John Morrison 2010 NBA

[JW Cash]

Gotta expand your horizons.....cant stick to just one income stream..............

[jphil]

You and your chair, dont you think is high time for you to chop around, dont let let your winning formular cost you extra money again.... Come on stand up

yes, i agree. I should chop around. But the night ain't over till it's over, oh whipper/shnapper you!

I kinda like my chair temporarily, thankyou. And what winning FORMULAR might ya be talkin about?

I don't know if i can stand up at this pt. Besides, Tor.(TPS), also just covered(TPS).

Come on Indy!

[lawalahmed]

I'm also on indy bcos i hardly see 2 C at a go for JM system.....my only concern is late line movement for indy from 4.0 to 5.0.....hope Indy do the work b4 JM start that crap talk again...

[lawalahmed]

I'm also on indy bcos i hardly see 2 C at a go for JM system.....my only concern is late line movement for indy from 4.0 to 5.0.....hope Indy do the work b4 JM start that crap talk again...

[juice050]

indys looking good with 20 sec left down 3

[juice050]

wow that indy and warriors game was good i must admit. ellis is a beast!

[J.M. Disciple]

no bets for tomorrow and probably nothing for sbp either since there are only 3 games. Might be a day of rest for us.

BOL to all. Do not dread the C bets. Very profitable and make sure you dont risk your bankroll! You shouldn't be in trouble Coylo if you manage your money properly. My Cbet is actually quite small.

[JW Cash]

....and of course.....Solaman goes 3-0 .....tonight............


...talk about a CASH COW...

[fotzan]

What happens with Utah? It's a C wager and I think not so many posibilities at Boston Celtics. Let's hope there will be a spread large enough so it could easy for Utah to cover.

[PanamaKid]

I'd love to follow Soloman, but you'd have no life!!

[cmdyrds]

....and of course.....Solaman goes 3-0 .....tonight............


...talk about a CASH COW...

cash,

did i miss something as i know san antonio was optional but didn't they lose both halves?

[COYLO]

i dont do money management jm lol. im an all in guy looking for the quick money. just need to sit back and re-evaluate my strategy tbh i wanted to go with sbp but i faded myself.

[GGPLAYER]

The Utah series is a perfect example of why I like to skip most A bets (V1,V3). V2 are the best version to bet on the A because they have the highest winning %. At least so far this year.

[rkelly110]

jphil, I e-mailed JM about not receiving e-mail's. He responded exactly as he did to you.
He said I canceled on the 14th, but I received an e-mail the 17th.

What a tool, always our fault.

[Freddo]

SA covers second half Nice 3-0 night for Solaman. I also got very lucky with Indy and GS. Hit on both JM indy +7 and hit GS 2nd half +5 did not listen to 2nd half of game probably would have had a stroke. went to bed knowing that at least I would win one of the two bets but what a treat this morning when I saw the final score. Both systems worked perfectly and won both. Have to put a few extra bucks in the collection basket Sunday.

[jphil]

jphil, I e-mailed JM about not receiving e-mail's. He responded exactly as he did to you.
He said I canceled on the 14th, but I received an e-mail the 17th.

What a tool, always our fault.

That's his new copy/paste. I had to again contact him yesterday. Still ain't gettin his latest e-mails, & no response yet. Could this be the end of his "e-mails for life" era?

[ok15533]

is there any college basketball system out there that is good ?

[rkelly110]

That's his new copy/paste. I had to again contact him yesterday. Still ain't gettin his latest e-mails, & no response yet. Could this be the end of his "e-mails for life" era?

Not like we need an e-mail, just look at the odds on BetUS and you know
which picks are his. I don't know about yours, 'cause you got yours
changed back.

Yeah, what ever happened to the $100 he would give you if you deposited
$500 or more at the end of the year?

Is anyone else not getting his e-mails?

[imotiv8]

Utah will cover tomm, dont worry

[J.M. Disciple]

i dont do money management jm lol. im an all in guy looking for the quick money. just need to sit back and re-evaluate my strategy tbh i wanted to go with sbp but i faded myself.

Bet to win 1% on SBP of your bankroll
bet to win 2-3% on JM B and cover your losses with C (buying 3pts) Should end up being around 20% after C bet is finish

My only question is when do i increase my unit size? Do i increase and decrease it every day after a series win / loss?

I.E
$1k bankroll = $10 unit size
When i reach $1100 do i increase it to $11 unit size?
not sure when to drop down unit size or increase unit size. Advice is appreciate. Thank you

[Wilba]

Hi JM disciple - many people would disagree with me and say to re-evaluate what 10% of your bank roll is every time you increase it, but I feel strongly that changing your unit amounts throughout the season is a very bad way to do things is. My reasoning for this is that, every time you have a good winning streak, some losses are just around the corner. If you increase your unit size after a good win streak, you will increase it just in time to lose MORE money when you get the inevitable losses. Similarly with a losing streak - after a loss streak wins are just around the corner. If you decrease your unit size after a loss streak, then you win LESS on the inevitable wins that are coming.

