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  • Jay Edgar
    SBR MVP
    • 03-08-06
    • 1576

    #1
    Jay Edgar NBA, Report at 4/10ths Mark of Regular Season
    First the headlines, then in the following post the complete listing of plays.


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    FULL YTD

    Moneyline (risking 1 unit on each play)
    129 wins, 217 losses
    +38.79 units

    Against the Spread (risking 1.05 to make 1.00 unit)
    186 wins, 155 losses, 5 pushes (.545)
    +23.25 units

    COMMENT: Very pleased that the simple baseline continues to work over such a wide number of plays. Still, almost halfway through the season, blindly making the ML bet and the ATS bet whenever the Pinny ML appears as if it will close above the strike price has created both action on the majority of games and a meaningful profit.



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    MONTH BY MONTH
    (note: Dec 28-31 I was away, and without closing Pinny MLs those games can't be tracked accurately)

    ML PLAYS
    OCT 1-0, +3.15u
    NOV 60-91 +22.89u
    DEC (1st-27th) 57-104, +11.66u
    JAN (1st-6th) 11-22, +1.09u

    ATS PLAYS
    OCT 1-0, +1.00u
    NOV 84-67 (.556), +13.65u
    DEC (1st-27th) 82-76 (.519) +2.20u
    JAN (1st-6th) 19-12 (.613) +6.40u

    COMMENT: The very fast start in November made me wonder if, once the linemakers adjusted, the value of the plays would go away. This hasn't happened. The winning has continued, although not at the same pace.

    I am actually optimistic that the end of football season will bring more casual action on the NBA, which may create more value. I remember being astounded last year at how well the top Wagerline consensus plays did against the line in the first half of the NBA season. In January though, that turned on a dime.


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    GAP BETWEEN EDGAR ML AND CLOSING PINNY ML

    COMMENT: This time I've blindly grouped these in 3% intervals, without trying to find patterns. But the results still show the same thing as they have all year -- when the Edgar Line is most extremely far off from the closing Pinny ML, it is not as effective. This is particularly true with the moneyline.

    MONEYLINE PLAYS
    %OFF--W--L--NET units
    5-7% 35-39 +20.80
    8-10% 36-46 +23.73
    11-13% 16-38 -2.46
    14-16% 17-31 -0.56
    17-19% 10-18 +3.36
    20-23% 7-17 -2.63
    23-26% 4-15 -1.10
    27-30% 3-8 -0.50
    33+% 1-5 -1.85

    ATS PLAYS
    %OFF--W--L--NET units
    5-7% 44-30 +12.50
    8-10% 50-32 +16.40
    11-13% 28-26 +0.70
    14-16% 28-18 +9.10
    17-19% 14-13 +0.35
    20-23% 9-15 -6.75
    23-26% 5-12 -7.60
    27-30% 5-6 -1.30
    33+% 3-3 -0.15


    In sum:
    5-10% off -- spectacularly strong both ATS and ML
    11-19% off -- strong ATS (55%), mediocre ML
    20%+ off -- consistenly below par

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    MOST FREQUENT PLAY-ON TEAMS

    COMMENT This chart is really revealing to me. Important truth: it is very strong human nature not to want to play the ugly-ass teams. But that's where the profit is. I'm not saying it's the only way, but it is definintely a way that works

    Look at the teams at the bottom of the list, and tell me that's not 85% of the national TV schedule. TV = public teams = inflated lines = no Edgar ML method plays.

    Of course, DAL, PHX, and SA deserve their reputation, as we keep finding out when I have to go against them. But there's no good reason that the Denver Nuggets should be priced out of regular Edgar Line play. But they have a highly marketed player, and they pretty much suck, so there you go.


