The JM "Chase system" $1000 bank roll

MadStu · 03-30-09, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

Sportsbook.com. Will you get paid if you beat them out of 20k? No -200.

Beted... I'd be surprised if they let you beat them out of any amount using that promotion.

Have any of these chase players made a 20k withdrawal successfully from any book?

OK, you're probably right then.

BrandonLaz · 03-30-09, 09:13 AM

Has anyone gotten any info on the baseball system yet and how it works. I am looking forward to cashing in off of it just like I did the basketball system this season.

Coza · 03-30-09, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by GoGoGadget

One loss would cost him about $1100. And I dont know why he would start at betting 100 on A with a roll of 1000. One loss your busto.

I have season results broken down by ABC wins, losses, b pushes(1.7u loss) and c pushes(6.29 losses) for both the Cartytay and JM systems from 2000-08 along with the unit totals per year. Ill try to post it tomorrow if anyone is interested.

I am interested in that. Post it.

GoGoGadget · 03-30-09, 04:09 PM

I have all the years broken down by teams, so if anyone wants to know which teams made up the losses in each year let me know.

mcbain · 03-30-09, 04:19 PM

Great stuff, GGG.

By all means post which teams were the losers; I would be interested.

Vincepcion · 03-30-09, 05:07 PM

Awesome work GGG

alukk · 03-30-09, 06:35 PM

wow the winner seasons gives u a lot of profit

alukk · 03-30-09, 06:37 PM

nice work gadget

rjohnny · 03-30-09, 06:37 PM

along with the losses can you post the date of the loss. My thoughts being the cartary system has a large percentage of losses towards the end of the season. thanks

GoGoGadget · 03-30-09, 09:11 PM

Losses

07-08: Celtics,Bulls,Bobcats,Nets
06-07: Cavs,Twolves,Jazz,Warriors,Clippers,Horn ets
05-06: Nets,Bulls,Nuggets,Twolves,Thunder*3,Lak ers,Rockets,Hornets*2
04-05: Wizards,Mavs,Spurs
03-04: Nets,Bulls,Bucks,Magic,Nuggets,Thunder,L akers,Spurs
02-03: Philly,Raptors,Cavs*2,Bucks,Heat*2,Wizar ds,Warriors,Mavs,Grizz
01-02: Bucks,Magic,Twolves,Trailblazers,Clipper s,
00-01: Pacers,Jazz,Grizz*3

I dont have the dates, but you can go on covers.com and click on the teams and look up the past results for these teams.

Justin7 · 03-30-09, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by GoGoGadget

Losses

07-08: Celtics,Bulls,Bobcats,Nets
06-07: Cavs,Twolves,Jazz,Warriors,Clippers,Horn ets
05-06: Nets,Bulls,Nuggets,Twolves,Thunder*3,Lak ers,Rockets,Hornets*2
04-05: Wizards,Mavs,Spurs
03-04: Nets,Bulls,Bucks,Magic,Nuggets,Thunder,L akers,Spurs
02-03: Philly,Raptors,Cavs*2,Bucks,Heat*2,Wizar ds,Warriors,Mavs,Grizz
01-02: Bucks,Magic,Twolves,Trailblazers,Clipper s,
00-01: Pacers,Jazz,Grizz*3

I dont have the dates, but you can go on covers.com and click on the teams and look up the past results for these teams.

Good info. How many series were there in each year? How much would you have won/lost during this time if you played the system the entire time?

GoGoGadget · 03-30-09, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

Good info. How many series were there in each year? How much would you have won/lost during this time if you played the system the entire time?

Scroll up a bit, I posted a spreadsheet I made.

netinfo · 03-30-09, 10:53 PM

GoGoGadget,

Thanks for the chart. As far as the JM info., does the chart include any of the JM road-record/injuries filters, or is it just the straight up conference filter (playing opposite conference)?

If the road-record/injuries filters are not part of this chart, then this is really cool, because it means that even without these fiters, the past seasons have turned up a unit profit in each year. Imagine then how much more profit potential we can turn up when properly applying the filters?

As for the Cartytay system, there are no filters, so it is expected that we would have negative unit (red) years, but the interesting thing about Cartytay is that in the long run, from 00-01 to 07-08, the chart shows a high unit profit, even higher than the JM unit profit. I find this quite interesting!

This chart is a good proof which debunks the "hypothesis" which says that every system fails in the long run!

netinfo

purecarnagge · 03-30-09, 11:29 PM

I still don't like anyone who chases. I would rather go all in than chase bets on purpose as a system play.