I feel very strongly that you should use the same unit size all the way through the season. Pick one at the start of the season (or now, for you) that is sensible, and allows you to keep the same unit size playing, even after a loss streak. That way you ensure you are not increasing your unit size every time losses are due, and decreasing your unit size every time wins are due. When the next season rolls around, reevaluate a sensible unit size.

I know that many will disagree with me on this, but I actually feel very strongly about what I posted. Been doing this for 6 years and my 6 years of experience tells me very strongly that changing unit size in middle of season, and particularly that ramping up unit sizes after a good win streak (when losses are always due) is a very bad idea

[dukipl]

Utah needs Karl " the Mailman " Malone back for the C Bet against Boston........just sayin....

yeah they need "Stockalone" -> the mailman and stockton

[juice050]

wow so wilba youve been doing this for 6 years?! so are u rich yet?

[Wilba]

Wouldn't say I'm 'rich', but I am certainly more than comfortable.

My first 2 years of betting i lost money, mainly betting for fun. Next 1.5 years I worked hard on it and became profitable enough to quit my job and live off it for the next 2 years. Recently gone back to work because I got a very good job offer doing interesting work, but the silly thing is I now make less money than I was a year ago betting! To be fair though, when I was living off it, I was working 70-80 hour weeks on it, and now I work more like 40-50 hrs a week. Now I have more time to enjoy watching the fewer games I bet on! When I was betting full time I got up every morning 6am and worked, worked, worked thru til dinner, coz I loved it! Don't have as much time for it anymore, pretty much I just use my account now to pull money out for holidays, or a new TV, stuff like that.

[Wilba]

well Wilba, I was debating on the tone of this reply to you, but seeing that most of us, including me, respect your back testing and statistical information, I wouldn't dare taking this to a negative level.

you're telling guys like stevex, wallco and obviously myself that we will get burned and this time you say that we're flushing away our money by not buying the points.

and that opinion has nothing to do with it? Stats are important, and the ones you've provided have been very useful, thanks and hope you keep it up. The regulars here really value you're contributions. I've knocked you once before for your long replies, but you've got that in check and it's all good. So i guess i gotta get to my point now.

You're opinion is to base your betting strategy solely on the stats, specifically when only betting each series with a 3 game chase and starting over on a new series with the base bet if a C bet loses. losing a chase with -180 or more odds will make it very hard to continue chasing into another series. So those who buy the points must stop right there and start fresh next time.

Now if you don't buy the points and lose, like the mavs did today, it's a lot easier to chase that C bet loss when the losses are only a small fraction compared to the conventional method. I still don't recommend chasing into a new series.

Instead a simple 1 line labby will hold on to the loss and either distribute it evenly or be used with another loss for the next series. I normally wait for a B or C to use that number on my line and use two (or sometimes one) of the smallest numbers on the line for the upcoming A bet. My labby is only there to make sure i never lose sight of the previous losses and maintain the goal of clearing that line for a gain of 2 units. (x-x-x-x = 2 units)

I include all game 3's or 4's from crusher and sbp c's or d's into this 1 line i'm using. I use a lot more than statistical knowledge to decide which numbers I will clear on my line. My numbers are never evenly distributed. Each number indicates the weight of the next bet. A higher weight must be placed when there are other factors or stats to consider, like the likelihood of JM losing 3 in a row or 2 V1's in a row or 4 crusher losses, team hot streaks, etc,..

There is also the fear and hesitation many JM betters get when chasing into a C or losing that C and continuing a chase. Sometimes the discipline falls out the window and people either over or underbet. They face higher losses or not winning enough to cover the losses. Please nod to yourself guys if you've experienced this.

I've played all JM systems in the last 3 years. I made huge profits chasing the conventional way and always bought the points. then I experienced huge losses using the exact same method. Fear and the on tilt feelings interfere with judgements and stats.

I really like your B and C method and you've got stats behind it to validate it. I'll never discredit that. I've got a method shared by others to keep the juice low and carrying over losses to an upcoming series while keeping a labby and looking to cash on our other favorite systems that fall into a 3rd of fourth game.

I kindly ask that you refrain from confidently proclaiming that some of us are burning, flushing or doing anything else with our earnings. There are a lot more details to my approach but it's based on years of understanding these systems, labby lines, martingale chasing, and also flat betting which I also make a profit from with careful bankroll management

let's continue sharing thoughts, stats, opinions and steer clear from bold statements that do not take into account the experience and knowledge that many of our guys here have learned and continue to practice.

this is going to be a good season. Let's keep it up gentlemen (and ladies?).

BOL

dude.. are you series.. how many times do I have to say this, but I will say it again.

If you are betting using a labby, I can offer no insight as to what is more or less profitable, using 1 line, 2 lines, buying points, not buying points. I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THESE THINGS AS I HAVE NO WAY OF BACKTESTING THEM.

