Why Danica Patrick Is Not Coming To NASCAR

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  • The General
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-10-05
    • 13279

    #1
    Why Danica Patrick Is Not Coming To NASCAR
    It seems as though at a certain point each year, for the past few years anyway, we invariably get into the “will Danica move to NASCAR” debate. In the past she’s been pretty quick to brush the talk aside, but now something has changed.

    This is a post I’ve been thinking about writing for a few weeks, but this recent New York Times article about Danica’s situation sparked quite a bit of discussion this week on the topic, and I figured I’d throw my two cents out there.

    At the end of this season, Danica’s current IRL contract with Andretti Green Racing expires, and she will be a free agent. She is now saying that a possible opportunity to drive in NASCAR would be “interesting.”

    A major draw for Patrick and her management team, is the level of exposure NASCAR has in this country. There is currently almost no comparison between the 75 million fan, broadcast on network TV, large corporate sponsorship world of NASCAR and the “seen on Versus” IRL. And if there is one thing Danica wants more of, it’s exposure. This is where her problems start.

    First, Danica has now become more of a celebrity and a brand, then an actual racecar driver. She is the oddity in a sport dominated by males, and that makes her interesting and marketable. Her solid finishes at Indianapolis, the single win at Japan, and her on and off track antics made her famous, but it was the GoDaddy.com ads and racy photo shoots that brought her the celebrity status.

    There is no doubt in my mind that if she showed real interest in NASCAR, she would be presented a number of opportunities. But those possible rides wouldn’t come because of Danica’s ability, they would come because of her marketability. A team that landed her would have a great deal of leverage with sponsors because of her status, and I’m sure there would be no shortage of companies willing to pony up the $20 million+ to sponsor her.

    But once the honeymoon period was over and people started realizing that Danica couldn’t get it done in a Cup car, this would all come to a screeching halt.

    Over the last three or four seasons we’ve seen several open wheel drivers make the jump to NASCAR. Guys like Juan Pablo Montoya, Dario Franchitti, AJ Allmendinger, Sam Hornish, and Scott Speed are the main examples. And these drivers all came to NASCAR at the top of their game. Among them are multiple Indy 500 wins, IRL and CART Championships, Formula 1 Grand Prix wins and podiums, and countless series wins.

    Guess how many Cup wins these drivers combine for?

    One.

    Remember that when you start picturing Danica behind the wheel of a 3400 lb. stock car.

    If these top open wheel drivers have struggled to find success (some struggle to even make races), how can she expect to compete? In 66 career IndyCar starts, Danica has one win, 12 top fives, and 37 top tens. And in those 66 races, she’s only led 84 laps. Keep in mind that IndyCar fields are usually in the low to mid 20’s, and that her lone win came on a fuel mileage gamble. Not exactly what I would call domination.

    The comparison between an Indy car and Cup car really ends after the fact that they both have four wheels, a steering wheel, and an engine. Indy cars are light, have tons of downforce, and are set up by engineers. Cup cars are heavy, have very little downforce, and are set up by the driver’s butt. Indy cars are finessed, Cup cars are manhandled. And that’s why I believe Danica would jump in a Cup car and be embarrassed.

    (Don’t take this opportunity to slam me about men vs. women issues. If Danica Patrick were Dan Patrick I would present the same argument.)

    Here is the interesting part though. I think she and her management both know and understand that she would struggle. I don’t personally believe she has any intentions of making the jump to NASCAR, despite what she may say in the media.

    With the IRL season now in full swing, I think Danica is making a power play. By hinting at a possible jump to NASCAR, she is forcing not only the hand of Andretti Green, but also that of the IndyCar Series and Tony George. She is the only real draw for a series that has become mired in mediocrity, and she knows it. With most of their races being dumped to a second tier cable network, George and IndyCar can’t afford to let their only known and marketable driver walk. They need her to help maintain any semblance of acceptable ratings.

    On the flip side, NASCAR doesn’t need Danica. And I honestly don’t think Danica needs NASCAR. She gets a ton of airtime without the added fan base, and something tells me her bank account isn’t hurting.

    Moving forward, I believe we will see Danica re-sign with Andretti Green, although it may take a while. But something tells me her deal to stay in IndyCar will be a little sweeter then her current deal, thanks to the deep pockets of Tony George.

  • The General
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-10-05
    • 13279

    #2
    New York Times Artice.

    LONG BEACH, Calif. — A year ago, Danica Patrick was in Japan, recording the first victory by a woman in an Indy Racing League event. This weekend, she will be in a seaside suburb of Los Angeles, driving in the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach. But the question so often on the lips of American motor racing’s chattering classes is, where will she be a year from now?

