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  • CollegeOverUnder
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    • 10-20-10
    • 5520

    #1
    Illinois vs Michigan ( Want the Scoop here it is )
    Ok I have been staring at this game all week and was getting ready for the Big 10 tourney before the brackets even came out because the only team I was solely interested in was Illinois. And I wanted to no who they would play. I initially thought it was going to be Michigan St. before the brackets came out but it ended up being Michigan, same difference to me in this situation though because its a 4 vs 5 game and Michigan St, Michigan, and Illinois are all in win or lose situations for the NCAA. I just knew who ever Illinois played it was going to be a huge bubble game. Ok this is a lot of writing but bear with me on this.

    First off im a big Illini fan I grew up in Illinois..... Meaning I grew up in Big10 Country now Im in the shit PAC 10 country loving the WCC though

    Anyways here is my initial thought when I saw it was going to be Illinois vs Michigan was Illinois -3.5 to -4 with out even seeing a line was what I had in my numbers.

    Line opens at Illinois -2.5 im pretty sure and is floating between -2.5 and -3 right now.
    I just think thats really awkward.

    Now I was also looking at the Futures to win the Big 10 tourney and Michigan was listed at +800 to win the Big 10 Tourney while Illinois is listed at +1000 to win the Big 10 Tourney. Yes im sure this is simply because Michigan is #4 and Illinois is #5 but that doesn't seem quite right to me those odds should be the same IMO. Kinda like the shit MAC tourney where equally all those teams are the same caliber except Toledo.

    So Vegas has Michigan at +800 and Illinois at +1000 to win the B10, yet Illinois is getting -2.5 to -3 odds to win the game while Michigan is getting the points.


    I noticed this exact same situation last week in the Colonial Conference tourney between Delaware and Northeastern.

    Vegas was offering Delaware +1500 and not even listing odds for Northeastern just giving them the +1000 in the field from the teams that werent given odds from the CAA. This really interested me because why would Vegas give Delaware a line to win the CAA and not give Northeastern a line to win the game when Northeastern opened up as -2 favorites verse Delaware and ended up closing at -3.5

    I kept piling my money on Delaware in this game I had Delaware +2, +2.5, +3, and +3.5 when I saw this. And I even had Delaware +2 in the 2nd half. I specifically remember being really confused about this but was stubborn on this choice because Vegas was listing Odds for Delaware to win the CAA and none for Northeastern.


    I really really really dont want to bet against Illinois in this spot I got friends that go to U of I and I want to see Illini in the NCAA, but Im going to end up taking Michigan in this spot sadly. And ill keep adding more and more onto Michigan if the line keeps moving up. I would love to see Illinois win the game and Michigan cover the line. That would be perfect.

    The TOTAL hasnt been released but the play in this game will be playing the OVER not the UNDER just my oppinion though.


    So Im going with my gut on this one like I did with Delaware and lining Michigan +3 hoping it gets pushed up to +4 and +4.5 if it reaches +4.5 that is way to many points to give Michigan. But ill have to wait and see if I can get a number like that.


  • CollegeOverUnder
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    • 10-20-10
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    #2
    Also adding

    Dayton +7 vs Xavier


    those are the only games im locked in currently as of 3:30 AM Pacific time since all the lines arnt out yet those are the only 2 im interested in.
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    • Ketch
      SBR High Roller
      • 01-16-11
      • 145

      #3
      Why would you not wait until game time and put all your $$ on the best line?
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      • sicky123
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        • 10-02-08
        • 368

        #4
        I agree that line seems a bit weird, but from what I can tell it opened at -3.5 and dropped to -3 w/ some -2.5's starting to pop up. Big difference there.

        As far as future prices go. I have seen that happen a # of times over the years, and the games have went either way.
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        • runnershane14
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 07-23-07
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          #5
          good luck to you
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          • CollegeOverUnder
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            • 10-20-10
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            #6
            Originally posted by Ketch
            Why would you not wait until game time and put all your $$ on the best line?
            because I might be asleep and the best line could be right now it could shift down
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            • CollegeOverUnder
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              #7
              Originally posted by sicky123
              I agree that line seems a bit weird, but from what I can tell it opened at -3.5 and dropped to -3 w/ some -2.5's starting to pop up. Big difference there.

