Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

Just looked at the Liams Map. It's a small world JBEX.

I used to train for the owners father in Md. when Ohio closed down for the winter and early spring. His name was Jacques Politi.
Pretty sure I met Joel along the way as he brought one of his kids with him a couple of times. Long time ago though.

yeah amazing the connections we've made through LM (caldera being the other) ..politi is a name I've definitely noticed before so guess he's got at least a few running..tom amoss calling the shots always a good thing


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[JBEX]

Sun 11/17 AQ R6 W/Angels #1. Would you offer thoughts on this progression both distance and purse.

When do the Oaks futures come out??

purse doesn't bother ..understand it's a lot less than last race but it is a stakes..also purses will be significantly smaller now that it's officially the aqu meet and not baq..purse will be smaller than last also because it's a sprint

don't get the cutback at this stage ..increasing incrementally a furlong every race and now back to 6f .. relatively quick also ??

my guess,being she's a 2yo, is there are very limited spots for her to run so there doing what's available

[JBEX]

purse doesn't bother ..understand it's a lot less than last race but it is a stakes..also purses will be significantly smaller now that it's officially the aqu meet and not baq..purse will be smaller than last also because it's a sprint

don't get the cutback at this stage ..increasing incrementally a furlong every race and now back to 6f .. relatively quick also ??

my guess,being she's a 2yo, is there are very limited spots for her to run so there doing what's available

I'm going #5 bellacose (8-1)
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[batt33]

purse doesn't bother ..understand it's a lot less than last race but it is a stakes..also purses will be significantly smaller now that it's officially the aqu meet and not baq..purse will be smaller than last also because it's a sprint

don't get the cutback at this stage ..increasing incrementally a furlong every race and now back to 6f .. relatively quick also ??

my guess,being she's a 2yo, is there are very limited spots for her to run so there doing what's available

I would guess that like you said running out of opportunities for 2 year old's restricted to NY breds. She had a nice workout on the 10th.... Horse indicating ready to go..... look pretty formidable.

[JBEX]

I would guess that like you said running out of opportunities for 2 year old's restricted to NY breds. She had a nice workout on the 10th.... Horse indicating ready to go..... look pretty formidable.

the g2 demoiselle @ 9f on 12/7..open company and would make no sense doing what they did today BUT an even better opportunity the following week..a $500k @ 7f for 2yo F (ny stallion stakes)..running today would make a lot of sense shooting for that which has double the purse of the aforementioned demoiselle

only thing is she's a ny bred but by a ky stallion so not sure if she'd be eligible

[batt33]

the g2 demoiselle @ 9f on 12/7..open company and would make no sense doing what they did today BUT an even better opportunity the following week..a $500k @ 7f for 2yo F (ny stallion stakes)..running today would make a lot of sense shooting for that which has double the purse of the aforementioned demoiselle

only thing is she's a ny bred but by a ky stallion so not sure if she'd be eligible

I think she isn't eligible for the stallion series.. looking at the condition book

[JBEX]

I think she isn't eligible for the stallion series.. looking at the condition book

makes sense..they want to encourage breeding to ny stallions..hence the name nyss

[JBEX]

the g2 demoiselle @ 9f on 12/7..open company and would make no sense doing what they did today BUT an even better opportunity the following week..a $500k @ 7f for 2yo F (ny stallion stakes)..running today would make a lot of sense shooting for that which has double the purse of the aforementioned demoiselle

only thing is she's a ny bred but by a ky stallion so not sure if she'd be eligible

in spite of what I said here have to think she'll go in the demioselle..bred for the distance top and bottom



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[str]

Sun 11/17 AQ R6 W/Angels #1. Would you offer thoughts on this progression both distance and purse.

When do the Oaks futures come out??

Madison, It does not look like I can pull up a racing form on that race.

Found the pp’s. I think that the trainer is simply taking what is available with the NY bred races. I always felt it was hard to pass up a chance to be 2-5. I do not think she is thinking about G1 big name races. At some point if she keeps winning then sure. But for now she is the best NY bred up there it looks like and the trainer is taking full advantage of that. Personally, I like it.
Can she beat the best in open company? You never know until you try but I’m fine with winning these as she starts to turn 3 and mature. Not sure when the nominations come out but she will probably nominate to a bunch of them.
Hope that makes sense.

[JBEX]

np str


probably value to be had in all situations..stepping up to the next level or a breakout effort while getting some experience and pp's don't look so good


one of each going @ cd..both are 2yo's

army mule

R6 #2 california burrito (10-1)

broke maiden easy 2nd start in the slop..allowance race today

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following race


liam's map

R7 #10 modo (12-1)

debut



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thought both ran well..the AM was obvious running 2nd by about a length.. the LM in the following race was up close to a blistering pace (44:1) and didn't give it up that badly..think with any luck good shot at breaking her maiden by start #3


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[JBEX]

Sun 11/17 AQ R6 W/Angels #1. Would you offer thoughts on this progression both distance and purse.