    #PLAYS--TEAM--ML$--ATS$
    26 POR 1997 140
    25 NY 1184 40
    23 ATL 466 -160
    23 CHA 58 -670
    21 MEM -1064 50
    21 PHI -1051 -255
    21 TOR 507 870
    20 NOK 254 155
    17 BOS -19 60
    17 SEA -980 60
    14 MIN 584 785
    13 MIL -39 70
    10 GS 165 180
    10 MIA -305 285
    10 NJ -95 385
    9 IND -473 -225
    9 SAC -190 -330
    8 HOU -81 -225
    7 LAC -500 -530
    7 UTH 1010 495
    7 WAS 968 290
    6 DEN -185 -15
    6 LAX 701 295
    6 ORL 444 190
    4 DET 255 195
    3 CHI -300 -110
    2 DAL 418 200
    1 CLE 150 100
    0 PHX
    0 SA

    There are some gems in the middle of this list, too -- and as you'd expect, they are the decidedly non-public, non-TV teams like UTH, WAS, MIN. The Utah Jazz are 7-0 straight up and 6-1 ATS when they qualify.

    There's also one profitable Public-Team-That-The-Public-Is-Tired-Of. And that's the LA Lakers, the Indianapolis Colts of the NBA.
    Last edited by Jay Edgar; 01-07-07, 02:56 AM.
  • Jay Edgar
    SBR MVP
    • 03-08-06
    • 1576

    #2
    Here's the entire season.

    I am sorry that I do not know how to make this more appealing visually.

    Across the top, the columns are:

    date of play
    % gap from closing Pinny ML
    team played
    ATS result
    ML result on $100 risk


    DATE-%GAP-TEAM-ATS-ML$
    31-Oct 34 LAX WIN 315

    1-Nov 16 SAC LOSS -100
    1-Nov 13 MEM LOSS -213
    1-Nov 22 LAX WIN 265
    1-Nov 16 UTH WIN 101
    1-Nov 6 POR WIN 360
    1-Nov 5 ORL WIN 101
    1-Nov 5 NO WIN 142

    3-Nov 13 POR LOSS -100
    3-Nov 12 MEM WIN 100
    3-Nov 6 UTH WIN 248
    3-Nov 8 PHI WIN 193
    3-Nov 5 ATL WIN 100

    4-Nov 13 NY LOSS -100
    4-Nov 11 MEM LOSS -100
    4-Nov 7 BOS WIN -100
    4-Nov 8 POR WIN 148
    4-Nov 11 CHA WIN 165

    5-Nov 17 TOR LOSS -100
    5-Nov 5 LAX LOSS -100
    5-Nov 15 PHI WIN 124
    5-Nov 13 ATL WIN 140
    5-Nov 6 NO WIN 100

    6-Nov 16 NY LOSS -100
    6-Nov 11 POR LOSS -100
    6-Nov 6 MIL LOSS -100
    6-Nov 6 DET WIN -100
    6-Nov 11 GS WIN 420

    7-Nov 23 MEM LOSS -100
    7-Nov 8 PHI LOSS -100
    7-Nov 9 SEA WIN -100
    7-Nov 11 MIN WIN -100
    7-Nov 10 ATL WIN 505

    8-Nov 5 IND LOSS -100
    8-Nov 15 POR WIN 179
    8-Nov 14 SEA WIN -100
    8-Nov 8 NY WIN 510
    8-Nov 8 LAC WIN 100
    8-Nov 7 CHA WIN -100

    10-Nov 8 BOS LOSS -100
    10-Nov 6 NJ LOSS -172
    10-Nov 5 ORL LOSS -100
    10-Nov 7 PHI LOSS -130
    10-Nov 12 DET WIN 200
    10-Nov 12 NY WIN -100
    10-Nov 7 POR WIN 126

    11-Nov 8 MIL LOSS -107
    11-Nov 6 DET LOSS -100
    11-Nov 5 IND LOSS -100
    11-Nov 24 MEM WIN -100
    11-Nov 15 NY WIN -100
    11-Nov 13 BOS WIN -100
    11-Nov 5 ORL WIN 187

    12-Nov 27 POR LOSS -100
    12-Nov 21 CHA LOSS -100
    12-Nov 17 MEM LOSS -100
    12-Nov 6 TOR LOSS -100
    12-Nov 5 NJ WIN 199

    13-Nov 25 NY LOSS -100
    13-Nov 5 BOS LOSS -108

    14-Nov 19 POR LOSS -100
    14-Nov 8 HOU LOSS -118
    14-Nov 6 CHA LOSS -100
    14-Nov 7 CHI LOSS -100
    14-Nov 14 UTH WIN 105
    14-Nov 12 ATL WIN 100

