Horse Racing questions and answers

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the army mule we've been following goes in R1 @ kee today..#6 wisconsin gal (5-2)
@ 1pm

gets a nice jockey upgrade to frankie dettori

[Madison]

Gelded and running 6 weeks later is actually right in line for a horse that is running and is gelded after a race. So that makes sense.

Batt could be right if the problem was a tendon OR ligament/ suspensory stuff. You might see a fronts ON if that is the case. Basically ace bandages to help support the tendon and ligament area.
If so, it would be typical to scratch on any kind of off track as those create suction from the foot upwards which adds more strain to tendons and ligaments. That would also make sense if that is the case. Like when the mud tries to pull your boot off kind of thing.

As always greatly appreciated!!. Greyhounds were always interesting, as the turns are so acute when a hound was hurting one way or another you could see with their difficulty on the turns. Lot more room/tolerance with ponies, but I often wonder when horses drift way wide on the stretch turn if maybe that's an indication of leg issues. Just my background which I'll die with. LOL

[Madison]

the army mule we've been following goes in R1 @ kee today..#6 wisconsin gal (5-2)
@ 1pm

Not bad, but tiring.

[str]

Not bad, but tiring.

Keep an eye on her.


She might be a play next out. Terrible break, pinched, rushed and running off into the far turn. The rider hits her once and can feel her empty out. He puts the stick away at the 1/8th pole. She tries but is simply out of gas.
Better break and she will be right there next out.

[JBEX]

Not bad, but tiring.

at this stage she needs to win..stalking a lone frontrunner who imo (and the odds) is legit not the kind of trip you want..bad setup and think she'll get it done with a better one

[str]

at this stage she needs to win..stalking a lone frontrunner who imo (and the odds) is legit not the kind of trip you want..bad setup and think she'll get it done with a better one

Yep. She just needs to sit relaxed a bit preferably on the lead or outside. She will have plenty left with the right setup. She is really game
( like they all aren't). That fight the last 1/8th was all her. Gotta love that in a horse.

[JBEX]

Keep an eye on her.


She might be a play next out. Terrible break, pinched, rushed and running off into the far turn. The rider hits her once and can feel her empty out. He puts the stick away at the 1/8th pole. She tries but is simply out of gas.
Better break and she will be right there next out.

Yep. She just needs to sit relaxed a bit preferably on the lead or outside. She will have plenty left with the right setup. She is really game
( like they all aren't). That fight the last 1/8th was all her. Gotta love that in a horse.

agree with her possibly being a good bet next out so might be a silver lining to this

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Sweet Voyage Workout Report
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Sweet Voyage breezed a half mile in :47.60 from the gate this morning at Santa Anita Park. Your daughter Candy Ride broke sharply on the outside of her stablemate, Prodicherry. This work came to an end for Sweet Voyage at the three-eighths pole, which is before the stretch, while her workmate continued on an additional furlong.
Trainer Dan Blacker reported, "Filly worked in even fractions and finished up under a little encouragement. Good time working with decent sort."
Admittedly, we would have hoped to see better breezes visually over the past two weeks as she has received some tests in the morning. She is still making the progress needed from a fitness standpoint and, at this time, we are leaning towards her return coming on November 16th in the aforementioned $50,000 maiden claimer going one mile on turf at Del Mar.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG5611_1729369472338/MP4/IMG5611_1729369472338.mp4

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Straight No Chaser Workout Report
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Straight No Chaser turned in a strong work this morning covering five furlongs in 1:00.40 (5/70)over a tiring track. Your son of Speightster worked solo under Juan Landeros and traveled smoothly throughout. He came off the turn full of run, and responded nicely when he was asked to pick up the pace in the final stages.
We remain right on schedule for the Breeders’ Cup Sprint. He will have one final breeze next Saturday at Santa Anita before shipping to Del Mar

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG5614_1729366743774/MP4/IMG5614_1729366743774.mp4

[str]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Sweet Voyage Workout Report
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Sweet Voyage breezed a half mile in :47.60 from the gate this morning at Santa Anita Park. Your daughter Candy Ride broke sharply on the outside of her stablemate, Prodicherry. This work came to an end for Sweet Voyage at the three-eighths pole, which is before the stretch, while her workmate continued on an additional furlong.
Trainer Dan Blacker reported, "Filly worked in even fractions and finished up under a little encouragement. Good time working with decent sort."
Admittedly, we would have hoped to see better breezes visually over the past two weeks as she has received some tests in the morning. She is still making the progress needed from a fitness standpoint and, at this time, we are leaning towards her return coming on November 16th in the aforementioned $50,000 maiden claimer going one mile on turf at Del Mar.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG5611_1729369472338/MP4/IMG5611_1729369472338.mp4

Looks comfortable working.

