The conspiracy theorist in me wonders about this Knicks/Lin situation

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  • YouHave2outs
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    #36
    Originally posted by No coincidences
    First time I've really watched a game from start to finish since Lin became the full-time point guard; only seen bits and pieces before now.
    Originally posted by ephi408
    did you even watch the fcking game?
    did you even read the fcking first sentence of the OP?
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    • hangtime
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      #37
      dont think kid will be setting records for turnovers if it was a conspiracy. kid is a baller. just give credit where its due.
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      • demens
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        #38
        Originally posted by No coincidences
        So you guys are saying he's unguardable and indefensible? That there's no gameplan for a scrub PG with no left and no quickness?

        You are wrong about his quickness. He isn't fast end to end but he sure is quick with his dribble.

        Something i read in some article about him. He stays low to the ground with his dribble making it easier for him to change speeds which the NBA game is really all about.

        He also has a unique way of attacking the picknroll. He goes full speed into the pick and then slows down which is the opposite of what most pgs do. The reason they dont do that way is because it takes great timing otherwise you're setting up your guy to pick up offensive fouls with moving picks. So not exactly factors the scouts measure during the combine but things like timing and coordination are factors of why Lin is having his success so far.

        Someone said earlier that Kurt Warner was a product of a system. So is Lin imo, you dont have to be surrounded by great players in order for that to be true. You just need players that complement your strengths. And thats what Lin has. picknrole, lob to chandler, spot up 3 for Novak. Novaks wasn't even getting minutes before Lin showed up. And did we all forget how incredible DAntonis system is for offense? It needs a pg with a particular set of skills to run it well. I dont think it would be an over exaggeration to say "no Dantoni, no MVPs for Nash". Just so its clear, i'm not comparing Lin and Nash, just pointing out that the system can really make a guys career. Still doubt its a system that will win you titles but thats a different story.

        Lin also has great intangibles like high bball iq, toughness, a great feel of when to make a big play and he also has been pretty clutch. Contrast that with what NY had at PG prior and you see a big difference. And i'm not even trying to be critical of NYs prior pgs, just saying they do not fit the system.

        There are also such things as hot streak, even scrub players have them. A combination of all those things have created a perfect storm and are making the guy look like a superstar. And he deserves a ton of credit what he's doing. I'm still very skeptical about him being THIS good of a player and when all of the contributing factors start fading away, shots start to clank off the rim, defenses throw different looks at you, healthy players come back into the lineup looking for the usual volume of shots. These things will put everyone in their place eventually.

        My point is that no matter how surprising his great play is (and i am very surprised by it personally), there are plenty of reasons for it, plenty of explanations other then this being a conspiracy. I could be wrong about everything i wrote really and Jeremy Lin just might be a superstar after all. Time will tell, but there is no hype quite like NY hype so i think i have a good chance of being right.
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        • Reedeman
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          #39
          Originally posted by hangtime
          dont think kid will be setting records for turnovers if it was a conspiracy. kid is a baller. just give credit where its due.
          exactly. yea hes racking up numbers but it isn't pretty... we'll see what happens when they go to miami on thursday. lin hasn't been effectively been guarded yet it seems. put him up against a small defensive guy like rose, westbrook, or wade and lets see what happens then
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          • Pauulzcappin
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            #40
            Originally posted by No coincidences



            So you guys are saying he's unguardable and indefensible? That there's no gameplan for a scrub PG with no left and no quickness?

            I'm saying CArlisle gameplan was wrong.
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            • No coincidences
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              #41
              Originally posted by Pauulzcappin
              I'm saying CArlisle gameplan was wrong.
              I just don't see Carlisle not having a gameplan for Jeremy Lin. I agree 100% -- it was awful.
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              • Dexter
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                #42
                Originally posted by No coincidences
                First time I've really watched a game from start to finish since Lin became the full-time point guard; only seen bits and pieces before now.