    15-Nov 16 POR LOSS -100
    15-Nov 14 NY WIN 138
    15-Nov 9 CHA WIN 815
    15-Nov 11 MEM WIN -100
    15-Nov 8 BOS WIN 105
    15-Nov 10 NOK WIN 325

    17-Nov 23 MEM LOSS -100
    17-Nov 14 POR LOSS -100
    17-Nov 10 CHI LOSS -100
    17-Nov 9 PHI LOSS -100
    17-Nov 6 WAS LOSS -100
    17-Nov 7 MIN LOSS -100
    17-Nov 22 NY WIN 360
    17-Nov 13 TOR WIN -100
    17-Nov 11 UTH WIN 173
    17-Nov 8 NJ WIN 178

    18-Nov 20 ATL LOSS -148
    18-Nov 14 MIL LOSS -175
    18-Nov 5 UTH LOSS 100
    18-Nov 6 CHA LOSS -100
    18-Nov 10 SEA LOSS -100
    18-Nov 5 HOU LOSS -100
    18-Nov 10 NY LOSS -115
    18-Nov 18 MEM WIN -100
    18-Nov 8 POR WIN 370
    18-Nov 8 NOK WIN 129
    18-Nov 8 PHI WIN -100
    18-Nov 9 TOR WIN -100

    19-Nov 20 SAC LOSS -100

    20-Nov 28 POR LOSS -100
    20-Nov 22 NY LOSS -100
    20-Nov 15 CHA LOSS -100
    20-Nov 29 GS WIN -100
    20-Nov 16 MEM WIN 144
    20-Nov 8 TOR WIN -100
    20-Nov 5 SEA WIN 100

    21-Nov 18 PHI LOSS -100
    21-Nov 15 MEM WIN -100
    21-Nov 7 NOK WIN 100
    21-Nov 6 DEN WIN 100

    22-Nov 13 NY LOSS -100
    22-Nov 13 NOK LOSS -100
    22-Nov 12 GS LOSS -185
    22-Nov 25 POR WIN 160
    22-Nov 17 TOR WIN 116
    22-Nov 7 UTH WIN 173
    22-Nov 8 SEA WIN 220
    22-Nov 5 ATL WIN -100

    24-Nov 10 CHA LOSS -100
    24-Nov 18 MEM WIN 122
    24-Nov 11 SAC WIN 240
    24-Nov 5 DAL WIN 193
    24-Nov 5 MIN WIN 178
    24-Nov 5 IND WIN 100
    24-Nov 9 PHI WIN 107

    25-Nov 25 NY LOSS -100
    25-Nov 13 CHA LOSS -145
    25-Nov 8 POR LOSS -100
    25-Nov 8 ATL LOSS -100
    25-Nov 9 NOK LOSS -100
    25-Nov 7 PHI LOSS -100
    25-Nov 17 MEM WIN -100
    25-Nov 14 MIN WIN 127
    25-Nov 14 GS WIN 107

    26-Nov 22 POR LOSS -100
    26-Nov 21 SEA LOSS -100
    26-Nov 6 DEN WIN -100
    26-Nov 10 TOR WIN 100

    27-Nov 28 GS WIN 160
    27-Nov 15 MIN WIN -100
    27-Nov 7 ORL WIN 248

    28-Nov 14 NY LOSS -100
    28-Nov 9 POR LOSS -100
    28-Nov 14 MEM WIN 400
    28-Nov 13 MIN WIN -100
    28-Nov 11 ATL WIN -100
    28-Nov 8 TOR WIN 165
    28-Nov 11 CHA WIN 270

    29-Nov 25 TOR LOSS -100
    29-Nov 18 HOU LOSS -100
    29-Nov 12 MEM LOSS -100
    29-Nov 12 BOS LOSS -136
    29-Nov 14 NY WIN 490
    29-Nov 14 UTH WIN 110
    29-Nov 6 ATL WIN 100

    30-Nov 14 MIA WIN -100

    1-Dec 23 ATL LOSS -100
    1-Dec 14 NOK LOSS -100
    1-Dec 11 CHA LOSS -100
    1-Dec 9 MIN LOSS -116
    1-Dec 10 SAC LOSS -100
    1-Dec 12 MIL WIN -100
    1-Dec 6 IND WIN -100
    1-Dec 9 POR WIN -100
    1-Dec 9 NY WIN -100
    1-Dec 6 TOR WIN 100