              As far as future prices go. I have seen that happen a # of times over the years, and the games have went either way.
              im seeing that it opened at -3 on SBR but you could be right it could of been at -3.5 for a short time. What site did you see it at -3.5 ?
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              • IAMWINNER
                SBR MVP
                • 02-28-11
                • 1012

                #8
                Originally posted by CollegeOverUnder
                im seeing that it opened at -3 on SBR but you could be right it could of been at -3.5 for a short time. What site did you see it at -3.5 ?
                there is no 3.5 anywhere
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                • CollegeOverUnder
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                  • 10-20-10
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                  #9
                  Lets cover the spread!
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                  • TCMBob
                    SBR Rookie
                    • 01-16-11
                    • 43

                    #10
                    for your sake, I hope Illinois wins. For mine, I hope it is only by 2. Good luck.
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                    • bmac_06
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                      • 03-08-11
                      • 47

                      #11
                      I would be careful with Dayton.. they were down double digits last time they played Xavier but pulled some crazy stuff out to make it a close game. Xavier is probably the hottest team in the country right now and I wouldn't be surprised if Tu pulls a Kemba like performance (without the shitty shooting %). Xavier should cover, but UD always plays them tough so it'll be a good one to watch.
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                      • kernssca
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 07-31-10
                        • 330

                        #12
                        Hope you're right about Dayton, as an aluum I hope to avoid the sweep, but at least make it a game, looked good vs Mass
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                        • sicky123
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                          • 10-02-08
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by CollegeOverUnder
                          im seeing that it opened at -3 on SBR but you could be right it could of been at -3.5 for a short time. What site did you see it at -3.5 ?
                          Bookmaker opened at -3.5
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                          • BIGPOPPA144
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                            • 03-11-11
                            • 284

                            #14
                            Scores and odds has it up to -3.5
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                            • ebbearsfb1
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-07-08
                              • 18815

                              #15
                              Bookmaker had mich plus 2700 to win big ten
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                              • Johnnythunder
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                                • 11-25-10
                                • 2161

                                #16
                                I'm with you. Michigan plus 3 and a big play on over 125.5
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                                • joeytunes
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                                  • 12-29-10
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                                  #17
                                  good post..
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                                  • agharah1
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                                    • 09-07-10
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                                    #18
                                    I just don't see Michigan winning this game. Illinois is a terrible matchup for them. With Davis, Tisdale, Cole, and now Leonard jamming the lanes Michigan is going to have to either force turnovers to run past their bigs or hit their jump shots. Tisdale only gets in foul trouble against teams with good bigs. Michigan has *NEVER* beat Illinois in the Big Ten Tournament.

                                    The only way I see this game going in Michigan's favor is if Demetri McCamey has already checked out on the season. Even then I worry that DJ Richardson and Brandon Paul could get hot. On paper, Illinois should be able to straight up out-talent Michigan.
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                                    • Ch3fDan
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                                      • 02-02-10
                                      • 305

                                      #19
                                      I don't see why this game isn't winnable for Michigan. We almost beat them the first time around, and swept a State team which is probably the most similar to Illinois in the conference. It should be a great game and I believe the Wolverines have a legitimate chance of pulling it off.
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                                      • luvtogamble
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                                        • 01-21-11
                                        • 1085

                                        #20
                                        dayton looking great early.
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                                        • BiffTFinancial
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                                          • 01-29-09
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by agharah1
                                          I just don't see Michigan winning this game. Illinois is a terrible matchup for them. With Davis, Tisdale, Cole, and now Leonard jamming the lanes Michigan is going to have to either force turnovers to run past their bigs or hit their jump shots. Tisdale only gets in foul trouble against teams with good bigs. Michigan has *NEVER* beat Illinois in the Big Ten Tournament.