                Rick Carlisle, who is widely considered to be a great X's and O's coach and in-game adjuster, had a horrible gameplan for "stopping" Lin. This guy's going on how many games now and these teams supposedly aren't figuring out how to accentuate his weaknesses? It's just weird to me. Mavs are a very solid defensive team, yet they did absolutely nothing to slow this cat down today. Wide-open jump shots, getting into the lane whenever he wanted....just weird. Coincidence?
                can you elaborate what you mean by *coincidence*?

                the way i am reading this is that you feel carlisle didnt execute his top game plan to defend lin because someone wants to see him succeed....
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                • No coincidences
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                  #43
                  Originally posted by demens
                  You are wrong about his quickness. He isn't fast end to end but he sure is quick with his dribble.

                  Something i read in some article about him. He stays low to the ground with his dribble making it easier for him to change speeds which the NBA game is really all about.

                  He also has a unique way of attacking the picknroll. He goes full speed into the pick and then slows down which is the opposite of what most pgs do. The reason they dont do that way is because it takes great timing otherwise you're setting up your guy to pick up offensive fouls with moving picks. So not exactly factors the scouts measure during the combine but things like timing and coordination are factors of why Lin is having his success so far.

                  Someone said earlier that Kurt Warner was a product of a system. So is Lin imo, you dont have to be surrounded by great players in order for that to be true. You just need players that complement your strengths. And thats what Lin has. picknrole, lob to chandler, spot up 3 for Novak. Novaks wasn't even getting minutes before Lin showed up. And did we all forget how incredible DAntonis system is for offense? It needs a pg with a particular set of skills to run it well. I dont think it would be an over exaggeration to say "no Dantoni, no MVPs for Nash". Just so its clear, i'm not comparing Lin and Nash, just pointing out that the system can really make a guys career. Still doubt its a system that will win you titles but thats a different story.

                  Lin also has great intangibles like high bball iq, toughness, a great feel of when to make a big play and he also has been pretty clutch. Contrast that with what NY had at PG prior and you see a big difference. And i'm not even trying to be critical of NYs prior pgs, just saying they do not fit the system.

                  There are also such things as hot streak, even scrub players have them. A combination of all those things have created a perfect storm and are making the guy look like a superstar. And he deserves a ton of credit what he's doing. I'm still very skeptical about him being THIS good of a player and when all of the contributing factors start fading away, shots start to clank off the rim, defenses throw different looks at you, healthy players come back into the lineup looking for the usual volume of shots. These things will put everyone in their place eventually.

                  My point is that no matter how surprising his great play is (and i am very surprised by it personally), there are plenty of reasons for it, plenty of explanations other then this being a conspiracy. I could be wrong about everything i wrote really and Jeremy Lin just might be a superstar after all. Time will tell, but there is no hype quite like NY hype so i think i have a good chance of being right.
                  Again, if Lin emerged and put up half the numbers he's crunching, I wouldn't think twice about it. And that's basically what you're saying here. I don't disagree that a guy can't be the right fit at the right time and put a hot streak together. He's not just doing that, though -- he's gone from nothing to regular 30 and 10 games. Come on.
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                  • No coincidences
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                    #44
                    Originally posted by Dexter
                    can you elaborate what you mean by *coincidence*?

                    the way i am reading this is that you feel carlisle didnt execute his top game plan to defend lin because someone wants to see him succeed....
                    It's just hard to believe all of this is legitimate, Dex -- and I've been watching the NBA for a long, long time.
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                    • Dexter
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                      #45
                      lin apparently ripped up the vegas league, and even outplayed john wall (the true pg), but he was stuck behind ellis and curry. i think the fact that he is Asian also hurt his draft day stock. that's ridiculous but likely true.

                      is he this good? i say no....but time will tell as teams get to watch tape on him.
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                      • No coincidences
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by Dexter
                        lin apparently ripped up the vegas league, and even outplayed john wall (the true pg), but he was stuck behind ellis and curry. i think the fact that he is Asian also hurt his draft day stock. that's ridiculous but likely true.

                        is he this good? i say no....but time will tell as teams get to watch tape on him.
                        I would think Carlisle would have seen enough film to know the dude can't use his left at the very least. I've only seen bits and pieces of games up until today and even I could see that.
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                        • demens
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                          #47
                          Originally posted by Dexter
                          lin apparently ripped up the vegas league, and even outplayed john wall (the true pg), but he was stuck behind ellis and curry. i think the fact that he is Asian also hurt his draft day stock. that's ridiculous but likely true.

