Kind of thinking the Saints might be frauds.

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  • blackbart
    SBR MVP
    • 12-04-07
    • 3834

    #36
    hopefully public perception will inflate this line, as has become normal in the super bowl. seems the public has a short memory, before the saints stinking it up yesterday this line was three, what changed? saints were helped immensely by that dome, but they still looked ineffective in the second half. thats all everyone remembers. what about colts allowing the 'great' jet offense over 350 yards and trailing by 11 at one point.
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    • statnerds
      SBR MVP
      • 09-23-09
      • 4047

      #37
      Which one of these things doesn't belong:

      A. Flacco
      B. Sanchez
      C. Brees

      and please, please everyone hammer the Colts and get me at least 6 in this one. are the Colts going to buy a defense before the Superbowl starts?
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      • mojomaker11
        Restricted User
        • 01-05-09
        • 286

        #38
        The saints didn't look good at all. The vikings did everything to give them the game and the saints still almost lost. Indy has played solid football.
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        • blueghost
          SBR MVP
          • 09-11-09
          • 1715

          #39
          im going to wait and see who the officals crew is then handicap the game
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          • Mr Handicapable
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-23-07
            • 6067

            #40
            Originally posted by statnerds
            Which one of these things doesn't belong:

            A. Flacco
            B. Sanchez
            C. Brees

            and please, please everyone hammer the Colts and get me at least 6 in this one. are the Colts going to buy a defense before the Superbowl starts?

            Lets look at the flip side for a second:

            If the Colts can put up 460 yds on the #1 defense in the NFL then what are they going to do against the 25th defense? Manning is RED HOT...Indy has lost 5 fumbles all season, and they're always one of the lowest penalized teams in the NFL! They put up a minimum of 34-35 on the Saints! The Colts were 8th in points allowed in the 14 games that they tried to win!
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            • THE PROFIT
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 11-27-09
              • 17701

              #41
              Every team is this this league that we love has weaknesses & the best team doesn't always win, we all know that. Any given Sunday the worst can beat the best! The Super Bowl is the best of the league & it will make ordinary players do extraordinary things. There is luck involved in every game and Manning & the Colts had alot of luck to go with that talent to get here.

              Don't think for a minute that the Saints won't play as hard as they have ever played in this game & all the pressure is on the Colts which leads to second guessing & mistakes.
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              • Scorpion
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 09-04-05
                • 7797

                #42
                NO should have lost yesterday
                NO beat AZ
                Before AZ they lost 3 games in a row and won 2 games on the road by FG

                I think Indy is a better team than NO on grass

                Indy by 10+
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                • hoopster42
                  Restricted User
                  • 02-12-08
                  • 6099

                  #43
                  Originally posted by SBR_John
                  Brees is great and Bush is good and they got a good linebacker and yea I know they got some good players. But that little football freak who lives somewhere in my head says they might not be able to beat Tampa Bay much less a mistake free Colts team.

                  The bad calls late in the Saints game deprived us of a great match up I believe. However, this may be about as easy or easier than grabbing Peyton over Sanchez.

                  i hope everyone and their brother are thinking like you and bet the colts even more up until kickoff
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                  • BigdaddyQH
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 07-13-09
                    • 19530

                    #44
                    I would not call New Orleans frauds. After all, they were the #1 team in the NFC. Now can they defeat the #1 team in the AFC? I sincerely doubt it, but because they may lose to Indy does not mean that they are frauds.
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                    • hoopster42
                      Restricted User
                      • 02-12-08
                      • 6099

                      #45
                      15-3 and in the SB but they are "frauds"?

                      hilarious
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                      • S.K.M.
                        SBR MVP
                        • 11-06-09
                        • 1115

                        #46
                        Why is everyone saying that the Colts have no D? Their D is the difference this year for them. Peyton and his offense are this good every year. Why do they have a history of blowing it in the playoffs? Because their defense is not usually this good. The saints do not belong in the Super Bowl I really hope they get blown out.
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                        • slacker00
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 10-06-05
                          • 12262

                          #47
                          Originally posted by S.K.M.
                          Why is everyone saying that the Colts have no D? Their D is the difference this year for them. Peyton and his offense are this good every year. Why do they have a history of blowing it in the playoffs? Because their defense is not usually this good. The saints do not belong in the Super Bowl I really hope they get blown out.
                          Be careful crediting the Colts D too much, they just played the two worst offensive teams in the playoffs.