Nothing wrong with that work. One of my favorite horses I ever had never went faster than a 1/2 in 53 in the morning. In the afternoon, she never went slower for a 1/2 than 46 and change .
She will find her spot.
The old adage, they work for show and they run for dough.

[str]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Straight No Chaser Workout Report
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Straight No Chaser turned in a strong work this morning covering five furlongs in 1:00.40 (5/70)over a tiring track. Your son of Speightster worked solo under Juan Landeros and traveled smoothly throughout. He came off the turn full of run, and responded nicely when he was asked to pick up the pace in the final stages.
We remain right on schedule for the Breeders’ Cup Sprint. He will have one final breeze next Saturday at Santa Anita before shipping to Del Mar

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/IMG5614_1729366743774/MP4/IMG5614_1729366743774.mp4

Nice work.

At 18 seconds he starts to level off a little. At 31 seconds he levels off more. Tricky to see but watch his head, his stride and how he puts his face out just a little more by extending his neck at each interval.

He is enjoying it Batt. Good stuff.

[str]

As always greatly appreciated!!. Greyhounds were always interesting, as the turns are so acute when a hound was hurting one way or another you could see with their difficulty on the turns. Lot more room/tolerance with ponies, but I often wonder when horses drift way wide on the stretch turn if maybe that's an indication of leg issues. Just my background which I'll die with. LOL

Drifting can be a habit but more often than not, it is the horse carrying his or her body slightly off balance that causes that, Sometimes it is a habit but yes, if they lean a certain way all the time at a certain place, it is probably shifting angles to relieve stress to an area that is of concern to them. Just like us when we have tweaked our back, knee, or whatever and are protecting that area. Good eye sir.

[str]

at this stage she needs to win..stalking a lone frontrunner who imo (and the odds) is legit not the kind of trip you want..bad setup and think she'll get it done with a better one

agree with her possibly being a good bet next out so might be a silver lining to this

Looks like the barn is filling up with real nice top shelf horses and some bet back types.

Plenty of action for everyone.

[JBEX]

Looks like the barn is filling up with real nice top shelf horses and some bet back types.

Plenty of action for everyone.

yes..basically the all stars and when an army mule or liam's map shows signs that it could improve ..with LM we have an all star in deterministic and AM with federal judge ..seen at least 2 other real talented LM and my other AM would be danse macabre (sure there's others with both)

I have never been able to get stable alerts right so the secondary trip horses have to find by chance .. always keeping an eye out for the biggies to run ..realize with them it's less about making money vs seeing them develop to their full potential

[str]

I have a question for you all.

When the track uses a second finish line does that bother any of you? When it is moved, every pole is wrong throughout the race. Do any of you notice that or ever get confused by it, even for a second?

It certainly affects the riders every now and then.

I think where I am going is; is this a problem for jockey's to deal with only or should management take the time to make sure all the pools are correct for each distance. Not that hard a fix at all IMO but more on that later.

Thanks

[JBEX]

I have a question for you all.

When the track uses a second finish line does that bother any of you? When it is moved, every pole is wrong throughout the race. Do any of you notice that or ever get confused by it, even for a second?

It certainly affects the riders every now and then.

I think where I am going is; is this a problem for jockey's to deal with only or should management take the time to make sure all the pools are correct for each distance. Not that hard a fix at all IMO but more on that later.

Thanks

I had a horse last week that won by a neck because the jock thought it was the first finish line and it wasn't..was a 9f race so I feel you have to be mindful going in that it can't be the first finish line..I feel that mistake should never happen but I guess anybody can have a blip every now and then
..sure anybody who had that horse was furious with the jockey not to mention the connections


I think just do away with 1 mile races on an 8.5f layout ..majority of races are at 8.5 and on occasion they run at 9f ..maybe add a chute for a 1 turn mile if that's doable but have a hunch they would have already with the significance of this meet


like to hear what you think

[batt33]

I have a question for you all.

When the track uses a second finish line does that bother any of you? When it is moved, every pole is wrong throughout the race. Do any of you notice that or ever get confused by it, even for a second?

It certainly affects the riders every now and then.

I think where I am going is; is this a problem for jockey's to deal with only or should management take the time to make sure all the pools are correct for each distance. Not that hard a fix at all IMO but more on that later.