                          is he this good? i say no....but time will tell as teams get to watch tape on him.

                          He didn't "rip up" the summer league. He had a few good games vs very weak opposition. He did outplay Wall in the h2h game. But what he was doing in the summer league was nowhere near what he has done in the NBA the last 2 weeks.
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                          • forloveofthegame
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                            #48
                            Lin cant dribble the bal at all.. he could have easily had 6-7 more turnovers in that game.. As some sort of conspiracy no way you can't focus on lin with all the players around him. Dallas took amare and tyson out of the game and lin hit some big shots but novak is the reason why they won not lin.
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                            • Pauulzcappin
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                              #49
                              Originally posted by forloveofthegame
                              Lin cant dribble the bal at all.. he could have easily had 6-7 more turnovers in that game.. As some sort of conspiracy no way you can't focus on lin with all the players around him. Dallas took amare and tyson out of the game and lin hit some big shots but novak is the reason why they won not lin.

                              finally
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                              • NYSportsGuy210
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                                #50
                                Originally posted by No coincidences
                                He's good no doubt, but he's also incredibly vulnerable.

                                Are you telling me he's gone from a D-League player/waiver wire regular to NBA superstar just because he's been given more minutes? Just like that?

                                Do you even know anything about Jeremy Lin dude? The kid was a star player for his HS in Palo Alto, CA. In his senior year he lead his team to the state national championship defeating a juggernaut team called Madre Day or some crap. They were a power house HS b-ball team and his team took them down.

                                In college playing for Harvard, he torched UConn for 30 points and two monster dunks over their center. He also played well on the big stage for Harvard against other big name college basketball programs.

                                It's not like Jeremy Lin came out of no where without having a track record of success or potential to be a star.
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                                • Dexter
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                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by NYSportsGuy210
                                  Do you even know anything about Jeremy Lin dude? The kid was a star player for his HS in Palo Alto, CA. In his senior year he lead his team to the state national championship defeating a juggernaut team called Madre Day or some crap. They were a power house HS b-ball team and his team took them down.

                                  In college playing for Harvard, he torched UConn for 30 points and two monster dunks over their center. He also played well on the big stage for Harvard against other big name college basketball programs.

                                  It's not like Jeremy Lin came out of no where without having a track record of success or potential to be a star.
                                  lol....the biggest NY homer comes out of the clouds
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                                  • AribaAriba
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                                    #52
                                    so he'd been stealing the ball and dunking in a full court set during his harvard days hmmm... conspiracy that these kids let him do that to em.
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                                    • shari91
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                                      #53
                                      NoCoin, you know how I feel about Stern and this stupid ass league so I'm not one to dispute your theory. In fact I had said this same thing to Lou before I watched a couple of games. It's all too perfect: The NFL had Tebow and now the NBA has Lin in a crappy shortened season - that just happens to appeal to the biggest market in the world????

                                      But... how is he sinking shots? How did Novak and JR Smith? He has no left, but when he tries to go left and gets stopped he dishes it out. He's stealing the ball and racking up assists. To rig this, it would be hard core fundamental as in telling teams to lay off every NY player... mind you the way Odom played, it makes you wonder. Man I watched hours of Khloe and Lamar last night thanks to the poster benjy and I had said to Lou I was cheering for the guy. Holy crap, Odom was bad. If I had bet on the Mavs I would've puked. My 2yo would've at least kicked someone in the shin or something. So I don't know.

                                      I really think at this point it's a case of a kid over excelling because he's handling the ball 90% of the time. High assists but also = high turnovers. It'll settle down when Melo comes back and maybe the Knicks will suck at that point. Not because of Melo but they'll just regress to normal. No guy can play those minutes continuously... look what happens when he's out. Mayhem. I told Lou I was going to turn the game off at one point because it became uncomfortable to watch. So sloppy when he was out. And still sloppy in the 3rd at one point. I truly don't think this is a Stern Special this time - although you bet your ass he's bathing in Cristal at the moment toasting Lin... it's just a kid playing out of his skin in his one chance. For those who wondered where these skills were, when did he get the chance? Seriously. Don't be negative: When did he ever get a proper chance to play in the NBA? This won't last. It can't. But we should probably enjoy it whilst it does. Why not? More interesting than anything else in this crappy league at the moment.
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                                      • paco
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                                        #54
                                        U put to much time into conspiracys and line movementS. U might not like what i have to say but u think everything is a trap. U do know favorites cover right? And at a high clip also. The guys in sandals in the line office of Costa rica is not playing the game, they gamble just like we all
                                        Do. Just my opinion, I like u, and don't want to see u keep losing and missing out on $. Call us squares who actually cap and take the "obvious" games and win.
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                                        • tb1984
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                                          #55
                                          What if Lin did not play well against the Mavs, would you have created this thread? or are you gonna create a "Lin is over-rated" thread? I mean, just give him credit.