                                          The only way I see this game going in Michigan's favor is if Demetri McCamey has already checked out on the season. Even then I worry that DJ Richardson and Brandon Paul could get hot. On paper, Illinois should be able to straight up out-talent Michigan.
                                          i don't disagree that Illinois clearly has more talent that Michigan, but they've been very talented all season and underachieved pretty much throughout. it's safe to say that the Illini had more talent than Northwestern, Indiana, Penn State and UIC, yet they still lost outright to all of them. i get the feeling that this may be one of the most frustrating teams that Weber has ever coached, and i don't get the feeling that there's time to right the ship.
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                                          • sicky123
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                                            • 10-02-08
                                            • 368

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by agharah1
                                            I just don't see Michigan winning this game. Illinois is a terrible matchup for them. With Davis, Tisdale, Cole, and now Leonard jamming the lanes Michigan is going to have to either force turnovers to run past their bigs or hit their jump shots. Tisdale only gets in foul trouble against teams with good bigs. Michigan has *NEVER* beat Illinois in the Big Ten Tournament.

                                            The only way I see this game going in Michigan's favor is if Demetri McCamey has already checked out on the season. Even then I worry that DJ Richardson and Brandon Paul could get hot. On paper, Illinois should be able to straight up out-talent Michigan.

                                            Saw somewhere that Illinois is 0-8 ATS last 8 as neutral site favorites. Saw you mentioned Mich never beating ILL so I thought you might also find this interesting.
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                                            • Shane
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                                              • 02-28-10
                                              • 466

                                              #23
                                              I'm liking Michigan getting the points. They've been playing some solid basketball for the past month.
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                                              • btd
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                                                • 08-18-08
                                                • 455

                                                #24
                                                Leaning towards Mich. as well maybe for 2 units.
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                                                • SmokinGood
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                                                  • 12-28-10
                                                  • 344

                                                  #25
                                                  Illinois wins by 7...You heard it here first
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                                                  • Johnnythunder
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                                                    • 11-25-10
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                                                    #26
                                                    This is going to go way over the total and Michigan will win by 2
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                                                    • donkdown
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                                                      #27
                                                      MICH not looking so hot. Wide open shots for Ill
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                                                      • donkdown
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                                                        #28
                                                        Yea MICH is done!! nice write up but this team is NIT bound and thats where they deserve to be. I backed them withh the rest of the nits
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                                                        • Johnnythunder
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                                                          • 11-25-10
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                                                          #29
                                                          Bunch of morons. I've seen at least 5 wide open lanes to the hoop in the first half for Michigan and the players pull it out to kill clock. Pathetic offense and they need to open it up in the 2nd half to have a chance.
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                                                          • CollegeOverUnder
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                                                            • 10-20-10
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                                                            #30
                                                            Im still riding this out guys were talking about Illinois here ........... Illinois isnt exactly magical at closing games out
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                                                            • donkdown
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                                                              • 07-09-09
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                                                              #31
                                                              Dude Ill is one of the best shooting teams in B 10 u sure u follow this league. This pick was bad and we all got caught.. Mich isnt close to this team..
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                                                              • CollegeOverUnder
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by donkdown
                                                                Dude Ill is one of the best shooting teams in B 10 u sure u follow this league. This pick was bad and we all got caught.. Mich isnt close to this team..
                                                                Im from Illinois dude I grew up here I no these teams and Illinois is only one of the best shooting teams in the country when they actually hit their shots. They are extremely unreliable team but you apparently dont realize that you shouldnt have followed me if you thought Illinois was one of the best teams in the country at shooting.

                                                                Illinois lives and dies by how their Seniors decide to play
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                                                                • CollegeOverUnder
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by donkdown
                                                                  Dude Ill is one of the best shooting teams in B 10 u sure u follow this league. This pick was bad and we all got caught.. Mich isnt close to this team..
                                                                  if they were one of the best shooting teams in the Big 10 they wouldnt be on the bubble trying to get into the NCAA either think about what your saying before you try and rip on me its simple make your pick on Illinois next time if you know what your doing
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                                                                  • donkdown
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Im not ripping u man?? I bet Mich also just pissed I backed this team!! Ill is just flat out better than Mich from what Im watching Mich looks slow and white!! LOL
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                                                                    • donkdown
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                                                                      • 07-09-09
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Had every chance to get this to 6 This team cant shoot at all.., When u r this slow u best be able to shoot!!
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