Horse Racing questions and answers

[batt33]

another army mule going in a grade 2 stakes at los alamitos..added to post 10927

Copy that! hopefully I'll remember to watch it!

[batt33]

Oh boy. Stay safe Batt.
Good luck!

Thanks STR! Steep ugly country ..right now it's a boat ride and a 2 hour hike to the bottom of the fire for the hotshot crews..... Boy I loved being on a" hotshot crew" couldn't wait for the adventure.... now I look at that and say " it's a young person's game" and do everything I can to watch out for their safety...... sounds off but.... I work at getting a dedicated "hoist helicopter" available for them. I order Paramedics to be inserted with the crews to provide "ALS" among other things... didn't mean to go "off topic".......

[JBEX]

hard and dangerous work..hope things go well and everybody ,including yourself, come out of it ok

[JBEX]

new page ..

week 1 .. 7/3 -7/6
opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
army mule progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial
(del mar and colonial haven't begun yet)

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


7/3 thursday ******

nothing


7/4 friday (done) ******

saratoga 3 @ 2:14
#4 shadow dragon (4-1)

out @ 7-1


7/5 saturday (done) ******

monmouth 6 @ 3:24
#2 molly's a bullet (8-1) 4yo
#6 bel pensiero (4-1) 5yo

full siblings !


half field was scratched including little sis and it wasn't off the turf..don't get it

3rd (4 horses) @ 4-1 ..well beaten
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horseshoe 11 @ 5:55
drf Indiana oaks .. grade 3
#4 top (5-1)

2nd @ 11-1 [$7.80] .. even money favorite wins and comes back a crazy good $35 exacta for $2


if i find or know of one's scheduled to run in stakes outside of the 5 tracks I'll post it



los alamitos 8 @ 7:54
#4 barbara t (20-1)
grade 2 stakes


out @ 20-1

realize it's easy to say after the fact but surprised they would put her in a spot like that considering how spaced out her 3 career races were .. very ambitious placement for her first relatively quick return



7/6 sunday (done) ******

ellis 8 @ 4:12
#11 grade a (30-1)

3rd @ 33-1 .. head 2nd ..length winner

4 horses between 5-2 and 7-2 and 2 of them made up the exacta ..keying those 4 in 1st and 2nd w/ GA in 3rd would cost $12 and tri paid $212


woodbine 5 @ 3:14 **
#7 human desire (20-1)

scratched


** if I happen to look at others outside of the core 5 I'll post them



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[JBEX]

just updated the final AM result

[JBEX]

1 play on sunday..added

[str]

realize it's easy to say after the fact but surprised they would put her in a spot like that considering how spaced out her 3 career races were .. very ambitious placement for her first relatively quick

.[/QUOTE]

Probably the most difficult part of training is not dreaming. If you stay realistic and leave the dreams to the owners, you can do well.
Trainers are human, so easier said than done but let the owners dream and the trainers train and build towards bettering the horses.
That was my philosophy and you would be blown away by some of the names of people that said that too me when I first started training and never stopped picking the winning trainers brains .
So many of them would end up saying that to me individually. It was incredible.

[JBEX]

realize it's easy to say after the fact but surprised they would put her in a spot like that considering how spaced out her 3 career races were .. very ambitious placement for her first relatively quick

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Probably the most difficult part of training is not dreaming. If you stay realistic and leave the dreams to the owners, you can do well.
Trainers are human, so easier said than done but let the owners dream and the trainers train and build towards bettering the horses.
That was my philosophy and you would be blown away by some of the names of people that said that too me when I first started training and never stopped picking the winning trainers brains .
So many of them would end up saying that to me individually. It was incredible.


[/QUOTE]

yeah maybe they influenced the call ..nice n2x other than at del mar would seem to be a more logical spot with the added incentive it's nice to win there ..have to think they'd have at least one of those over the course of that meet

[JBEX]

added another ..outside of core 5 but if I happen to look and find I will post ..10959

[str]

Thanks STR! Steep ugly country ..right now it's a boat ride and a 2 hour hike to the bottom of the fire for the hotshot crews..... Boy I loved being on a" hotshot crew" couldn't wait for the adventure.... now I look at that and say " it's a young person's game" and do everything I can to watch out for their safety...... sounds off but.... I work at getting a dedicated "hoist helicopter" available for them. I order Paramedics to be inserted with the crews to provide "ALS" among other things... didn't mean to go "off topic".......