                                          You should watch other games that he played. In the Mavs game, he did not go to the lane as much as in other games because the Mavs kept trapping and double-teaming him. The Mavs forced him to pass the ball to other players.

                                          Do you ever think that team can mis-evaluate talents. How about Tom Brady? He was drafted in late round, and if Drew Bledsoe did not get hurt, Tom Brady would not have got opportunity to start games.

                                          Anyway, you only watch one game then create this thread about conspiracy, it's kind of irresponsible.
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                                          • paco
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                                            #56
                                            ^^ good post tb1984
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                                            • BigDofBA
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by tb1984
                                              What if Lin did not play well against the Mavs, would you have created this thread? or are you gonna create a "Lin is over-rated" thread? I mean, just give him credit. You should watch other games that he played. In the Mavs game, he did not go to the lane as much as in other games because the Mavs kept trapping and double-teaming him. The Mavs forced him to pass the ball to other players. Do you ever think that team can mis-evaluate talents. How about Tom Brady? He was drafted in late round, and if Drew Bledsoe did not get hurt, Tom Brady would not have got opportunity to start games. Anyway, you only watch one game then create this thread about conspiracy, it's kind of irresponsible.
                                              I would like to add Kurt Warner to that list. People used to say he was a product of the Rams system and then he had the freaking Arizona Cardinals within seconds of winning a Superbowl. That in itself is a miracle. The dude threw for over 350 yards against the Steelers in a Super Bowl.
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                                              • paco
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                                                #58
                                                Yea, Antonio Gates came out of the woodworks also.

                                                Also, who te **** thought Gronkowski would put up record breaking numbers?
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                                                • shari91
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                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by paco
                                                  U put to much time into conspiracys and line movementS. U might not like what i have to say but u think everything is a trap. U do know favorites cover right? And at a high clip also. The guys in sandals in the line office of Costa rica is not playing the game, they gamble just like we all
                                                  Do. Just my opinion, I like u, and don't want to see u keep losing and missing out on $. Call us squares who actually cap and take the "obvious" games and win.
                                                  NoCoin has been sportsbetting almost exactly as long as my kiddie has been alive. And in that time he's seen as much crazy stuff as I have as a mommy. But solely watching lines, etc will only get you so far. I read his post about Dumars and he's spot on... for some reason about Lin, I'm not sure where it's coming from other than maybe he lost some cash or something didn't go to plan according to line movement?

                                                  Tonight the Mavs were what? -2, -2.5? I'm not checking any movement... just what posters said they got. A few weeks ago they would've been -8 to -10 against the Knicks. The books told you something right there. They don't give a shit who's on the cover of a magazine. I had said to Lou/ise if we were live betting we both would've been caned because we would've bought out of our fake NY bets and jumped on the Mavs when it looked like NY was going busto with Lin out, only to see the Knicks take over again. Not just Lin... the whole team when he came back.