DukeJohn · 03-30-09, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by netinfo

GoGoGadget,

If the road-record/injuries filters are not part of this chart, then this is really cool, because it means that even without these fiters, the past seasons have turned up a unit profit in each year. Imagine then how much more profit potential we can turn up when properly applying the filters?

It could also mean the filters would add a loss or two

Originally posted by netinfo

This chart is a good proof which debunks the "hypothesis" which says that every system fails in the long run!

Not to take away at all, as you said according to what is listed it shows a profit per se, however some of those years show a couple of unit wins. Which means, depending on unit size, just trying to withdraw that amount would put you at a loss. Furthermore, to work all season and only turn a couple of units sure means you wouldn't qualify for professional status with the IRS. Now, that all being said, it does show you a profit margin and any profit is better than no profit...

Shortstop · 03-30-09, 11:40 PM

This has to be the most hilarious thread ever posted at sbrforum.com

Unreal to put it mildly.

fiveteamer · 03-30-09, 11:43 PM

move this disaster of a thread to the pz already. It is ruining people's lives.

netinfo · 03-31-09, 12:00 AM

It could also mean the filters would add a loss or two

How so?

Not to take away at all, as you said according to what is listed it shows a profit per se, however some of those years show a couple of unit wins. Which means, depending on unit size, just trying to withdraw that amount would put you at a loss. Furthermore, to work all season and only turn a couple of units sure means you wouldn't qualify for professional status with the IRS. Now, that all being said, it does show you a profit margin and any profit is better than no profit...

From the perspective of the long run, low profit years are irrelevant. In the long run, these two systems are turning a positive unit profit, therefore, debunking the saying that all systems fail in the long run.

netinfo

bolekblues · 03-31-09, 03:56 AM

Great job GoGoGadget! I am on the brink of finishing a similar study. You did not include A pushes because of your data not showing any such cases, right?

As for the plays, tonights are New Orleans A, Detroit A, and for those who bet previously Oklahoma City C (I did not).

BOL

JohnMorr08 · 03-31-09, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by sportsbetwin

14 times is true. You needed the points to win 14 games but not 14 series. The number of times you needed to buy 3 to win a series this season is close to 5.

SIR - You absolutely needed to buy at least 2 points to WIN exactly 11 series in the JM system in 08-09. I will say it again, if you play these games without buying points you WILL be successful BUT not nearly as successful as if you follow the system.

Not sure where you get "close to 5". Go to VegasInsider and check on these games......

11/23 A Bet WIN Golden State Warriors
11/30 A Bet WIN Toronto Raptors
12/3 B Bet WIN Minnesota Twolves
12/15 A Bet WIN Utah Jazz
12/17 A Bet WIN Golden State Warriors
12/17 A Bet WIN LA Clippers
1/30 A Bet WIN LA Clippers
2/18 B Bet WIN Atlanta Hawks
3/3 C Bet WIN Toronto Raptors
3/4 A Bet WIN Washington Wizards
3/11 A Bet WIN New Jersey Nets

** Keep this in mind fellas - If you DON'T buy points and lose but the 'system' wins - Do not keep chasing. I promise you, you will lose your shirt!!!!

saro7 · 03-31-09, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by netinfo

GoGoGadget,

Thanks for the chart. As far as the JM info., does the chart include any of the JM road-record/injuries filters, or is it just the straight up conference filter (playing opposite conference)?

If the road-record/injuries filters are not part of this chart, then this is really cool, because it means that even without these fiters, the past seasons have turned up a unit profit in each year. Imagine then how much more profit potential we can turn up when properly applying the filters?

As for the Cartytay system, there are no filters, so it is expected that we would have negative unit (red) years, but the interesting thing about Cartytay is that in the long run, from 00-01 to 07-08, the chart shows a high unit profit, even higher than the JM unit profit. I find this quite interesting!

This chart is a good proof which debunks the "hypothesis" which says that every system fails in the long run!

netinfo

Doesn't look like Morrison's filters were used. For example, Boston was shown as a loss last season but they had the best road record in the NBA and wouldn't qualify for play based on that.

Vincepcion · 03-31-09, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by saro7

Doesn't look like Morrison's filters were used. For example, Boston was shown as a loss last season but they had the best road record in the NBA and wouldn't qualify for play based on that.

I don't think Morrison ever said that, and I get the e-mails. I think he only said the WORST road record wouldn't qualify (yet he continued to play them all through the season).

mcbain · 03-31-09, 11:31 AM

The pdf states that you do not play series on the team with the best road record AND the team with the worst road record.

Whether he follows that in the emails he sends out as plays or not is a different story, but the pdf says that.

