendable. Maybe modern medicine has advanced to the point where the sports world has come to expect miracles at a moment's notice. Or maybe the sports world has become conditioned to commentators who speak first and think infrequently.

    “The response has been curious, plus disappointing and foolish,” Chargers tackle Marcus McNeill told the Union-Tribune's Bill Center yesterday. “People on LT's back today haven't got a clue about LT or football. It makes you wonder about people.”

    If there's a valid issue arising from Tomlinson's conduct Sunday, it would concern his disengaged decorum on the sideline. One of the more common criticisms that has been lodged involves LT's alleged “sulking” on the bench, behind his tinted visor and away from the action.

    Given a preexisting reputation for pouting, LT's conduct is open to interpretation. But when you consider the cold, its adverse impact on his knee and the possibility that then existed of a Chargers' Super Bowl berth, it's hard to fault Tomlinson for saving his energy and seeking warmth.

    Yet even if Tomlinson were simply indulging in self-pity, depressed at being denied the strength to perform on the biggest stage of his career, how hard is that to fathom or to forgive?

    Does anyone suppose that Tomlinson preferred to sit than to chase his dream of a Super Bowl? Does anyone imagine his or her own disappointment to be any more keen than his?

    “We all know that what happened was hurting more inside than whatever he was feeling physically,” said Chargers defensive end Luis Castillo. “What is being said is wrong. And anyone saying it should be embarrassed.”

    Anyone who believes it does not know LaDainian Tomlinson
  • Dark Horse
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-14-05
    • 13764

    #2
    LT will be back stronger than ever. His injury could have been dealt with better, though.

    For one, Turner should have played LT and Turner on those red zone possessions. Why? Because the Patriots didn't know how limited LT was. You don't have to give him the ball. Just have him out there.

    And LT may have been more useful to his team's spirit if he hadn't sat there with his dark visor down, as if he was in a world all by himself. Why was he not sparking their spirits from the sideline?
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    • SBR Lou
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      • 08-02-07
      • 37863

      #3
      Irony. His McFarlane which was crafted last year?



      * Accurate and lifelike "perma-sulk" expression
      * Defeated, hunched posture for verisimilitude
      * Watches the game out of the corner of his eyes, unable to even turn his head to pay full attention
      * As active and supportive as the real thing during the AFCCG
      * Cold Weather wrap not included
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      • bradleysnyder
        Restricted User
        • 04-18-07
        • 6662

        #4
        its not him,its his TEAM..........throw him on the colts or the patriots and see what he does.
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        • LT Profits
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 10-27-06
          • 90963

          #5
          So who's talking shit about me?
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          • imgv94
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 11-16-05
            • 17192

            #6
            Good one LT.. LOL
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            • TexansFan
              SBR MVP
              • 09-06-06
              • 3365

              #7
              Will SD be fined for lying about his injury? Both LT and SD knew what his real injury was and they lied about it. LT even advised Phil Simms before the game he was 90% which we all know was total BS.
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              • imgv94
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 11-16-05
                • 17192

                #8
                I don't doubt that SD lied about the injury. Although I don't think they should be fined.
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                • TexansFan
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-06-06
                  • 3365

                  #9
                  Originally posted by imgv94
                  I don't doubt that SD lied about the injury. Although I don't think they should be fined.
                  Gyno, I guess you have to say whether or not someone's injured but you can lie about what it is or how bad it is?
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                  • twtb19
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 12-08-07
                    • 553

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TexansFan
                    Will SD be fined for lying about his injury? Both LT and SD knew what his real injury was and they lied about it. LT even advised Phil Simms before the game he was 90% which we all know was total BS.
                    Is Tom Brady really probable for a shoulder injury from 2004.......
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                    • TexansFan
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-06-06
                      • 3365

                      #11
                      Originally posted by twtb19
                      Is Tom Brady really probable for a shoulder injury from 2004.......
                      I guess not anymore probable than T.O. having a sore ass due to Romo.
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                      • SBR Lou
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                        • 08-02-07
                        • 37863

                        #12
                        I'm not up to date on the punishment guidelines for this kind of infraction, but I do know that failing to report a significant injury is against the rules. This is pro football though, guys are banged up all year, I'm sure several injuries go unreported or are downplayed and misrepresented in some way or another.

                        The NFL doesn't send a doctor to check the validity of the reports, that'd be insane. I will say this though, since this is a fairly publicized situation, if LT's agent pressures the NFL to review this, we know Commissioner Goodell rules with a heavy fist. He's not going to allow a team to go unpunished for what he interprets to be a serious infraction. Obviously the Brady "shoulder" thing is a running joke that's well known, and doesn't put a player or the integrity of the sport in question.
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                        • BadNina
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 11-27-07
                          • 10491

                          #13
                          I remember when I tore my knee up. I waited for surgery, trying the rehab thing first. I don't know why they recommend that...unless someone is just sadistic. Anyhoo, anytime my knee got cold, it hurt. A deep throbbing pain that made me want to cry like a ...well, girl.
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                          • SBR Lou
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                            • 08-02-07
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BadNina
                            Anyhoo, anytime my knee got cold, it hurt. A deep throbbing pain that made me want to cry like a ...well, girl.
                            Most women are weak in the knees.