                          I'd say Pierre Garcon is the biggest reason for the Colts improvement this year over last. Last year, counting on Marvin Harrison was more of a liability than an asset.
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                          • Mr Handicapable
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-23-07
                            • 6067

                            #48
                            Originally posted by THE PROFIT
                            Every team is this this league that we love has weaknesses & the best team doesn't always win, we all know that. Any given Sunday the worst can beat the best! The Super Bowl is the best of the league & it will make ordinary players do extraordinary things. There is luck involved in every game and Manning & the Colts had alot of luck to go with that talent to get here.

                            Don't think for a minute that the Saints won't play as hard as they have ever played in this game & all the pressure is on the Colts which leads to second guessing & mistakes.
                            Anything can always happen...thats why you don't play too much of your bankroll on any 1 game! If you think a team would cover a certain game against a certain opponent 65-70% of the time or more than its worth a bet with 10% juice!

                            I still don't get the more pressure on the Colts thing? Indy was just there a few years ago...I see the rookie Saints being more rattled...with all the Mardi Gras crazy people bringing the party down to South Beach and taking away some of their preparation!
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                            • ol'Tex
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 01-08-10
                              • 318

                              #49
                              while yes the jets put up 350 on the colts, you have to admit, they werent expecting sanchez to come out throwing to edwards long, so that was about 1/4 of the yards right there, the next big play was that clever little flea flicker which gained em a chunk as well... so IMO those numbers are a tad bit inflated... the colts d is FAST, they were able to stop teams on the grind which is why they are where they are, and the saints are not going to be able to mix it up on manning, for christs sake he reads the d at the line and makes adjustments! how is a D coordinater supposed to handle that? they cant. the saints will certainly score on the colts, but they will not be able to keep pace with manning... throw in the fact that the dome wont be behind them, they get sloppy with penalties, and being the first run in franchise history, im thinking the butterflies will get to them a bit.. colts by 14
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                              • slacker00
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 10-06-05
                                • 12262

                                #50
                                Originally posted by ol'Tex
                                while yes the jets put up 350 on the colts, you have to admit, they werent expecting sanchez to come out throwing to edwards long, so that was about 1/4 of the yards right there, the next big play was that clever little flea flicker which gained em a chunk as well... so IMO those numbers are a tad bit inflated... the colts d is FAST, they were able to stop teams on the grind which is why they are where they are, and the saints are not going to be able to mix it up on manning, for christs sake he reads the d at the line and makes adjustments! how is a D coordinater supposed to handle that? they cant. the saints will certainly score on the colts, but they will not be able to keep pace with manning... throw in the fact that the dome wont be behind them, they get sloppy with penalties, and being the first run in franchise history, im thinking the butterflies will get to them a bit.. colts by 14
                                That's weak, Tex. You try to rationalize away certain plays because "they weren't expecting it". What? lmao
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                                • tltaylor89
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 06-19-09
                                  • 19610

                                  #51
                                  Colts will take it to the Saints
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                                  • Patrick McIrish
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-15-05
                                    • 2864

                                    #52
                                    Fraud is a strong word but yeah I think the Saints are outclassed in this one. Colts win easily....
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                                    • Patrick McIrish
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 09-15-05
                                      • 2864

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by statnerds
                                      ..... please everyone hammer the Colts and get me at least 6 in this one. are the Colts going to buy a defense before the Superbowl starts?


                                      How do you rate the Saints defense? Just curious.
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                                      • CaptainPrice
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 10-29-09
                                        • 1064

                                        #54
                                        i think the saints are more fraudulant
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                                        • slacker00
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 10-06-05
                                          • 12262

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by Patrick McIrish
                                          How do you rate the Saints defense? Just curious.
                                          One thing, the 5 turnovers they got against the Vikings was no fluke. They've been doing it all season. #2 in the league in forced defensive turnovers. They average almost 2 1/2 per game.
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                                          • ol'Tex
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 01-08-10
                                            • 318

                                            #56
                                            slacker cmon now, im not trying to rationalize away anything. im logically stating that going into the game, sanchez throwing bombs was an afterthought, and as soon as they saw that he had it in him, and it wasnt going to be a 4th quarter gameplan they tightened up and he didnt have another big toss like that. im simply stating that IN MY OPINION those two plays inflated the numbers a tad bit.. i am in no way trying to take away from the performance of the jets.. hell ive said before i think they were the only ones left who could beat em, which is why i had em at +8