Must have missed this. That’s a huge responsibility Batt. Wow.
Good luck.

[JBEX]

posted results for the lone race (other scratched)

[str]

I need to honor today , the greatest female racehorse I ever saw. Ruffian was the horse that gave me the drive to become a trainer when she ran past me as I watched from the stand, down the backstretch at the 5/8ths pole at Monmouth Park in the Sapling Stakes, a huge race for 2 yr. Old fillies back then.
Her eyes, when I saw her run by about 40 feet away from me, were like nothing I had ever seen or have seen since. When I saw her run by, I decided that moment that I would try and become a trainer and learn what it was all about.
I mention it today because it was 50 years ago this afternoon that she took that bad step and broke down at Belmont Park.
I remember refilling the water buckets around 6 pm after watching that race on a small tv in the tack room . It was after dinner at Bowie for all 48 horses. i was by then the asst. trainer for Dick Dutrow.
I cried like a baby the whole time.
A year later I had just started training horses. Gotta say I owe it all to her and the intensity of the effort she gave a year earlier when I saw her.
I’ve never seen anything like that since.
Thank you Ruffian. You were the catalyst to me becoming a trainer.

[JBEX]

week 2 .. 7/7 -7/13
opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
army mule progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial
(del mar and colonial haven't begun yet)
may look at other tracks on occasion but committed to above 5

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post



7/7 monday ****


parx 2 @ 1:07
#5 la de peluche (8-1)

last @ 27-1


thistledown 7 @ 3:50
#7 sgt york (7-2)

out @ 9-2


7/9 weds ****


belterra 2 @ 1:05
#2 bourbon state (2-1) 222

won $2.80 .. easy


horseshoe 2 @ 2:41
#6 army girl (10-1)

3rd @ 6-1


thistledown 4 @ 2:20
#4 army kitten (2-1)

2nd @ 2-1 .. < 1 length



7/10 thursday ****


thistledown 6 @ 3:20
#1 wisconsin gal (2-1)

scratched

7/11 friday ****

saratoga 4 @ 2:52
#9 army gal (3-1)
off turf and she is main track only

last @ 1-2




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[dogkatcher]

Fascinated by the adventures of the Army Mule progeny. I had never heard of him and looked up his pedigree and racing record. Only 3 starts, but 3 wins and earnings of over $300,000, quite the accomplishment for about the 2016-17 era. Will continue to watch your contributions about this stallion. Thanks so much.

[Pigpen]

I need to honor today , the greatest female racehorse I ever saw. Ruffian was the horse that gave me the drive to become a trainer when she ran past me as I watched from the stand, down the backstretch at the 5/8ths pole at Monmouth Park in the Sapling Stakes, a huge race for 2 yr. Old fillies back then.
Her eyes, when I saw her run by about 40 feet away from me, were like nothing I had ever seen or have seen since. When I saw her run by, I decided that moment that I would try and become a trainer and learn what it was all about.
I mention it today because it was 50 years ago this afternoon that she took that bad step and broke down at Belmont Park.
I remember refilling the water buckets around 6 pm after watching that race on a small tv in the tack room . It was after dinner at Bowie for all 48 horses. i was by then the asst. trainer for Dick Dutrow.
I cried like a baby the whole time.
A year later I had just started training horses. Gotta say I owe it all to her and the intensity of the effort she gave a year earlier when I saw her.
I’ve never seen anything like that since.
Thank you Ruffian. You were the catalyst to me becoming a trainer.

There are maybe 5 of the best horses to step on a racetrack and she is among them.

