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i think with SBP if you have a big enough bankroll you should bet to win 2-3 units per system. if he is like 40-2 on both systems.
If your betting to win 1 unit 40 wins - 2 losses (16 units / 8 units per loss) = +24 units. However if you bet to win 2 units it would be similar to the JM system. We are risking 20 units on this system, so why not risk the same amount with SBP? Both systems are proven winners.
Anyways that is what im going to start doing, so i can increase my bankroll a little faster.
SBP: bet to win 2 units
sBP updated: bet to win 2 units
JM bet to win 3 units on all 3 versions
JM NHL just going to bet on C bets ML and PL and bet to win 5 units on this one, since C bets don't come around very much.Comment -
if the team is favorite then its ML if the team is a dog then its +1.5 PL. Simple system really. Use the link that Kev posted earlier, all the picks are posted on there. I also posted a spread sheet couple pages back of all the v1 plays this year ML and PL.
Talk to El Captain! he has been doing a great job on this thread this year.Comment -
Hhhmm, congrats to u That player the À bet, unfortenately i went With SBP and sacramento tonight...Comment -
Todays play is
01/26/2011 New Orleans @ Golden State - V3, A betComment -
To everyone who is NOT playing the A Bets......you missed cashing in 2 more Units Tuesday night.....
Thats just money flushed away.............................just sayin..........Comment -
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A,B,C......
However you brake it down, the system works, and as long as my bankroll keeps increasing, I'm happy.Comment -
That is exactly where the extra 29 units come from. Playing ML and PL both. My post before where i said only play ML if the team is favorite and only play PL is team is dog, that was me describing how the v1 system works with JM.
EL Captain ran the thread last year also and the ML and PL were both very profitable. It has been back tested, so you should follow it. Thats twice the amount of profit. Also there is way less juice playing the ML, at least for dogs.Comment -
Little update.
JM's NBA system:
V1record so far (finished series): 32-3
(A): 14-21
(B): 15-6
(C): 3-3
Lost series:
PHO 11/17-20
DET 12/07-10
UTA 01/17-21
V2 record so far (finished series): 16-1
(A): 12-5
(B): 2-3
(C): 2-1
Lost series:
MIN 10/30-11/03
V3 record so far (finished series): 33-1
(A): 16-18
(B): 15-3
(C): 2-1
Lost series:
CLE 12/04-07
Next JM's plays:
01/26/2011 New Orleans @ Golden State - V3, A bet
01/27/2011 Boston @ Portland - V1, A bet
01/27/2011 Houston @ Dallas - V3, A bet
01/28/2011 Washington @ Oklahoma City - V1, A bet
01/29/2011 Toronto @ Minnesota - V3, A bet
01/31/2011 Milwaukee @ L.A. Clippers - V1, A betComment -
When does the series stop, when the actual v1 system records a win. If I have Toronto +150, and Toronto +1 1/2 (-230), and they lose by one goal, I lose one and win one for a push? This would be a standard v1 win. Would this series be over at this point. Same question for betting favorites (- odds) and -1 1/2, is series over if they win by 1 and I push? He doesn't bet all three games, regardless of wins or losses, does he? He seems to have large numbers for wins and losses, which tells me he places a lot of bets.Comment -
I don't see how it was flushed away when it stayed in my pocket
On 01/12 I started the B/C only system (Dallas). Given that both systems lost the same amount of units on the Utah series, it is reasonable to compare them without that series in the comparison.
Had I continued to play the A-C I would now have 11 units profit (excl Utah loss).
But I played to win 3 units with B-C in those 11 series (only 6 winning A Bets) and I now have 15 units (excl Utah loss).
......just sayin.....
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Betting all systems only B and C. B bet $50 to win $30, C bet is $150 to win $90 (minus 50 for losing bet B = $40)
As a rule of thumb, I never play systems until November, October is preseason and too early for me.
Total Profit: $220
Betting all systems A, B, C. For A bets I will risk $10 to win $6.
Total Profit: $92
It should be noted the tracking begins with the Toronto bet on November 1st, and also should be noted that the tracking stops after the January 19th bet for New York, as thats all that has been tracked on my spreadsheet. HOWEVER, if i were to include the October bets the totals would be: A, B, and C = -$80. B and C only = $50. You see, betting on the As in the preseason up to the 19th you would actually have a net loss. Betting B and C only puts you at a net gain. So...yeah.