Thanks

Yes It bothers me for sure.... as you stated " every pole is off" and if i'm not paying attention I get confused easily...

[batt33]

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/StylishlyNotThisTimeWeek6RoundPen_1729625322290/MP4/StylishlyNotThisTimeWeek6RoundPen_1729625322290.mp4

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]The Round Pen (Phase 6)
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Your son of Not This Time completes the final step of the breaking process at Wavertree as he gallops in the roundpen. In this step, he is training inside of the round pen, which is more spacious than the shedrow, but still a confined space. He will continue this training for about a week, at which point he will go ahead and begin galloping in a field on the farm. Enjoy the video above.

I really like how he is talking about switching leads when they go both directions....

[JBEX]

I had a horse last week that won by a neck because the jock thought it was the first finish line and it wasn't..was a 9f race so I feel you have to be mindful going in that it can't be the first finish line..I feel that mistake should never happen but I guess anybody can have a blip every now and then
..sure anybody who had that horse was furious with the jockey not to mention the connections


I think just do away with 1 mile races on an 8.5f layout ..majority of races are at 8.5 and on occasion they run at 9f ..maybe add a chute for a 1 turn mile if that's doable but have a hunch they would have already with the significance of this meet


like to hear what you think

they'd have to build an overpass

[str]

I had a horse last week that won by a neck because the jock thought it was the first finish line and it wasn't..was a 9f race so I feel you have to be mindful going in that it can't be the first finish line..I feel that mistake should never happen but I guess anybody can have a blip every now and then
..sure anybody who had that horse was furious with the jockey not to mention the connections


I think just do away with 1 mile races on an 8.5f layout ..majority of races are at 8.5 and on occasion they run at 9f ..maybe add a chute for a 1 turn mile if that's doable but have a hunch they would have already with the significance of this meet


like to hear what you think

they'd have to build an overpass

Yeah, that's usually the problem. Something in the way.

Laurel had a chute for 1 mile races but eliminated years ago. It had a chute like the Wilson chute at the Spa but not quite as severe I don't think. Still, the riders complained about the 1-2 hole getting jammed up entering the main track and they did have a point. So they extended the 7/8ths chute another 1/16th ( as far as the could extend it), and added a 2nd finish line. I never liked it personally.


With all the poles wrong, I thought it was stupid. Again, I think I have an easy fix but I'll give it another day in case someone else wants to chime in.

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Seize the Grey Breeze Report
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Seize the Grey turned in a very nice final Churchill Downs breeze first thing this morning. His official clocking was 1:13 2/5 for six panels, with internal splits of :24 3/5, :36 4/5 and :48 3/5 and a seven-furlong gallop out in 1:27 3/5. Your son of Arrogate has worked like a machine in each of his breezes since the Pennsylvania Derby, and we really liked the response he showed when asked to finish up strong in the final sixteenth today.
He seemed to cool out very well back at the barn and appears ready to fire his best shot in the Dirt Mile. He is scheduled to fly California in the late morning tomorrow, and the next time we check in with him it’ll be at Del Mar
.https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...9683430149.mp4

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Update
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We had a chance to watch Caldera train this morning at Churchill Downs and he continues to thrive. He should return to the worktab in the next few days. Enjoy the accompanying video.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/Caldera_1729683847756/MP4/Caldera_1729683847756.mp4

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https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...9625322290.mp4
[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]The Round Pen (Phase 6)
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Your son of Not This Time completes the final step of the breaking process at Wavertree as he gallops in the roundpen. In this step, he is training inside of the round pen, which is more spacious than the shedrow, but still a confined space. He will continue this training for about a week, at which point he will go ahead and begin galloping in a field on the farm. Enjoy the video above.

I really like how he is talking about switching leads when they go both directions....

This is excellent video to see a horses mannerisms, thought process, comfort or not so comfortable moments, etc. If you watched it 3 times, you would see more each time.
I'll say this Batt. This guy is excellent at his job. As good as it gets. And he is just great to watch. With as many clowns out there training horses, working with them, etc., this guy and his staff are cream of the crop stuff. Whatever they are being paid, it's probably not enough. All the little things they are doing. It really makes a difference down the road.
Real nice job Batt !