    2-Dec 16 MEM LOSS -117
    2-Dec 11 SEA WIN -100
    2-Dec 10 SAC WIN -100
    2-Dec 9 PHI WIN -100
    2-Dec 8 LAX WIN 134

    3-Dec 17 CHA WIN 175
    3-Dec 5 MIN WIN 118

    4-Dec 13 GS LOSS -100
    4-Dec 11 MIL LOSS -100
    4-Dec 9 IND LOSS -100
    4-Dec 9 BOS LOSS -100
    4-Dec 8 WAS WIN 152

    5-Dec 15 SAC LOSS -100
    5-Dec 8 NJ LOSS -100
    5-Dec 23 POR WIN 550
    5-Dec 8 MIA WIN -100

    6-Dec 30 CHA LOSS -100
    6-Dec 12 NY LOSS -100
    6-Dec 12 PHI LOSS -100
    6-Dec 22 TOR WIN -100
    6-Dec 7 NOK WIN 375
    6-Dec 9 MIN WIN 100
    6-Dec 5 ATL WIN 580

    7-Dec 5 MIA WIN 190
    7-Dec 6 NJ WIN -100
    7-Dec 6 DET WIN 255

    8-Dec 18 CHA LOSS -100
    8-Dec 14 BOS LOSS -100
    8-Dec 11 PHI LOSS -100
    8-Dec 9 LAC LOSS -100
    8-Dec 6 MEM LOSS -100
    8-Dec 11 ATL LOSS -100
    8-Dec 7 POR LOSS -100
    8-Dec 8 MIA LOSS -100
    8-Dec 16 TOR WIN -100
    8-Dec 14 MIN WIN 102

    9-Dec 20 MEM LOSS -100
    9-Dec 16 IND LOSS -100
    9-Dec 12 NOK LOSS -100
    9-Dec 6 WAS LOSS -100
    9-Dec 10 DEN LOSS -100
    9-Dec 12 BOS WIN 333
    9-Dec 11 PHI WIN -100
    9-Dec 9 NY WIN 100
    9-Dec 11 MIN WIN 312

    10-Dec 24 CHA LOSS -100
    10-Dec 20 ATL LOSS -100
    10-Dec 6 SEA LOSS 100
    10-Dec 21 LAX WIN 187
    10-Dec 9 POR WIN 290

    11-Dec 21 LAC LOSS -100
    11-Dec 20 IND LOSS -100
    11-Dec 19 MEM LOSS -100
    11-Dec 10 ORL LOSS -100
    11-Dec 10 TOR LOSS -100
    11-Dec 17 NOK WIN 183
    11-Dec 8 POR WIN 160

    12-Dec 35 ATL LOSS -100
    12-Dec 15 HOU LOSS -114
    12-Dec 8 SEA WIN -100

    13-Dec 18 LAC LOSS -100
    13-Dec 16 MIN LOSS -100
    13-Dec 15 SEA LOSS -100
    13-Dec 9 ATL LOSS -100
    13-Dec 11 MIL LOSS -100
    13-Dec 10 PHI LOSS -100
    13-Dec 16 LAX PUSH -100
    13-Dec 43 MIA WIN -100
    13-Dec 24 TOR WIN 520
    13-Dec 14 IND WIN 127
    13-Dec 9 POR WIN 181
    13-Dec 10 WAS WIN 100
    13-Dec 8 CHA WIN -100

    14-Dec 19 NOK LOSS -100
    14-Dec 9 CHA WIN 108
    14-Dec 10 HOU WIN -100

    15-Dec 14 SEA LOSS -100
    15-Dec 5 NY LOSS -100
    15-Dec 23 MIA PUSH -100
    15-Dec 22 POR WIN 138
    15-Dec 19 PHI WIN -100
    15-Dec 18 TOR WIN 133
    15-Dec 16 BOS WIN 131
    15-Dec 16 ATL WIN 305
    15-Dec 15 GS WIN -100
    15-Dec 5 SAC WIN 270
    15-Dec 5 MIL WIN -100