                                                  This isn't fake. It's heart. And a whole team believing in you when he himself said not so long ago he was crying his eyes out because he was wondering wtf he was doing with his life considering no one wanted him. Which you know NoCoin as a lifelong NBA fan. Stop thinking silly line movement crap for a bit and just enjoy. For those of you who've ridden the wave, GOOD ON YOU. And for the true NYC fans, I hope you're ecstatic. When you have people on the other side of the world... and STEVE NASH WTF?????... hoping you guys win, man, that must be an awesome feeling. Congats! xo
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                                                  • nammertl
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                                                    #60
                                                    We've put men on the moon and split atoms but you have difficulty believing this asian guy can be this good? Perhaps you're just being unintentionally racist? But that's a big part of the reason why Lin has blown up in such a short amount of time. We've been conditioned for so long to uphold longstanding 'traditions' about what people can and can't do based on what they look like that when something like a Jeremy Lin happens it suddenly becomes suspicious? Was Jackie Robinson a conspiracy too?
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                                                    • nammertl
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by forloveofthegame
                                                      Lin cant dribble the bal at all.. he could have easily had 6-7 more turnovers in that game.. As some sort of conspiracy no way you can't focus on lin with all the players around him. Dallas took amare and tyson out of the game and lin hit some big shots but novak is the reason why they won not lin.
                                                      Lin was a big reason they were ahead 12 points int he 1st quarter. When he was resting I think the Mavs suddenly went on a 7-0 run. So it's a little of both Lin and Novak, and the rest of the team.
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                                                      • No coincidences
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                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by NYSportsGuy210
                                                        Do you even know anything about Jeremy Lin dude? The kid was a star player for his HS in Palo Alto, CA. In his senior year he lead his team to the state national championship defeating a juggernaut team called Madre Day or some crap. They were a power house HS b-ball team and his team took them down.

                                                        In college playing for Harvard, he torched UConn for 30 points and two monster dunks over their center. He also played well on the big stage for Harvard against other big name college basketball programs.

                                                        It's not like Jeremy Lin came out of no where without having a track record of success or potential to be a star.
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                                                        • No coincidences
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by paco
                                                          Yea, Antonio Gates came out of the woodworks also.

                                                          Also, who te **** thought Gronkowski would put up record breaking numbers?
                                                          More poor comparisons -- those guys are physical freaks of nature.
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                                                          • No coincidences
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                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by AribaAriba
                                                            so he'd been stealing the ball and dunking in a full court set during his harvard days hmmm... conspiracy that these kids let him do that to em.
                                                            I'm supposed to watch a highlight reel of Lin dunking on Columbia and Brown and be convinced? I'm officially in bizarro world now.
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                                                            • No coincidences
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                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by paco
                                                              U put to much time into conspiracys and line movementS. U might not like what i have to say but u think everything is a trap. U do know favorites cover right? And at a high clip also. The guys in sandals in the line office of Costa rica is not playing the game, they gamble just like we all
                                                              Do. Just my opinion, I like u, and don't want to see u keep losing and missing out on $. Call us squares who actually cap and take the "obvious" games and win.
                                                              You say this after the Mavs -- a popular public play today -- lost? Weird time to bring that up.



                                                              Originally posted by shari91
                                                              NoCoin has been sportsbetting almost exactly as long as my kiddie has been alive. And in that time he's seen as much crazy stuff as I have as a mommy. But solely watching lines, etc will only get you so far. I read his post about Dumars and he's spot on... for some reason about Lin, I'm not sure where it's coming from other than maybe he lost some cash or something didn't go to plan according to line movement?

                                                              Tonight the Mavs were what? -2, -2.5? I'm not checking any movement... just what posters said they got. A few weeks ago they would've been -8 to -10 against the Knicks. The books told you something right there. They don't give a shit who's on the cover of a magazine. I had said to Lou/ise if we were live betting we both would've been caned because we would've bought out of our fake NY bets and jumped on the Mavs when it looked like NY was going busto with Lin out, only to see the Knicks take over again. Not just Lin... the whole team when he came back.

                                                              This isn't fake. It's heart. And a whole team believing in you when he himself said not so long ago he was crying his eyes out because he was wondering wtf he was doing with his life considering no one wanted him. Which you know NoCoin as a lifelong NBA fan. Stop thinking silly line movement crap for a bit and just enjoy. For those of you who've ridden the wave, GOOD ON YOU. And for the true NYC fans, I hope you're ecstatic. When you have people on the other side of the world... and STEVE NASH WTF?????... hoping you guys win, man, that must be an awesome feeling. Congats! xo
                                                              Again, I didn't bet the Mavs based on line movement or anything else -- but thanks for stereotyping, shari. In fact, if you look at my disaster of a thread in PT, nearly all of my losing bets I get hammered by the closer or it's because I'm taking a popular public play, like the Mavs. There was nothing in the line or the movement that indicated the Mavs were the play today BTW. Nothing.