As you can see JW Cash, betting Bs and Cs has had a greater return this season than betting with As. Your losses total more money spent in the chase and your Bs and Cs take a hit from the losing As.
I could have saved you the trouble of reading this by telling you that the As don't have a high enough win percentage to break even, and its more profitable to skip them altogether. According to J.M. Disciple, this has been a proven method that has worked for the last 10 years.Comment -
You beat me to it Kev! Well, at least now he knows for sure we didn't miss out on anything yesterday
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http://forum.sbrforum.com/hockey-han...eason-p17.html feel free to put a shortcut on your desktop.
Despite what others have said, this is not a "Discuss whatever you like about anything to do with Morrison Free For All" thread. Morrison stuff is all over the sbr forums. This thread will lose its value to its core subscribers interested in Morrison NBA, which is its title. Yeh, lets discuss the merits of how we apply the Morrison matchups to our various money management techniques; thats really good stuff, but its gets buried in other stuff about JM NHL, JM f**kin e-mails, sbp, TPS and now, Wallco's JM NFL esque NBA system. Guys there's a whole world of discussion threads out there, only 1 double-left click away on your desktop, just waiting for us to enlighten other folk about our thoughts on the other sports and systems.
Wallco, I am very interested in your system and it certainly merits a discussion string of its own. If you start a new thread, "Chase 110" (or whatever you choose to call it) I will definitely put a shortcut to it on my desktop.
Guys, I don't want to cause offence. I'm just trying to be helpful. I've subscribed to hundreds of discussion threads on the www and most fall apart due to off-topic messages.
Kev
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Here is the back tested data for Chase 110 Sytem. Chase 110 System is described in posts #3862 and #3891, any games that resulted in a push were skipped, as if not played.Any ML favorites who were involved in losses was accurately adjusted for in money counts, so some losses were more than standard 18.44 unit losses in four game chase, because of ML favorite wagers on either (A) (B) (C) or (D). This didn't happen too often, mostly in 2008-09 season, which is why the results were so poor for that season, even though there wer still few losses. DO NOT BUY POINTS IN THIS SYSTEM.
2010-11 (47-0)
(A) 25-22
(B) 14-8
(C) 6-2
(D) 2-0
Total profit : +47 units
2009-10 (88-4)
(A) 63-29
(B) 11-18
(C) 10-8
(D) 4-4
Total profit : +11.5 units
2008-09 (86-6) THE BAD SEASON. Three losses involving large M/L. Same could happen in JM sys.
(A) 48-44
(B) 20-24
(C) 13-11
(D) 5-6 (four of these won on next bet, too risky to play).
Total loss : -51 units
2007-2008 (86-3)
(A) 58-31
(B) 18-13
(C) 6-7
(D) 4-3
Total Profit : +62.5 units
2006-07 (101-1)
(A) 64-39
(B) 23-16
(C) 11-5
(D) 4-1
Total Profit : +91.25 units
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@Wallco99 if both the Minnesota and Utah bets lose tonight, they will play each other in their next games... so lets hope that at least one of them wins tonight!Comment -
Not helpful!http://forum.sbrforum.com/hockey-han...eason-p17.html feel free to put a shortcut on your desktop.
Despite what others have said, this is not a "Discuss whatever you like about anything to do with Morrison Free For All" thread. Morrison stuff is all over the sbr forums. This thread will lose its value to its core subscribers interested in Morrison NBA, which is its title. Yeh, lets discuss the merits of how we apply the Morrison matchups to our various money management techniques; thats really good stuff, but its gets buried in other stuff about JM NHL, JM f**kin e-mails, sbp, TPS and now, Wallco's JM NFL esque NBA system. Guys there's a whole world of discussion threads out there, only 1 double-left click away on your desktop, just waiting for us to enlighten other folk about our thoughts on the other sports and systems.
Wallco, I am very interested in your system and it certainly merits a discussion string of its own. If you start a new thread, "Chase 110" (or whatever you choose to call it) I will definitely put a shortcut to it on my desktop.
Guys, I don't want to cause offence. I'm just trying to be helpful. I've subscribed to hundreds of discussion threads on the www and most fall apart due to off-topic messages.
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@ Wallco99
Looking at the long term (which is what we all should be aiming for) the system is up 161.25 units, a $100 bettor is up $16,125 since 2006. $500 bettors are up $80,625 since 2006. That's pretty good return if you ask me.