[str]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Seize the Grey Breeze Report
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Seize the Grey turned in a very nice final Churchill Downs breeze first thing this morning. His official clocking was 1:13 2/5 for six panels, with internal splits of :24 3/5, :36 4/5 and :48 3/5 and a seven-furlong gallop out in 1:27 3/5. Your son of Arrogate has worked like a machine in each of his breezes since the Pennsylvania Derby, and we really liked the response he showed when asked to finish up strong in the final sixteenth today.
He seemed to cool out very well back at the barn and appears ready to fire his best shot in the Dirt Mile. He is scheduled to fly California in the late morning tomorrow, and the next time we check in with him it’ll be at Del Mar
.https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...9683430149.mp4

He does love what he is doing. Always seems to enjoy working. I guess most do but he seems real happy.

BTW, that groom? Top notch. Anby groom that holds their water bucket in their hand while throwing water on the horse woith a spongue is a first class groom. He was taught VERY well.
When you see a groom do that, instead of leaving that heavy bucket on the ground, that's all I need to see. He was well taught. Leave enough buckets 1/2 full next to a horses feet while you bath them is an accident waiting to happen when something happens and the takes some side steps.
When we hired young men from the Pimlico neighborhood who wanted to work and did not know what they were doing, I would pay them to be a hot walker and an extra few bucks to just stand there and watch a good groom work. And holding that bucket while washing them was high on the list. My asst. trainer or foreman would point things out that were not allowed before they ever started rubbing horses. It was one of my pet peeves because I saw first hand how bad a horse can get itself hurt if the bucket is on the ground.
Oh the little things Batt. Details, details.
Oh, and let me add to the previous post that the guy at the farm is tremendous IMO. Whatever he is getting paid, it's not enough.
Thanks Batt.

[str]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Update
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We had a chance to watch Caldera train this morning at Churchill Downs and he continues to thrive. He should return to the worktab in the next few days. Enjoy the accompanying video.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/Caldera_1729683847756/MP4/Caldera_1729683847756.mp4

Agree with the highlighted. Looks great !

[JBEX]

R2 kee #3 foxy zora (9-2)..a liam's map..very playable

@ 1:32

[batt33]

He does love what he is doing. Always seems to enjoy working. I guess most do but he seems real happy.

BTW, that groom? Top notch. Anby groom that holds their water bucket in their hand while throwing water on the horse woith a spongue is a first class groom. He was taught VERY well.
When you see a groom do that, instead of leaving that heavy bucket on the ground, that's all I need to see. He was well taught. Leave enough buckets 1/2 full next to a horses feet while you bath them is an accident waiting to happen when something happens and the takes some side steps.
When we hired young men from the Pimlico neighborhood who wanted to work and did not know what they were doing, I would pay them to be a hot walker and an extra few bucks to just stand there and watch a good groom work. And holding that bucket while washing them was high on the list. My asst. trainer or foreman would point things out that were not allowed before they ever started rubbing horses. It was one of my pet peeves because I saw first hand how bad a horse can get itself hurt if the bucket is on the ground.
Oh the little things Batt. Details, details.
Oh, and let me add to the previous post that the guy at the farm is tremendous IMO. Whatever he is getting paid, it's not enough.
Thanks Batt.

Every time I post a video I learn a little more! I never knew about the "holding the bucket" while bathing the horse!
I agree with you about " Ciaran Dunne" at Wavertree stables I enjoy listening to him talk through the process.
Again I enjoy your insights!

[JBEX]

baq sat R10
@ 4:51

mother goose (g2)


#7 headline numbers (4-1)


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[JBEX]

baq sat R10
@ 4:51

mother goose (g2)


#7 headline numbers (4-1)


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a listed stakes at the same distance is running on 11/3 (baq also) but it's a 3 and up (checked again ..is for fillies and mares)..that "could" be just as tough as a g2 for 3yo only don't you think str ?

[JBEX]

The high claimers and the other than conditions did run separately. The A other than and the 2 OT always seemed to fill. Short was a fuller field typically but they both got at least 7 and typically 8-10 in the sprints and 7-9 in the long for the 2ot. The A other than was usually a little fuller than that. In the 70's the 3OT would fill. again, typically the sprint got 7-8 and the long got 6-8. But when every state started going year round, those numbers shrunk by 2-3 horses and the 3 OT would fill about 2 out of 3 times. But always a short field. The old high claimers were great. Sooo many really good olders, both boys and girls. But again, those stopped filling to the point that as much as I hated it, it did make sense to combine them. Especially when they went with triples every race darn near. The rule was that a triple race had to have 9 to be carded. All that stuff eventually got straightened out but it took a few years to get it where it is. Have to admit that some of todays conditions are ridiculous with all the various eligibility stuff. Jeez. But I'm showing my age I guess.