When do the Oaks futures come out??

pool 2 derby and oaks futures is thanksgiving weekend



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[str]

pool 2 derby and oaks futures is thanksgiving weekend



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Thanks for the info. I did not know.

[str]

purse doesn't bother ..understand it's a lot less than last race but it is a stakes..also purses will be significantly smaller now that it's officially the aqu meet and not baq..purse will be smaller than last also because it's a sprint

don't get the cutback at this stage ..increasing incrementally a furlong every race and now back to 6f .. relatively quick also ??

my guess,being she's a 2yo, is there are very limited spots for her to run so there doing what's available

Sounds like a real good guess too me. Makes sense.

[str]

np str


probably value to be had in all situations..stepping up to the next level or a breakout effort while getting some experience and pp's don't look so good


one of each going @ cd..both are 2yo's

army mule

R6 #2 california burrito (10-1)

broke maiden easy 2nd start in the slop..allowance race today

@ 3:26



following race


liam's map

R7 #10 modo (12-1)

debut



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California Burrito ran really well. Looks like the 48-1:13 fractions left too much in the tank for the winner. They finish up in 6 and change so that makes sense.

All these Army Mules do is run their butts off. Saw blood in his mouth through the stretch but he either bit the heck out of his tongue of hit his mouth on the front of the gate stall prior to breaking. But an Army Mule worry about that? Nope.
Somebody needs to name one of these AM's ROCKY or Italian Stallion might be better. Lol.



Modo:

So typical for a nice firster effort. Got caught up engaging like she was taught but as JBEX said, she had never done what she did that fast before. That slowly took it's tool as she was a bit late to switch leads, due no doubt to all the action she was dealing with for the first time, and just emptied out late. Was just winded because she did not understand. Almost like hyperventilating . More evidence was switching back to her left quickly in the gallop out. She was real tired. Not from a lack of fitness, it was a lack of proper breathing. She will be so much better next race in all probability.

Any kind of reasonable fractions early next out, and she runs great.


Both of these horses are really nice.

I can't imagine having this kind of quality back in the day. Guess it was good I didn't. I might have just lived in the barn . Lol.

[str]

Here is Mr. Jaques Politi's horse winning. He did not make the trip from Ohio that day.


Game Winner.... No, not that one, the one before. See, I missed the Ky. Derby by one name. Lol.

My man Joe Imparato was the jockey. So cool to win with him. He was the jockey of Lexington Park when I was the groom and it was my 1st stake win. That was the Oceanport Handicap at Monmouth . He beat Halo that day. It's in this thread somewhere.
BTW, the groom is Fred Groves who went on to train horses in Md. a few years later.

[Madison]

With The Angels

Thx to all. Much appreciated!!

[JBEX]

Here is Mr. Jaques Politi's horse winning. He did not make the trip from Ohio that day.


Game Winner.... No, not that one, the one before. See, I missed the Ky. Derby by one name. Lol.

My man Joe Imparato was the jockey. So cool to win with him. He was the jockey of Lexington Park when I was the groom and it was my 1st stake win. That was the Oceanport Handicap at Monmouth . He beat Halo that day. It's in this thread somewhere.
BTW, the groom is Fred Groves who went on to train horses in Md. a few years later.

nice shot and guess that's you all the way on the left..I always find it cool how all the info was just written longhand in the picture..nice old time feel to it

I remember you posting about beating halo at mth..I marvel at that with how important the halo bloodline is with sunday silence being a legendary sire in japan..not only his runners but stallions he produced and stallions his offspring produced.. was truly one of the greatest stallions in the world and you beat pops..pretty cool



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[str]

nice shot and guess that's you all the way on the left..I always find it cool how all the info was just written longhand in the picture..nice old time feel to it

I remember you posting about beating halo at mth..I marvel at that with how important the halo bloodline is with sunday silence being a legendary sire in japan..not only his runners but stallions he produced and stallions his offspring produced.. was truly one of the greatest stallions in the world and you beat pops..pretty cool



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Yeah. That's me on the left. I look cold. Pimlico can be cold and windy in March. Everybody has their hands in their pockets or in a fist. Haha.

[batt33]

Here is Mr. Jaques Politi's horse winning. He did not make the trip from Ohio that day.


Game Winner.... No, not that one, the one before. See, I missed the Ky. Derby by one name. Lol.

My man Joe Imparato was the jockey. So cool to win with him. He was the jockey of Lexington Park when I was the groom and it was my 1st stake win. That was the Oceanport Handicap at Monmouth . He beat Halo that day. It's in this thread somewhere.
BTW, the groom is Fred Groves who went on to train horses in Md. a few years later.

Wow that's pretty cool! Thanks for sharing!

[Madison]

With The Angels

12/07/2024

Aqu

Demoiselle-G2

1 1/8 m

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With The Angels

[str]

nice shot and guess that's you all the way on the left..I always find it cool how all the info was just written longhand in the picture..nice old time feel to it

I remember you posting about beating halo at mth..I marvel at that with how important the halo bloodline is with sunday silence being a legendary sire in japan..not only his runners but stallions he produced and stallions his offspring produced.. was truly one of the greatest stallions in the world and you beat pops..pretty cool



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Lexington Park beating Halo. Halo was 3rd.
All the Dutrow boys in there along with Dickie. 1973.