This warrants a thread of its own, though I will not bet until the next NBA season seeing as history shows its bound for a loss or two which, missing out on the entire first half of the system, may cause me to go red, it definitely is a working system. Hopefully your still around next NBA season to thread it for us. Bravo!
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I just had to post this, I finally got a response from JM on one of my many spiteful emails to him, so he does get them. It came from his personal email, I always send them to both. It was in reference to his latest email about BETol.com that he is trying to push on us. The first one is mine, then his response:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:54 PM, <Wallco******@aol.com> wrote:
Let me guess. We sign up there with some bogus promo code that you give us so they know we are your referrals, and that we bet the games under your system. So every time we log onto that site, we can be sure the lines on those games will be two points lower than all other sites or much higher juice, the same way you concockted this shit at BETUS. At least for the idiots who would put there $ there in the first place. Perhaps you should read some of the many forums about you online. You are not as well respected as you like to tell yourself you are. Actually, I believe we know your systems and play your systems better than you, and we back test everything on there, so we know your actual stats for seasons past, not the ones you fabricate on your site. I was foolish to pay for your one system. But I know every version of every sport you offer, without giving you any more money. You will never receive any more money from me, and soon, from anyone. You lie to people, and they are catching on fast. You ripped off somebody else's system, and sold it as your own, that is despicable. But as long as you are happy, good for you.
In a message dated 1/25/2011 7:30:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, raddles@gmail.com writes:
Hi Rick
Rest assured that is not true. My system is everything I have advertised it to be, and much more. I will not take offense to a handful of amateurs who type negative comments in forums each day, and consider that the general consensus of my reputation as a sports handicapper. I am sorry that is your opinion, but I am sure you are in the minority in this case.
Best regards
John Morrison, PhD
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I know this has been discussed before but if someone can confirm my math I would appreciate it! Currently we are 32-3 (Ver 1). If I was buying 3pts and getting -170 then it would cost me 18.7 units (A-1.7 units, B-4.6 units, C-12.4 units) if the bet went to the C .So by chasing 3-games this season I would be -24.1 units (32*1 unit - 3*18.7 units). Now if I was playing the B and C bets only, keeping it at the same 18 unit level (B-5.1 units, C-13.7 units), I would only be down -2.4 units (18*3 units - 3*18.8 units) for the season.Comment -
He already knows this. He uses a labby though so he can still show a profit with A bets. Its only the chase system that doesn't show a profit long term with A bets. With a labby I believe he said or someone said you only need to win 48% of the time to show a profit. In the end Labby and Chase system will both show about the same amount of profit end of the system.Comment -
SBP. Play today phoenix suns. -6.5* a C betComment -
I agree with KEV. We do need to turn down some of the other discussions about the other systems. I think its fine if we post the plays on here. HOwever, I think any discussion about the systems such as chase 110, SBP, JM NHL v1, TPS, crusher, all have their own threads for this.
I tried to find the chase 110, but I didn't see a thread for it.
KEV is right, most threads end cause we get too far off topic. Im not going to respond any more to off topic systems.
I think we should all do the same. And yes Wallco KEV is being helpful, unless you want this thread to end.Comment -
It's awful strange, I brought this exact point up about two weeks ago. I said " I thought this was a John Morrison site, it seems to be everything but". There were several responses to this, all saying that our intent was to make money, and just a JM system would get boring and limit the money we could make together. Make up your damn minds. I come up with something that may make us all some money, and you want me to hide it somewhere else, when all the peolple I want to share it with are already here, on this thread. I was just acting on your post from last week, that people need to start doing some work, and stop logging in here for a free lunch, even though, I already was doing my work. I'll tell you what, when I stop seeing TPS, SBP, NHL, Solomon,, crusher and whatever the hell else is on here, besides JM, then I will start a new thread. But until then, let the people who don't share your opinion have the option to see a decent system. Just do what I've been doing, skip the posts that don't interest you. We are all in it for the same reasons, and many of us are playing several of the systems described on here. We have actually come up with new systems based on combining some of the other. That's what makes this thread great. Why should we go to five different places, when we play the same systems and currently have one. I agree with you on NHL, we did get a little carried away there. But if we have NBA systems that are working for us, keep them in a group, I think a lot can be learned from this site the way it is. Sorry Kev. for the "not helpful" comment. But I felt you were just singleing me out, when there are several others doing similar posts, and until now, it was OK. Sorry.Comment