                                                              I'm speaking as an NBA fan of over three decades here and a person who played the game beyond high school. This has nothing to do with gambling. You may see this as a feel-good story and think Lin is legit, and maybe he will prove me wrong. I just think the clock's going to strike midnight on this kid and the Knicks very, very soon.

                                                              The point isn't saying Lin doesn't belong in the league. He's proven that beyond a reasonable doubt. Did you see the stats on SportsCenter comparing his early-career success to Magic's numbers? Again, I've never seen anything like this in the NBA. Ever. It's one thing to come in and do well out of nowhere -- we see that kind of stuff all the time. Hell, guys in April bat .400 with 10 home runs and they're "the next" this or "the next" that. It happens in sports. But going for 30 and 10, 38 and 15, 35 and 15, whatever -- you're talking unprecedented numbers.

                                                              It's just very interesting to me that this kid just happens to emerge as the savior of a long-struggling franchise and can go for numbers that would make Magic blush in these prime-time slots (vs. the Lakers, vs. the Mavs, etc.) Some people may be a believer and think this is all 110% legit. I'm just left scratching my head a little about just "how good" this cat has actually been.
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                                                              • YouHave2outs
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by No coincidences

                                                                I'm officially in bizarro world now.
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                                                                • jsmithj88
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  if he was black he would be the next isiah thomas or magic johnson etc
                                                                  but hes asiant so he cant be this good, i cant believe hes this good, he shudnt be this good, its a conspiracy
                                                                  people are more racist than they realize
                                                                  there are people who are ok with the "chink in the armor" headline
                                                                  even though his resume is still brief, he shud be getting praise, not conspiracy theory
                                                                  cant the kid just be good ..... and asian at the same time?
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                                                                  • whoatommy
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by No coincidences
                                                                    I'm supposed to watch a highlight reel of Lin dunking on Columbia and Brown and be convinced? I'm officially in bizarro world now.
                                                                    BC, Georgetown, and UConn. Then NBA hopefuls in the summer league. Now the 8 NBA teams that he's beaten.
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                                                                    • shari91
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by No coincidences

                                                                      You say this after the Mavs -- a popular public play today -- lost? Weird time to bring that up.





                                                                      Again, I didn't bet the Mavs based on line movement or anything else -- but thanks for stereotyping, shari. In fact, if you look at my disaster of a thread in PT, nearly all of my losing bets I get hammered by the closer or it's because I'm taking a popular public play, like the Mavs. There was nothing in the line or the movement that indicated the Mavs were the play today BTW. Nothing.

                                                                      I'm speaking as an NBA fan of over three decades here and a person who played the game beyond high school. This has nothing to do with gambling. You may see this as a feel-good story and think Lin is legit, and maybe he will prove me wrong. I just think the clock's going to strike midnight on this kid and the Knicks very, very soon.

                                                                      The point isn't saying Lin doesn't belong in the league. He's proven that beyond a reasonable doubt. Did you see the stats on SportsCenter comparing his early-career success to Magic's numbers? Again, I've never seen anything like this in the NBA. Ever. It's one thing to come in and do well out of nowhere -- we see that kind of stuff all the time. Hell, guys in April bat .400 with 10 home runs and they're "the next" this or "the next" that. It happens in sports. But going for 30 and 10, 38 and 15, 35 and 15, whatever -- you're talking unprecedented numbers.

                                                                      It's just very interesting to me that this kid just happens to emerge as the savior of a long-struggling franchise and can go for numbers that would make Magic blush in these prime-time slots (vs. the Lakers, vs. the Mavs, etc.) Some people may be a believer and think this is all 110% legit. I'm just left scratching my head a little about just "how good" this cat has actually been.
                                                                      The thing is though he's racking up numbers on a team that didn't have a PG and were struggling in all aspects. It's not like he just emerged one day and pushed someone out of a job.