[JBEX]

Fascinated by the adventures of the Army Mule progeny. I had never heard of him and looked up his pedigree and racing record. Only 3 starts, but 3 wins and earnings of over $300,000, quite the accomplishment for about the 2016-17 era. Will continue to watch your contributions about this stallion. Thanks so much.

no problem dogkatcher .. str and I had followed him throughout his brief racing career and starting again with his first crop of 2yo's 3 years ago .. his wins were all brilliant including his finale in the carter at aqu .. he has turned out to be an excellent sire at his price point and it's been fun seeing his progeny do so well

[JBEX]

I need to honor today , the greatest female racehorse I ever saw. Ruffian was the horse that gave me the drive to become a trainer when she ran past me as I watched from the stand, down the backstretch at the 5/8ths pole at Monmouth Park in the Sapling Stakes, a huge race for 2 yr. Old fillies back then.
Her eyes, when I saw her run by about 40 feet away from me, were like nothing I had ever seen or have seen since. When I saw her run by, I decided that moment that I would try and become a trainer and learn what it was all about.
I mention it today because it was 50 years ago this afternoon that she took that bad step and broke down at Belmont Park.
I remember refilling the water buckets around 6 pm after watching that race on a small tv in the tack room . It was after dinner at Bowie for all 48 horses. i was by then the asst. trainer for Dick Dutrow.
I cried like a baby the whole time.
A year later I had just started training horses. Gotta say I owe it all to her and the intensity of the effort she gave a year earlier when I saw her.
I’ve never seen anything like that since.
Thank you Ruffian. You were the catalyst to me becoming a trainer.

it was a few years before I became interested in racing (was 12) but certainly was aware it happened ..
know you have mentioned at least a few times that you saw her at monmouth and got a glimpse of the intensity in his eye .. fact it inspired you to become a trainer and her terrible fate can certainly understand you mentioning the date

[JBEX]

posted results

[JBEX]

put up weds army mule's .. 10968

[str]

Fascinated by the adventures of the Army Mule progeny. I had never heard of him and looked up his pedigree and racing record. Only 3 starts, but 3 wins and earnings of over $300,000, quite the accomplishment for about the 2016-17 era. Will continue to watch your contributions about this stallion. Thanks so much.

Glad you saw this thread. Any questions fire away anytime. Enjoy the Army Mules !
They are something special.

[str]

There are maybe 5 of the best horses to step on a racetrack and she is among them.

She certainly is Pigpen . Pretty special that she truly flipped the switch for me to go from a groom with no purpose to one with a goal. It was like hearing the Rocky theme and getting all jacked up. Lolol.

[JBEX]

posted AM results .. 10968

[JBEX]

thursday army mule

thistledown 6 @ 3:20
#1 wisconsin gal (2-1)

[JBEX]

thursday army mule

thistledown 6 @ 3:20
#1 wisconsin gal (2-1)

slipped up ..put it in 10968

[str]

slipped up ..put it in 10968

Wisconsin Gal. OMG. This clown show finally enters her in a race that makes sense. With her brains beaten in all the way down her form, she will only need her competitive heart to kick in even though it has been stepped on repeatedly by the jackass trainer/owner or whoever the inept handler is that calls the shots. If she can figure out down the backside that for once she is the superior horse, she will win in a gallop.
only way she loses is if the connections have crushed her confidence to zero.
Anyone that has read this thread over the years knows I’m not that “ can’t lose” knucklehead but unless her performance is severely affected by past experiences, she should win in a gallop.
lets hope her mind is not shot. Nobody in that race is in the same league as her IMO.

I’m kind of slow to respond as I have COVID. Hopefully it will be gone soon.
GL folks.

[JBEX]

hope you recover quickly from the covid str .. had it earlier this year and took me about 5-6 days to start feeling noticeably better .. not fun

last race a little concerning on WG but here I think she's ridden aggressively from the gate and without a lot of other speed will be very tough .. we both agree that all the races vs stakes company didn't make sense

[JBEX]

hope you recover quickly from the covid str .. had it earlier this year and took me about 5-6 days to start feeling noticeably better .. not fun

last race a little concerning on WG but here I think she's ridden aggressively from the gate and without a lot of other speed will be very tough .. we both agree that all the races vs stakes company didn't make sense

[JBEX]

not sure what I did to post the same thing 4 times and turns out it's all for nothing .. WG is SCRATCHED

[JBEX]

only one tomorrow is a main track only in saratoga 4..don't think it'll be off the turf but if so I'll post it

[str]

not sure what I did to post the same thing 4 times and turns out it's all for nothing .. WG is SCRATCHED

I suppose the connections looked the race over and decided that winning would be detrimental to whatever it is they are trying to accomplish. She would have been darn near impossible to beat. She would have known after a 1/4 of a mile that she was dominant and would have likely won by 10 lengths eased up.
But no sense in making her happy and thrive when they can scratch and find a spot where she is 38-1 a thousand miles away and van her there in July when the heat is horrible.
Sorry folks, I don’t mean to be sarcastic but with this clown show, actually I do.
The horse makes me smile. She is awesome. The connections make me sick. It’s pathetic.