    Patrick is the hard-charging driver/cover girl/swimsuit model who turned the venerable Indianapolis 500 on its ear in 2005, at age 23, by leading the race for 19 laps and finishing fourth, unprecedented achievements by a woman. Since then, she has become the face of the I.R.L., its most marketable asset and a driver for perhaps the best team, Andretti Green.

    But her contract with Andretti Green expires after this season, and speculation about Patrick’s next career move is heating up. Will she remain in the open-wheel world of I.R.L.? Is the globetrotting Formula One circuit an option? Or will she jump to the stock cars of Nascar’s Sprint Cup series, the richest and most visible racing league in the United States?

    “I’m very flattered everyone is curious,” said Patrick, who finished 19th in the I.R.L.’s season-opening race, April 5 in St. Petersburg, Fla. “It’s interesting to me as well. Do I stay where I am? Do I try to change? It’s all about evaluating options, and I think that’s something any good businessperson does.”

    The most intriguing option is Nascar, the major leagues of North American motor sports and the citadel of good ol’ boy racing. Not only has a woman not won a Cup race, there has not been a woman who has run a full season. And no Sprint Cup driver has appeared in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, twice, wearing a bikini and heels.

    “She would have a huge impact on Nascar,” said Humpy Wheeler, the chairman of the Wheeler Company consulting firm and the former president of Lowe’s Motor Speedway in North Carolina. “Sixty percent of the Nascar crowd is male, and they like the current drivers, but there’s not any pretty ones out there.”

    Max Muhleman, the principal of Private Sports Consulting in Charlotte, N.C., agreed.

    “She would be a ticket-selling machine, there’s no doubt about that,” he said. “She would rock the turnstiles. As a woman and a cute girl, she would be a special kind of sensation.”

    Patrick’s popularity and level of recognition seem suited to Nascar, according to data compiled by Millsport, a sponsorship consulting agency in Charlotte. Ken Cohn, the vice president at Millsport’s Charlotte office, said the agency’s Davie Brown Index, which measures “a celebrity’s ability to influence brand affinity and consumer purchase intent,” showed Patrick to be one of only three current drivers who elicits more than 50 percent awareness among the United States population. The others are the Nascar superstars Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt Jr.

    “And she’s not only well known; she’s well liked,” Cohn wrote in an e-mail message, adding that Patrick ranked fourth in appeal. “Danica entering Nascar would certainly provide the sport with a deep level of marketing impact,” Cohn said. “And it would provide Nascar with one of the biggest stories of the year, generating a significant amount of media coverage, consumer and fan engagement, and corporate attention.”

    Appeal does not guarantee success. Several top I.R.L. drivers who made the move to Nascar have struggled, including Dario Franchitti, Juan Pablo Montoya and Sam Hornish Jr.

    Several observers suggest Patrick would be best served taking the best I.R.L. deal she can find.

    “She’s exactly where she needs to be,” said Eddie Gossage, the president of Texas Motor Speedway, which hosts Nascar and I.R.L. events. “I would love to hand her the winner’s trophy at an I.R.L. race here. I think it would be a horrible mistake for her to go to Nascar,” adding that he thought Patrick was “arguably one of the two or three best-known female athletes in the world.”

    Janet Guthrie, 71, was a trailblazer in American motor sports in the 1970s, when she became the first woman to compete at the highest level in open-wheel racing and in Nascar.

    “She should stay where she is,” Guthrie said. “She is in the best possible situation in I.R.L., in the catbird seat with one of the few teams that is capable of winning.”

    Patrick, however, made clear that she saw herself as a brand as well as a driver, and that business considerations would play a part in where drives in 2010.

    “One of the things I think of is the exposure level that you get in Nascar with the ratings and viewership,” she said. “Their numbers are so much larger than ours, and with that comes a bigger following, comes more popularity, comes more demand for you to endorse other products. So I think it would be an exponential sort of growth.”

    Guthrie said she never raced for the money and seemed disappointed that Patrick might be driven by a net-income imperative. “Like many people, I really regret seeing those soft-porn photos that will be around forever on the Web,” Guthrie said, referring to Patrick’s appearances in Sports Illustrated and other magazines. “But if that’s what she wants to do, it’s worked for her. She made, what, $7 million last year?”

    Patrick said she saw Formula One as an unlikely place for her to land because she did not want to travel the world. And there are elements of the Nascar experience that concern her, including the length of the Sprint Cup schedule, 36 races, compared with the I.R.L.’s 18. She added that she would need to join one of Nascar’s elite teams to have a fair expectation of success.

    But an I.R.L. season beckons before Patrick can answer the question of where she will she race in 2010.

    “I’m excited to see what comes up and who shows interest,” she said.