FFS I have stated this loud and clear at least 20 times in this thread, and I still get responses like this?? seriously

I CAN OFFER NO INSIGHT INTO PLAYING THE SYSTEM WITH A LABBY/LABBY VARIANT. I CAN ONLY OFFER CONCRETE FACTS ABOUT WHAT IS MORE OR LESS PROFITABLE WHEN PLAYING THE SYSTEM TRADITIONALLY, AS A CHASE.

do you get it yet, should I copy and paste again???

My post that your above reply was referring to, was talking about using the system IN THE TRADITIONAL WAY, IE CHASING one series, if the series loses it is over.

And there is concrete proof over a 10 year period that you make good money every season by playing the system this way and buying the points. There is also concrete evidence (provided INDEPENDANTLY by krzychu78, as well as myself) that if you dont buy the points WHEN PLAYING THE SYSTEM TRADITIONALLY, AS A CHASE, that some of these winning seasons will be turned into LOSING seasons, not buying has never profited more than buying points, and that not buying the points WHEN PLAYING THE SYSTEM TRADITIONALLY, AS A CHASE will cost you a lot of money over the long term.

Please show me why what I have just stated is NOT a fact, and how a statistical fact has anything to do with opinion

I don't think I have ever gotten fully annoyed with anyone in this thread before, ever. But your post seriously gives me the shits. One more time in case you somehow missed it, again:

I CAN OFFER NO INSIGHT INTO PLAYING THE SYSTEM WITH A LABBY/LABBY VARIANT. I CAN ONLY OFFER CONCRETE FACTS ABOUT WHAT IS MORE OR LESS PROFITABLE WHEN PLAYING THE SYSTEM TRADITIONALLY, AS A CHASE.

Will I ever have to repeat this again? I bloody hope the answer is no.

[stevex]

Instead of going back and forth, it's pretty simple.

1. Do the 3 game chase WITH buying the 3 points.
2. Do the labby WITH buying the points.
3. Do the labby WITHOUT buying the points.

All 3 of those options = same profit at the end of the season.....

Now if you want to lose money......

1. Do the 3-game chase WITHOUT buying the 3 points.

There you have it folks.....

[Wilba]

absolutely stevex, well said my friend.

go utah tomorrow guys! hoping for a big game from them after 2 very poor performances. $$$

[mtbaker]

really tough game tonight I am not even sure who's going to win between the Mavs and Bulls. I lean Dallas but there are alot of reason to like the Bulls as well- good luck

[JW Cash]

Instead of going back and forth, it's pretty simple.

1. Do the 3 game chase WITH buying the 3 points.
2. Do the labby WITH buying the points.
3. Do the labby WITHOUT buying the points.

All 3 of those options = same profit at the end of the season.....

Now if you want to lose money......

1. Do the 3-game chase WITHOUT buying the 3 points.

There you have it folks.....

Or do the 3-game chase WITH buying 3 Beers.............


Better Yet...



( btw ) thats Bud in those mugs.....

[dlunc3]

utah +6 tomorrow....should be fun..

[atari5200]

wilba you need to f*cking relax. I've been more than respectful. Now it's time to tell you to shut your f*cking mouth.

I hope the rest of you got some insight to another one of the many methods to play the systems. I was just trying to share some of my personal betting info and asking for people to not try and bring people down with negative comments.

but..some people seem to thrive on negativity, so once again wilba, take your annoyed self and go f*ck yourself.

[Wallco99]

He is a cocky little "Sheila", isn't he?

[juice050]

Wouldn't say I'm 'rich', but I am certainly more than comfortable.

My first 2 years of betting i lost money, mainly betting for fun. Next 1.5 years I worked hard on it and became profitable enough to quit my job and live off it for the next 2 years. Recently gone back to work because I got a very good job offer doing interesting work, but the silly thing is I now make less money than I was a year ago betting! To be fair though, when I was living off it, I was working 70-80 hour weeks on it, and now I work more like 40-50 hrs a week. Now I have more time to enjoy watching the fewer games I bet on! When I was betting full time I got up every morning 6am and worked, worked, worked thru til dinner, coz I loved it! Don't have as much time for it anymore, pretty much I just use my account now to pull money out for holidays, or a new TV, stuff like that.

ooo ok kool.live it up wilba do your thing homie. im trying to make some profit my dam self.

[fotzan]

Not like we need an e-mail, just look at the odds on BetUS and you know
which picks are his. I don't know about yours, 'cause you got yours
changed back.

Yeah, what ever happened to the $100 he would give you if you deposited
$500 or more at the end of the year?

Is anyone else not getting his e-mails?

How can you see which pick are his at BetUs ? from the odds Can you see them even if you are not a customer or you don't have an account?

[million2one]

Good Luck tonight folks,

I think we have a good line on Utah (IMO), as Boston has been struggling to cover at home lately.
But remember nothing is a lock and I would never risk my whole bankroll on one game.