    16-Dec 29 NY LOSS -100
    16-Dec 27 NOK LOSS -100
    16-Dec 12 SAC LOSS -100
    16-Dec 7 NJ LOSS -100
    16-Dec 16 ATL WIN -100
    16-Dec 9 MIL WIN 118
    16-Dec 8 MIA WIN 100
    16-Dec 7 ORL WIN 108
    16-Dec 9 BOS WIN 143

    17-Dec 14 SEA WIN -100
    17-Dec 8 WAS WIN 200
    17-Dec 10 TOR WIN 113

    18-Dec 21 SAC LOSS -100
    18-Dec 12 SEA LOSS -100
    18-Dec 9 GS LOSS -100
    18-Dec 30 NY WIN 320
    18-Dec 21 DEN WIN 158
    18-Dec 5 NOK WIN -100

    19-Dec 23 TOR LOSS -100

    20-Dec 26 SEA LOSS -100
    20-Dec 20 ATL LOSS -100
    20-Dec 14 PHI LOSS -100
    20-Dec 7 BOS LOSS -119
    20-Dec 22 POR WIN 190
    20-Dec 17 NOK WIN -100
    20-Dec 17 TOR WIN 360
    20-Dec 9 MEM WIN -100
    20-Dec 5 MIL WIN 100
    20-Dec 6 NJ WIN 100

    21-Dec 10 WAS WIN 164

    22-Dec 19 ATL LOSS -100
    22-Dec 18 DEN LOSS -143
    22-Dec 12 BOS LOSS -143
    22-Dec 10 LAC LOSS -100
    22-Dec 27 CHA WIN 270
    22-Dec 18 NY WIN 204
    22-Dec 18 WAS WIN 552
    22-Dec 15 NO WIN 100
    22-Dec 12 HOU WIN 350
    22-Dec 11 GS WIN 163
    22-Dec 11 MIL WIN 240

    23-Dec 33 NOK LOSS -100
    23-Dec 12 CHA LOSS -100
    23-Dec 10 TOR LOSS -100
    23-Dec 11 ATL LOSS -100
    23-Dec 9 GS LOSS -100
    23-Dec 15 MEM WIN -100
    23-Dec 7 MIL WIN 100

    25-Dec 8 MIA WIN 105

    26-Dec 6 HOU LOSS -100
    26-Dec 6 PHI LOSS -100
    26-Dec 7 LAC LOSS -100
    26-Dec 26 POR LOSS -100
    26-Dec 19 CHA PUSH -100
    26-Dec 6 NJ WIN -100
    26-Dec 8 MIN WIN 103
    26-Dec 15 MIL WIN 360

    27-Dec 10 PHI LOSS -100
    27-Dec 13 BOS LOSS -100
    27-Dec 20 CHA LOSS -100
    27-Dec 26 ATL LOSS -100
    27-Dec 5 HOU WIN 201
    27-Dec 9 TOR WIN 100
    27-Dec 21 NY WIN 187

    1-Jan 22 CHA LOSS -100
    1-Jan 6 BOS WIN 245

    2-Jan 10 NY LOSS -100
    2-Jan 17 NOK LOSS -100
    2-Jan 18 SEA LOSS -100
    2-Jan 9 PHI WIN 255
    2-Jan 18 CLE WIN 150
    2-Jan 20 CHI WIN -100

    3-Jan 29 MIA LOSS -100
    3-Jan 26 PHI PUSH -100
    3-Jan 6 NY WIN 212
    3-Jan 11 SEA WIN -100
    3-Jan 16 BOS WIN -100
    3-Jan 25 MIN WIN 160
    3-Jan 27 TOR WIN -100

    4-Jan 25 NOK LOSS -100
    4-Jan 15 IND PUSH -100

    5-Jan 6 ATL LOSS -100
    5-Jan 7 LAC LOSS -100
    5-Jan 8 MIL LOSS -175
    5-Jan 16 CHA LOSS -100
    5-Jan 20 MIA LOSS -100
    5-Jan 6 NJ WIN 100
    5-Jan 9 BOS WIN 230
    5-Jan 9 NY WIN 178
    5-Jan 11 DAL WIN 225
    5-Jan 13 PHI WIN -100