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    • SlickFazzer
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 05-22-08
      • 20209

      #3
      Shoot, I thought you going to tell us she was
      joining the porn circuit.
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      • pavyracer
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 04-12-07
        • 82813

        #4
        Cause she doesn't like going around in left hand circles.
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        • The General
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 08-10-05
          • 13279

          #5
          Maybe Danica won't drive the taxi cabs of NASCAR (not defending her because there are many candidates much more worthy of driving for Andretti-Green), but Dale Earnhardt Jr won't drive the Machines of IRL either because he cannot handle them (He barely is a NASCAR average driver). He was offered a one race deal at Texas, but he was scared and backed out. Thank goodness really.
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          • The General
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 08-10-05
            • 13279

            #6
            Originally posted by pavyracer
            Cause she doesn't like going around in left hand circles.
            IRL runs several ovals such as this weekend.
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            • AgainstAllOdds
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 02-24-08
              • 6053

              #7
              I bet she can suck a mean dick going 120 miles an hour.
              Originally posted by SBR_John
              AAO = good dude. Buying you a drink in Vegas buddy.
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              • RogueScholar
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 02-05-07
                • 5082

                #8
                Superb journalism, Pete! I really enjoyed reading everything you had to say, and there's not a single point to argue over. You hit this nail on the head.

                Originally posted by StraitShooter
                90% of the guys dont give a shit about your problems..and the other 10 are glad you have them..
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                • The General
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 13279

                  #9
                  Photos: Danica Patrick through the years












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                  • odusmykal
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-30-07
                    • 3426

                    #10
                    I totally agree that the IRL needs her too much to let her walk.. They would offer anything to keep her.. And to that i say good.. I already hear too much about her and if she did go NASCAR, she would be all the media reported on..(kinda like Brett Favre now) You make a lot of great points, General.. Nice write up..
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                    • lwantcu
                      SBR Rookie
                      • 08-25-09
                      • 7

                      #11
                      lol.
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                      • The General
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 13279

                        #12
                        ESPN just reported that Danica Patrick (via reports from Tony Stewart) will run some NASCAR Nationwide races next season while racing in the IRL, also. I am mixed on her move because it will just bring much drama: along with some fans and PR which NASCAR needs/wants.

                        For her, personally, it is good for exposure and seeing her name in the headlines irregardless of performance on the track.


                        PS...I didn't write the articles. The sources are credited in the post.
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                        • Chi_archie
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-22-08
                          • 63167

                          #13
                          I didn't know she wasn't in nascar....
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                          • The General
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-10-05
                            • 13279

                            #14
                            Update on Danica's possible NASCAR attempt
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #15
                              Nascar needs her bad

                              Ratings and crowds dropping
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                              • xtwoxlivesx
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 08-13-09
                                • 107

                                #16
                                not sure if her going to nascar would really make any difference in me watching it.
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                                • johncrud
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-06-09
                                  • 1322

                                  #17
                                  she doesn't want to strip for playboy too..

                                  she could be 1 mil buck richer
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                                  • Dunkn
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 11-07-09
                                    • 2

                                    #18
                                    I don't think she's going to NASCAR, she likes formula type cars.

                                    NASCAR is definitely not her driving style, she fits ok in IRL or maybe in F1 with the USGP team in 2010 season.

                                    BTW my first post xD! LOL!
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                                    • jon13009
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 09-22-07
                                      • 1258

                                      #19
                                      "Danica and Dale Jr. What a sponsor’s match made in heaven. It must have left GoDaddy.com feeling like a proud papa this week when reports surfaced that Danica Patrick, whose IndyCar Series ride with Andretti Green Racing is sponsored by GoDaddy, was close to signing a two-year deal to drive a limited Nationwide Series schedule next season for Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s. JR Motorsports team."

                                      Source:
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                                      • aceking
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-07-05
                                        • 4782

                                        #20
                                        hot chick /
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                                        • The General
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 08-10-05
                                          • 13279

                                          #21
                                          Marketing genius. Lord knows they need the money since winning is not the way to earning for them. Dale Jr and Danica that is.
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                                          • Dunder
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 10-26-09
                                            • 3345

                                            #22
                                            There was some talk of Danica joining the new USF1 team in Formula 1.

                                            I can´t see that happening, principally because she is nowhere near good enough, and it would probably destroy the reputation she has built up for herself in IRL. I assumed she would end up going to NASCAR because that is where the money is as far as racing in the US in concerned.
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                                            • Barcuss
                                              SBR Hustler
                                              • 12-12-09
                                              • 87

                                              #23
                                              I never really thought she would come over the Nascar, I always thought she was using Nascar as a threat to get more money from IRL and her team owner. She will be a very hot attraction in the early going but she will struggle to make the adjustments from the lightweight IRL car to the heavy Nascar car, in my opinion. But hey what the hell, she might be great, who knows.
                                              sbr
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                                              • frank21
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 01-09-10
                                                • 350

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by againstallodds
                                                i bet she can suck a mean dick going 120 miles an hour.
                                                lmfao
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