                                                                      Look at some of the stuff he did in college or with the Mavs in Summer League. He had it in him... needed to mature and probably bulk his body still but it was there. He barely played with the Warriors until they ditched him to free up cap space and then he played 7 minutes with the Rockets because they already had 3 PGs. The guy has never had a chance to play. It's the same as in any job. It'd be like me coming into SBR and 3 people already did my exact job and those people all got sick/went on preggo leave/whatever at the same time. So they'd have to bring me up. If I did well, to posters it'd look like "where the f did she come from"... but I could say, look at my work before. It's just that I never had the chance to show much. The difference is that this is in pro sport so it looks so miraculous and is hyper magnified but it happens in real life. The person who is just there waiting for a chance and they get paid a bit in the off chance a disaster happens... and when the disaster strikes, they step up. Like an understudy in a play. The guy has had a chance to study many. And he's f'n hungry. Look at Odom tonight and then look at Lin. Huge difference.

                                                                      And I should say, I still think this league is crooked as f and I always will whilst Stern is around. But sooooooo many things would have to happen to make this story play out. That last hit on Dirk today should've been a foul. And it would've made the game a bit more exciting if it was called and he hit both. That would've been some Stern magic. But it didn't happen. Linsanity will settle down at some point but he's going to be relevant. He has talent and he's smart ball wise. Guy is learning. Even from the last game to this one. He learned... don't go into the paint unless you're going to drive. Stay away or dish the bloody ball quickly as soon as you get swarmed. Simple enough but those were the mistakes he was making before. He had 7 TO's in 46mins considering he had the ball, what? 95% of the time? That's pretty remarkable. You can't fake that.
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                                                                        Originally posted by whoatommy
                                                                        BC, Georgetown, and UConn. Then NBA hopefuls in the summer league. Now the 8 NBA teams that he's beaten.
                                                                        Originally posted by shari91
                                                                        The thing is though he's racking up numbers on a team that didn't have a PG and were struggling in all aspects. It's not like he just emerged one day and pushed someone out of a job.

                                                                        Look at some of the stuff he did in college or with the Mavs in Summer League. He had it in him... needed to mature and probably bulk his body still but it was there. He barely played with the Warriors until they ditched him to free up cap space and then he played 7 minutes with the Rockets because they already had 3 PGs. The guy has never had a chance to play. It's the same as in any job. It'd be like me coming into SBR and 3 people already did my exact job and those people all got sick/went on preggo leave/whatever at the same time. So they'd have to bring me up. If I did well, to posters it'd look like "where the f did she come from"... but I could say, look at my work before. It's just that I never had the chance to show much. The difference is that this is in pro sport so it looks so miraculous and is hyper magnified but it happens in real life. The person who is just there waiting for a chance and they get paid a bit in the off chance a disaster happens... and when the disaster strikes, they step up. Like an understudy in a play. The guy has had a chance to study many. And he's f'n hungry. Look at Odom tonight and then look at Lin. Huge difference.

                                                                        And I should say, I still think this league is crooked as f and I always will whilst Stern is around. But sooooooo many things would have to happen to make this story play out. That last hit on Dirk today should've been a foul. And it would've made the game a bit more exciting if it was called and he hit both. That would've been some Stern magic. But it didn't happen. Linsanity will settle down at some point but he's going to be relevant. He has talent and he's smart ball wise. Guy is learning. Even from the last game to this one. He learned... don't go into the paint unless you're going to drive. Stay away or dish the bloody ball quickly as soon as you get swarmed. Simple enough but those were the mistakes he was making before. He had 7 TO's in 46mins considering he had the ball, what? 95% of the time? That's pretty remarkable. You can't fake that.
                                                                        You guys continue to miss the point. I'm not questioning whether or not Lin belongs in the NBA -- he obviously does. But to put up video-game like numbers that have never been accomplished before just seems a bit far-fetched to me, especially given who he's doing it for. I wish I could copy and paste the numbers on SportsCenter from earlier tonight comparing his accomplishments in such a short period of time to Magic's numbers-wise.

                                                                        Lin is an NBA player. No one can deny that. He's schooling literally the most gifted athletes and defenders on the planet like they aren't even there though -- big difference between someone who belongs in the Association and someone who completely takes it over with unprecedented success, which -- when and if scouted correctly -- this cat should not be doing. Yet somehow, magically, he is. And you, the casual fan Shari, can't get enough. Hook, line, sinker.
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