    6-Jan 17 ATL WIN 184
    6-Jan 7 NJ WIN -100
    6-Jan 35 NOK WIN -100
    6-Jan 36 DEN LOSS -100
    6-Jan 12 POR WIN 445
    6-Jan 10 SEA WIN -100
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    • Dark Horse
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 12-14-05
      • 13764

      #3
      Great stuff

      Thanks for all the hard work.
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      • AC1318
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 10-09-06
        • 6712

        #4
        J edgar
        I do the same with hockey dogs
        If you compare the numbers there is even more value in NHL
        this may be to the fact of less games played
        I didn't crunch it all the way through
        but since it has been profitable I have stuck with it
        To limit expense I stick with home dogs
        I also do the same in MLB
        I don't win much but turn a consistent profit
        Last edited by AC1318; 01-07-07, 10:18 AM.
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        • EBone
          SBR MVP
          • 08-10-05
          • 1787

          #5
          Jay, this is extremely impressive. I haven't bet basketball in years because of the work it takes to be on top of it (at least that is my perception).


          Tremendous work!!!!!! I don't think people realize just how time consuming this stuff can be when you have a systematic approach. Great job.




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          • AC1318
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 10-09-06
            • 6712

            #6
            From your experience
            Does this seem to even out by the end of the season
            where the ML favs turn it up a notch making up for the early season success of the dogs?
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            • Hulu
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 07-17-06
              • 664

              #7
              This is really excellent work Jay. Thank you very much for the effort, it really is appreciated.

              You theorized that the end of football season might have a positive impact on your system by bringing in more public money on basketball and thus creating more value. Something I noted in your 3/10 review though is that the system plays on Saturday were consistently worse than the other 6 days of the week. I remember thinking at the time that perhaps it was because Saturday sees the most amount of public money pouring into the books. It will be interesting to see how this plays out for the remainder of the season...if the expected increase in public money turns out to be a good thing or a bad thing.
              Last edited by Hulu; 01-07-07, 11:02 AM.
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              • bigboydan
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 08-10-05
                • 55420

                #8
                Jay always posts very strong stuff. More people should always check his daily breakdowns, and compare notes before making there plays.
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                • Jay Edgar
                  SBR MVP
                  • 03-08-06
                  • 1576

                  #9
                  Thanks all.

                  AC318, as for NHL, I have no doubt. Go get 'em.

                  Even doing the NBA alone, I'm not getting enough rest, so I stay away from hockey and international buckets -- but I'm very curious about what the same methods would achieve there.

                  On what happens in the second half of the year, I guess we'll find out. This is the first season that I have been this systematic about things. Many people say you need to bail out of any pro season about the time that the bad teams start mailing it in with regularity, and that makes sense to me.
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                  • Jay Edgar
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-08-06
                    • 1576

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hulu
                    This is really excellent work Jay. Thank you very much for the effort, it really is appreciated.

                    You theorized that the end of football season might have a positive impact on your system by bringing in more public money on basketball and thus creating more value. Something I noted in your 3/10 review though is that the system plays on Saturday were consistently worse than the other 6 days of the week. I remember thinking at the time that perhaps it was because Saturday sees the most amount of public money pouring into the books. It will be interesting to see how this plays out for the remainder of the season...if the expected increase in public money turns out to be a good thing or a bad thing.
                    Hulu, I don't know what to make about Saturday nights. To further confuse things, last night was tremendous for the plays ATS.
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                    • AC1318
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-09-06
                      • 6712

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jay Edgar
                      Thanks all.

                      AC318, as for NHL, I have no doubt. Go get 'em.

                      Even doing the NBA alone, I'm not getting enough rest, so I stay away from hockey and international buckets -- but I'm very curious about what the same methods would achieve there.

                      On what happens in the second half of the year, I guess we'll find out. This is the first season that I have been this systematic about things. Many people say you need to bail out of any pro season about the time that the bad teams start mailing it in with regularity, and that makes sense to me.
                      Sure,

                      I will now be following the stats the rest of the season
                      As I am a home dog bettor I only followed that in NBA and it didn't seem to pan out but will now look at dog teams as awhole home and away.
                      Thanks
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