                            Come on, that was in the zone.
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                            • Seattle Slew
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 01-02-06
                              • 7373

                              #15
                              I was thinking the same thing. Get off your ass and root for your team, go in the huddle with Norv (he needs all the help he can get) and do something.

                              That 3rd and 1 play early 3rd quarter, bring him in as a decoy.

                              Really down on Tomlinson. At least Rivers gets into the game.

                              Originally posted by Dark Horse
                              LT will be back stronger than ever. His injury could have been dealt with better, though.

                              For one, Turner should have played LT and Turner on those red zone possessions. Why? Because the Patriots didn't know how limited LT was. You don't have to give him the ball. Just have him out there.

                              And LT may have been more useful to his team's spirit if he hadn't sat there with his dark visor down, as if he was in a world all by himself. Why was he not sparking their spirits from the sideline?
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                              • BadNina
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 11-27-07
                                • 10491

                                #16
                                Originally posted by crazyl
                                Most women are weak in the knees.

                                Come on, that was in the zone.
                                And it made me giggle
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                                • The Seer
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 10-29-07
                                  • 10641

                                  #17
                                  Nobody knows the extent of it. However, Garrison Hearst played an entire season with a torn ACL. I've taken a few needles to the knee and ankle to be able to play temporarily myself. I watched an ex NFL QB that I played with in the CFL take several shots too. A good friend of mine with the Broncos said Elway looked like a human pinata but still plyed every week and guys always knew that no matter what, Elway would be on the field to lead them. Some guys will sell out and some won't. After the cry baby incident after the Chargers got knocked off last year, I don't care much for LT. I think he is a super talent but if you don't want guys celebrating on your field, then beat them. I've been on both sides and when we got our ass kicked we just sucked it up.
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                                  • pavyracer
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 04-12-07
                                    • 82813

                                    #18
                                    They could have used him as decoy. Noone knew if he was hurt bad enough to be effective. By not playing it made it easier for the Pats to defend the Chargers offense.
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                                    • swede96
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 12-05-07
                                      • 3875

                                      #19
                                      I hyper-extended my knee repeatedly as a 14 year old GIRL and still didn't miss a practice or gymnastics meet.

                                      That being said, I was an idiot and my knee is still f*cked up to this day. I would see an orthopedic doctor if I wasn't so damn scared they'd want to operate.

                                      Now, I don't know how bad LT was hurting, so I can't say he was a sissy for not playing. What I CAN say is this: He is not the "classy person" he claims if he would sit and pout the whole time instead of cheering for his team. He's obviously not a team player at all. To me, he's everything wrong with proffesional sports today.
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                                      • Louisvillekid1
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 10-17-07
                                        • 52143

                                        #20
                                        LT is the man, most durable player in the league. . . he is not accustomed to being injured because he never has been hurt all the way back to high school. Give the man a break. . .
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                                        • imgv94
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 11-16-05
                                          • 17192

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by TexansFan
                                          Gyno, I guess you have to say whether or not someone's injured but you can lie about what it is or how bad it is?
                                          If the Pats knew LT wasn't going to play they would of prepared for it.
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                                          • McBa1n
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 01-02-06
                                            • 2642

                                            #22
                                            LT shouldn't have been on the bench - he should've been on his feet cheering his team on no matter what.
                                            To me, that's what a leader does. I guess he isn't a leader on the team.

                                            He could've grabbed some crutches and screamed/yelled IMO. You knew he wasn't going to play much, if at all, after his first touch. He ran out of bounds like a nancy...
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                                            • imgv94
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-16-05
                                              • 17192

                                              #23
                                              I'll give u guys that, I have no idea why he was emotionless on the bench. I'd like to hear what he has to say about that.
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                                              • BadNina
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                                                • 11-27-07
                                                • 10491

                                                #24
                                                "I want my mommy! WAHHHHHH!"


                                                just my guess
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                                                • SBR Lou
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                                                  • 08-02-07
                                                  • 37863

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BadNina
                                                  "I want my mommy! WAHHHHHH!"


                                                  just my guess
                                                  I figured he'd remind us all what a classy guy he is again, like he did after they were eliminated last year.

                                                  "You guys know that I'ma classy guy"
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                                                  • swede96
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 12-05-07
                                                    • 3875

                                                    #26
                                                    That's what I was waiting for too, Crazyl. Please, LT....please school those evil Patriots on what it means to be classy again...you are the master.
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                                                    • McBa1n
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-02-06
                                                      • 2642

                                                      #27
                                                      Don't get me wrong, I have a ton of respect for LT and think he's going to go down with the best of them. He's been someone I have loved watching over his career every sunday.

                                                      But this season has shown me he's not a very good team player. It's o.k. to be selfish, and these guys are professionals and all - but still, when you're an 'all world' type of talent, to sulk like he has when he's been nicked up is a bad job. His team needs him to show he gives a dang about them while they're out there on the field.

                                                      I would've preferred if he DIDNT dress for the game. If you do dress, you gotta get your arse off the pine and support your guys. To me, I havn't seen any of that out of him this year and I did lose respect for him as a leader - and that might impact his future career as a player. Guys like to block for the best - and that goes beyond just pure ability.
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                                                      • Poker_Beast
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 09-14-06
                                                        • 6545

                                                        #28
                                                        There is no way he wanted to sit out, he must have been in a lot of pain.
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