Also, applying system filters can never add another loss to the record because it will only cause you to pass on certain series, it will not make you play extra ones and lose. Impossible.

And finally, to those jumping in here to complain about this thread, kindly go away. If you don't like this thread, don't read it.

rjohnny · 03-31-09, 11:38 AM

It would be nice if JOHNMORR08 could tell us the filters he applies to the JM system. Since he seems to understand the system the best from working with the guy in the past. thanks i think we all would appreciate it.

JohnMorr08 · 03-31-09, 11:58 AM

I'm moving on to MLB... those of you who last until next NBA season can see how I play the system. Gentlemen, this was an EXCEPTIONAL year for the JM NBA system. Not many filters were needed! But the filters in the PDF are there for a reason... be sure of that!

JM is very sneaky and manipulative. What he'll do most times is say "Play the Lakers - even though Kobe is out" - and then if they lose bet C he'll go back and say "well, the system is still Undefeated because Technically the Lakers were NOT a play since Kobe was out".

Trust me - Follow the system and DO NOT get GREEDY. Stick to what works. Otherwise you will go broke.

alukk · 03-31-09, 01:03 PM

Just a question about the chart, in the cartytay system u included the jm system playS?

Vincepcion · 03-31-09, 01:13 PM

Yeah I just read the PDF again, my bad.

mixpicks · 03-31-09, 01:35 PM

good stuff but Now NBA Season is OVER, for JM Bettors, Woundering (as Others are) about his MLB season, Think I'll buy it, and post some here. i always, do good in MLB playing Dogs, So I really really hope he dosn't play favorites esp. @ -150 or higher, just can not see making $$$ on Fav. in the bases. If anyone has insight on his MLB system record etc, plz shre.
B.O.L.

netinfo · 03-31-09, 10:39 PM

Cartytay C bet (OKC) won tonight!!!

Still only one Cartytay series loss so far this year (Bucks series), which is quite good.

Cartytay A bet (DET) won as well!

Cartytay A bet (NOH) is pending.

netinfo

bolekblues · 04-01-09, 03:38 AM

Detroit wins bet A, NOH wins but doesn't cover.

Today Miami @ Dallas, already booked at +8

BOL

Shortstop · 04-01-09, 03:44 AM

I wanted to be the 1500th post in this thread. Best of luck ladies and gentlemen.

netinfo · 04-01-09, 07:38 AM

Best of luck ladies and gentlemen.

Thanks bro!

netinfo

netinfo · 04-01-09, 07:43 AM

NOH are playing the Cartytay B bet tonight against the Clippers.

For those still playing, bol to u!

netinfo

Cassidy · 04-01-09, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by JohnMorr08

I'm moving on to MLB... those of you who last until next NBA season can see how I play the system. Gentlemen, this was an EXCEPTIONAL year for the JM NBA system. Not many filters were needed! But the filters in the PDF are there for a reason... be sure of that!

JM is very sneaky and manipulative. What he'll do most times is say "Play the Lakers - even though Kobe is out" - and then if they lose bet C he'll go back and say "well, the system is still Undefeated because Technically the Lakers were NOT a play since Kobe was out".

Trust me - Follow the system and DO NOT get GREEDY. Stick to what works. Otherwise you will go broke.

But man, don't you think the sucess chances will gradually drop as new season begins? I mean, this system is a matter of concern for the bookies, and the logic reply would be tighten the lines for this series.

Theres one rule on wagering, a sucess system its not but a bug to fix by the linemakers, especially when it belongs to the public domain.

JohnMorr08 · 04-01-09, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Cassidy

But man, don't you think the sucess chances will gradually drop as new season begins? I mean, this system is a matter of concern for the bookies, and the logic reply would be tighten the lines for this series.

Theres one rule on wagering, a sucess system its not but a bug to fix by the linemakers, especially when it belongs to the public domain.

Cassidy - my man - go back and read my posts from November / December. First of all I've been playing this system for 6 years officially - and it was around for a lot longer than that. The linesmakers don't have to do anything because this is NOT followed the way intended. First of all JM tries to get you on BetUS where they DO in fact fix the lines. Second - VERY FEW actually follow the system. HOW many people follow through to bet C? Read through these threads - some people want to "only bet B bets" some "only A's" - Some don't buy points - Some play it blindly without the filters.....

My point is that 100's of 1000's of people have access to this info BUT a VERY, VERY small % of people actually use it the way it's intended.

Also - Vegas makes the lines and focuses on it's Casino's. Vegas doesn't allow point buying and Vegas doesn't give a sh** about offshore sites...