                                            however, you can bet your bottom dollar that indy expects brees to come out and pass, and they wont be allowing big plays like that.. the colts D is all about using the speed to make offenses grind down the field, and while the saints will be able to get points up, they wont be scorring like manning and crew.
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                                            • slacker00
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 10-06-05
                                              • 12262

                                              #57
                                              I hear ya, Tex. If it's any consolation, I didn't expect Indy to be able to run on the Jets. Then again, I didn't expect all of those Jets injuries during the game either. The Jets had an amazing bad bit of luck, especially adding in those missed FGs.
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                                              • lakerboy
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 04-02-09
                                                • 94379

                                                #58
                                                keep betting against manning- see where that gets you long term
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                                                • ol'Tex
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 01-08-10
                                                  • 318

                                                  #59
                                                  i agree slacker.. the colts really showed some of their underlying strengths.. and i think without the injuries, they would have covered the spread.. that, combined with the last minute line movement is why i took the bet in the first place.. saw some good value there

                                                  however this D is nothing like the jets, and while the saints offense may be more dynamic, the colts are more than capable of containing.. i hit the colts line hard at -4 when it came out, and there is no doubt in my mind that the colts will cover that, unless manning gets injured (knock on wood)
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                                                  • hoopster42
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 02-12-08
                                                    • 6099

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by lakerboy
                                                    keep betting against manning- see where that gets you long term

                                                    ive done it in spots the last 9 yrs and i have hit over 55% of them i'll tell you that, some of my biggest bets were when the pats owned him and the chargers the past 3 yrs, i've made tons of money betting against peyton 'cause he's usually giving too many pts and they D cannot keep the margin
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                                                    • hoopster42
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 02-12-08
                                                      • 6099

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by ol'Tex
                                                      i agree slacker.. the colts really showed some of their underlying strengths.. and i think without the injuries, they would have covered the spread.. that, combined with the last minute line movement is why i took the bet in the first place.. saw some good value there

                                                      however this D is nothing like the jets, and while the saints offense may be more dynamic, the colts are more than capable of containing.. i hit the colts line hard at -4 when it came out, and there is no doubt in my mind that the colts will cover that, unless manning gets injured (knock on wood)
                                                      they did cover the spread against the jets, the spread was anywhere from 7 to 8.5 depending on when during the wk you bet and they won by 13
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                                                      • jerseykingpin
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                                                        • 12-03-08
                                                        • 1051

                                                        #62
                                                        Going to wait till the last sec to see how the line runs
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                                                        • jackpot269
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 09-24-07
                                                          • 12842

                                                          #63
                                                          Im on the colts I think they are the best team so I hope in this case the best team wins but I know thats not always the case like last week when NO beat the Vikes.
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                                                          • Grux
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 09-24-09
                                                            • 494

                                                            #64
                                                            I don't know if they are frauds but Brees was defiantly feeling the pressure in the second half of the NFC Championship game. He was throwing over his receivers and missed an easy hand off. I wonder how he will handle the pressure of the super bowl?
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                                                            • gcarp707
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 01-09-10
                                                              • 110

                                                              #65
                                                              The way the colts played the other night compared to the saints I would think the colts will win pretty easy. I think they are just the all around better team.
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                                                              • ol'Tex
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 01-08-10
                                                                • 318

                                                                #66
                                                                hoopster i had the jets +8, they did not cover the spread
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                                                                • DOMINATER
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 12-10-09
                                                                  • 3698

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Listen every team has a couple of those games more than ever, i wouldn't hang a decision on who im going to bet mainly on that , more important when it counted during the playoffs they stopped the kid from minny and that is something to make a decision on in my opinion
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                                                                  • ol'Tex
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 01-08-10
                                                                    • 318

                                                                    #68
                                                                    dom, the saints did not stop brett, (i assume thats the kid from minny) they caused turnovers, and he threw a horribly timed pick in the final seconds that cost them the game. brett carved that ass up
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                                                                    • Alastair Jervis
                                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                                      • 12-27-09
                                                                      • 29

                                                                      #69
                                                                      I don“t see the argument for calling them frauds. They are there on merit even if the Vikes should have turned them over.
                                                                      Indy have the edge in my book, they have that knack of winning games even when they are on the back foot.
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                                                                      • awholelottalumps
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 12-14-07
                                                                        • 1049

                                                                        #70
                                                                        I like the Colts as the Saints were clearly outplayed by the Vikes,but the turnovers were too much to overcome and they still barely won.The Colts won't make those mistakes and should win this one by at least 10.
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