[JBEX]

a little army mule entertainent today


parx

R3 #3 la de peluche (5-2)
@ 12:59


bottom level maidens going 1 1/8 miles (long way for these) ..he's lost 13 times and I kind of agree with ml





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[str]

a little army mule entertainent today


parx

R3 #3 la de peluche (5-2)
@ 12:59


bottom level maidens going 1 1/8 miles (long way for these) ..he's lost 13 times and I kind of agree with ml





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Probably the slowest one I have seen? At least she fits the race and she does seem to have an every other race thing to her. Should be improved today. Maybe just layoff the pace and rally from 4th ?
Thanks JBEX.

[JBEX]

Probably the slowest one I have seen? At least she fits the race and she does seem to have an every other race thing to her. Should be improved today. Maybe just layoff the pace and rally from 4th ?
Thanks JBEX.

my angle would be seems to improve when close at the 1st call in the previous race ..excuse 9 races back and then ran well following race


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[JBEX]

my angle would be seems to improve when close at the 1st call in the previous race ..excuse 9 races back and then ran well following race


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might be lone speed with the #4 scratched

[str]

might be lone speed with the #4 scratched

Wow. With the 4 scratched, there is no speed but her and she is not speed. Lol.

This looks like one of those whoever breaks races. I would not chase her to make the lead but if she falls into that spot by all means take it. Her every other race is better sequence is showing an improved effort today. She should run real well in there.

[JBEX]

Wow. With the 4 scratched, there is no speed but her and she is not speed. Lol.

This looks like one of those whoever breaks races. I would not chase her to make the lead but if she falls into that spot by all means take it. Her every other race is better sequence is showing an improved effort today. She should run real well in there.

that speedball the 7 lol ..she only trails by about 15 lengths at the first call in her last 4 races..even for that level very slow upfront and holds for 2nd (#7 not mine) @ 53-1

[JBEX]

$103 for $1 is a terrific exacta for the odds .. 7 not played in exactas either..not hard to understand imo

[str]

Following up from yesterday, that filly by Army Mule just cannot run. First one I have seen. The options are to run her for 5k maidens going long at Charlestown where that effort yesterday will probably be a winning one, and only so she can be labeled a 'winner' in the pedigree page, or just stop the madness and prepare her for the breeding shed. Not that big a deal IMO either way as her overall earnings will be small even if she wins. I just don't see the point in anything else unless there is something going on I cannot see in the form.

[JBEX]

Following up from yesterday, that filly by Army Mule just cannot run. First one I have seen. The options are to run her for 5k maidens going long at Charlestown where that effort yesterday will probably be a winning one, and only so she can be labeled a 'winner' in the pedigree page, or just stop the madness and prepare her for the breeding shed. Not that big a deal IMO either way as her overall earnings will be small even if she wins. I just don't see the point in anything else unless there is something going on I cannot see in the form.

I think the glacial pace (being kind) might have played into it also 26/52:3/1:18:3 and just barely slid under 2 minutes lol..no wonder the 7 held so well..understand this is bottom level maiden claimers but even for them that's gotta be slow



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[Madison]

Lexington Park beating Halo. Halo was 3rd.
All the Dutrow boys in there along with Dickie. 1973.

Ohhh to be 1973 again. Long way in the rear view mirror. LOL

[JBEX]

Lexington Park beating Halo. Halo was 3rd.
All the Dutrow boys in there along with Dickie. 1973.

great shot..you were a little older than Tony and Rick Jr right ..were they involved at all with the operation at that point ? the latter would have been very young I guess


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[str]

Ohhh to be 1973 again. Long way in the rear view mirror. LOL

It sure is a long way back. I can remember so clearly that moment. When Lexington Park pulled up and came back to the winners circle for me to get him, everyone in the place started clapping. He was getting a standing ovation from the crowd. I was blown away having never experienced that before. The innocence of being 18 years old and that going on. Unreal.

Would not go back for anything though Madison. Lucky to live it once. That was enough.

Reminds me of the Bob Segar lyrics: "Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then". Against The Wind.

Can't imagine how dumb I actually was then. Lolol.

[Madison]

It sure is a long way back. I can remember so clearly that moment. When Lexington Park pulled up and came back to the winners circle for me to get him, everyone in the place started clapping. He was getting a standing ovation from the crowd. I was blown away having never experienced that before. The innocence of being 18 years old and that going on. Unreal.


Would not go back for anything though Madison. Lucky to live it once. That was enough.

Reminds me of the Bob Segar lyrics: "Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then". Against The Wind.

Can't imagine how dumb I actually was then. Lolol.

One of my favorite lyrics. Agreed my friend!!

Happy Holidays to you and yours!! Looking/Living with 2 bright 4 and 6 year old grandkids and hoping I last long enough to see them realize their potential. Have to admit the world today is not what I wish to have left them.

All my best!

[JBEX]

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churchill

R3 #3 south bend tom (3-1)
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