[JBEX]

I suppose the connections looked the race over and decided that winning would be detrimental to whatever it is they are trying to accomplish. She would have been darn near impossible to beat. She would have known after a 1/4 of a mile that she was dominant and would have likely won by 10 lengths eased up.
But no sense in making her happy and thrive when they can scratch and find a spot where she is 38-1 a thousand miles away and van her there in July when the heat is horrible.
Sorry folks, I don’t mean to be sarcastic but with this clown show, actually I do.
The horse makes me smile. She is awesome. The connections make me sick. It’s pathetic.

said it was a vet scratch on the chart so at least it wasn't the connections deciding not to run

[str]

said it was a vet scratch on the chart so at least it wasn't the connections deciding not to run

That vet scratch means that the scratch was allowed to go through because in that short a field to begin with, no trainer can just decide to scratch. It has to be a clear reason. What is unclear is which vet and why.
The state vet when they did want to run and the morning exam went badly, or, the connections decided to scratch and had their vet call in an excuse to the Stewards?
The first one , a state vet scratch, is not at all good although it could mean the horse was sore or simply running a fever. One is not a big deal while the other is a huge deal.
So much grey area there is no way to tell without more information.

That is one of those things that really leaves the fan without a clue as to what really happened.

The lack of transparency with “ vet” scratches has always been bad. Typically, if interested, like to claim the horse for instance, there are ways available that I used to have at my disposal to find out if I really cared to. But for the fan, it’s just not available. That’s unfair and always has been. I suppose it’s one of those things that most fans don’t really care about but when a fan does, and gets stymied along the way, it can be frustrating to say the least.

Racing could and should address that. It is certainly more important than how much the horse weighs when they provide that information.
This should be fixed. I mentioned it in an HBPA meeting about 48 years ago when I was elected to the board but got laughed at. I was so young compared to the other board members back then.
I served one term and quit. They were ridiculous. A complete waste of time for me.

[JBEX]

That vet scratch means that the scratch was allowed to go through because in that short a field to begin with, no trainer can just decide to scratch. It has to be a clear reason. What is unclear is which vet and why.
The state vet when they did want to run and the morning exam went badly, or, the connections decided to scratch and had their vet call in an excuse to the Stewards?
The first one , a state vet scratch, is not at all good although it could mean the horse was sore or simply running a fever. One is not a big deal while the other is a huge deal.
So much grey area there is no way to tell without more information.

That is one of those things that really leaves the fan without a clue as to what really happened.

The lack of transparency with “ vet” scratches has always been bad. Typically, if interested, like to claim the horse for instance, there are ways available that I used to have at my disposal to find out if I really cared to. But for the fan, it’s just not available. That’s unfair and always has been. I suppose it’s one of those things that most fans don’t really care about but when a fan does, and gets stymied along the way, it can be frustrating to say the least.

Racing could and should address that. It is certainly more important than how much the horse weighs when they provide that information.
This should be fixed. I mentioned it in an HBPA meeting about 48 years ago when I was elected to the board but got laughed. I was so young compared to the other board members back then.
I served one term and quit. They were ridiculous. A complete waste of time for me.

they actually do distinguish it ..it will say just "veterinarian" or "priv vet " and why .. WG was the former



also saratoga 4 @ 2:52 is off the turf and army gal (mto) is running #9 (3-1)

[str]

they actually do distinguish it ..it will say just "veterinarian" or "priv vet " and why .. WG was the former



also saratoga 4 @ 2:52 is off the turf and army gal (mto) is running #9 (3-1)

Wow. 50 years later .
so what was the reason stated ?

[JBEX]

Wow. 50 years later .
so what was the reason stated ?

when it just says veterinarian they don't tell you anything more..maybe when it's a private vet scratch they want more specifics