You are pretty much correct in the equivalency. And yes, it took two different races that both struggled with filling and combined them to get a race for both categories. The claimers almost always had an edge in those but eventually it seemed to catch up a bit.

They ran a 3OT every 12 -14 days in both short and long and boys and girls. But as the racing got diluted with so many tracks running against each other, they got tougher to fill which prompted the addition of a claiming price.

The 100k was too much back then. Inflation had not caught up. You saw a lot of 35k and even 50k in Md. NY was higher of course. Kings Swan was claimed for 75K I think. Dickie showed NY what he had been doing in Md. for years in claiming horses that he got to win stakes. Honestly, too many to list all the horses he claimed and won a stake with. And some of those claims were 14,500. Lexington Park for starters but many others. I cannot believe Dickie did not get considered for the HOF. Probably Rick and all that went on had something to do with that. You pull up his lifetime stats, and yes, he died early as compared to Delp and Leatherbury who is still at the track betting everyday. I love King. 93 and havin a ball. He is wild.
I'm thinking about writing a letter to the HOF to ask for him to be considered. Compare all 3 stats and tell me why he shouldn't be there when they are. Dying early should be graded on a curve I think. And I know... Spectacular Bid, but he is in. Delp rode in on him.



Hope I got all the questions. Hit me back if I missed any.
Thanks JBEX.

kee R7 tomorrow is a "non winner "4x" other than" .. those were pretty rare many years ago, if I remember correctly..like a g2 or 3 stakes race at this venue and possibly the only major track where they'd run one currently

[JBEX]

liam's map .. kee R8 #10 trust fund philly (3-1)..a 2yo listed stakes and this one won her debut last start




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[str]

a listed stakes at the same distance is running on 11/3 (baq also) but it's a 3 and up (checked again ..is for fillies and mares)..that "could" be just as tough as a g2 for 3yo only don't you think str ?

It could. But you never know until it's too late. Lol.

Can't, knock his choice of spots.

[batt33]

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Breeze Report

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...9869864641.mp4
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Caldera worked extremely well, per usual, this morning at Churchill Downs. Under Jaime Torres, and inside of stablemate Bon Temps—who’s a solid work horse in his own right—Caldera cruised along effortlessly through a sharp five furlongs in :59.40.(1/11) As you’ll see, he was always going much easier than his mate and crossed the wire about two lengths clear with zero encouragement. He still wasn’t asked for anything on the gallop out, but continued on well past the wire.
Trainer D. Wayne Lukas is considering two possible maiden special weights at Churchill Downs for Caldera’s unveiling: a five-furlong race on Nov. 14, or a six-furlong one on Nov. 16. The latter is more likely as of now and seems to make more sense distance wise.
I loved the way he worked inside the other horse.

[batt33]

well that changed quick!

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Update[/COLOR]

We’ve got a change of plans for Caldera. While trainer D. Wayne Lukas told us this morning after the colt’s breeze that he planned to skip the seven-furlong spot in the condition book that was drawing today for Nov. 1, he was not aware at the time that there was also a six-furlong option on the overnight being offered as an extra. The distance of the book race was the main reason for bypassing that one, but Caldera seems plenty ready as far as fitness and preparedness goes, so The Coach went ahead and entered Caldera in the six-furlong extra race once he became aware of it.
Caldera will be the #6 among a field of 12 in next Friday’s fifth race at Churchill Downs, a maiden special weight carrying a $120K purse. Post time is 3:14 p.m. ET. We’ll follow up with more on the field this weekend or early next week.

[JBEX]

well that changed quick!

[COLOR=rgba(77, 76, 76, 0.9)]Caldera Update[/COLOR]

We’ve got a change of plans for Caldera. While trainer D. Wayne Lukas told us this morning after the colt’s breeze that he planned to skip the seven-furlong spot in the condition book that was drawing today for Nov. 1, he was not aware at the time that there was also a six-furlong option on the overnight being offered as an extra. The distance of the book race was the main reason for bypassing that one, but Caldera seems plenty ready as far as fitness and preparedness goes, so The Coach went ahead and entered Caldera in the six-furlong extra race once he became aware of it.
Caldera will be the #6 among a field of 12 in next Friday’s fifth race at Churchill Downs, a maiden special weight carrying a $120K purse. Post time is 3:14 p.m. ET. We’ll follow up with more on the field this weekend or early next week.

really looking forward to see him run batt .. the coincidences with the sire and name is pretty remarkable