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  • dugdogg
    SBR MVP
    • 11-10-10
    • 2708

    #631
    Originally posted by blackbeSSt
    im gonna bite on o61.5 +100 tonight
    you should be taking the UNDER when there's 8 or more games on the schedule AUTOMATIC...the over never even had a chance today. the under was a lock before the late games even started
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    • Viperpiper
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 11-12-10
      • 885

      #632
      cashed huge on the under tonight with 11 games...

      thank you 1-0 games

      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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      • blackbeSSt
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 09-06-08
        • 9398

        #633
        Originally posted by dugdogg
        you should be taking the UNDER when there's 8 or more games on the schedule AUTOMATIC...the over never even had a chance today. the under was a lock before the late games even started
        you do know the last time there was 11 games (11/12) there was 61 goals scored

        so far days with a total of 8 or more games, the under woulda lost on:

        11/15 with 9 games (50 goals scored) 49.5 as the total
        11/12 as mentioned above
        11/10 with 8 games (51 goals scored) 44.5 as the total
        11/8 with 9 games (53 goals scored) 49.5 as the total
        11/5 with 11 games (70 goals scored) 58 as the total

        the only day this month that had 8 or more games that won was 11/3 which had 10 games with 47 goals

        so im not sold yet on taking the under on every day that has 8 or more games

        and i wouldn't say missing it by 4 goals was a "never had a chance" thing to say considering the first couples games started out shitty
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        • blackbeSSt
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-06-08
          • 9398

          #634
          and in october you woulda had a record of 5-4 taking the under in days that had 8 or more games. and a monthly total of 14-12 taking under in EVERY game

          and a 5-12 recored taking only under in every game so far this month.
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          • the chef
            SBR Rookie
            • 12-16-07
            • 27

            #635
            Viper anyway I can get in touch with you now when the other forum is gone?
            TC
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            • Viperpiper
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 11-12-10
              • 885

              #636
              Originally posted by the chef
              Viper anyway I can get in touch with you now when the other forum is gone?
              TC
              I'm trying to work something out for every that was on Riggs site, now that its gone.
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              • JakeRyan
                SBR Hustler
                • 03-15-09
                • 55

                #637
                Originally posted by Viperpiper
                I'm trying to work something out for every that was on Riggs site, now that its gone.
                Keep me in the loop.
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                • dima2240
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 12-15-10
                  • 405

                  #638
                  viper any play for today and when do you usually post your picks?thanks.
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                  • dugdogg
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-10-10
                    • 2708

                    #639
                    i made almost 2k taking the UNDER on those games last year alone and am up this year as well...

                    you have to compare to the actual grand salami number, not just assumming it's 5.5 x number of total games...for years the salami has been inflated and averages over 5.5 per game...so the salami under is hitting way more often than you think.

                    i've been doing this religiously guys...take it for what it is...i'm gonna keep pounding the under until the books finally start releasing lower salami lines
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                    • blackbeSSt
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 09-06-08
                      • 9398

                      #640
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                      • the chef
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 12-16-07
                        • 27

                        #641
                        Originally posted by JakeRyan
                        Keep me in the loop.
                        Me too
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                        • dugdogg
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-10-10
                          • 2708

                          #642
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                          • dima2240
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 12-15-10
                            • 405

                            #643
                            so no picks for tonight?
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                            • blackbeSSt
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 09-06-08
                              • 9398

                              #644
                              Originally posted by dugdogg
                              well i know for a fact your wrong because i keep a log 11/3 u55 was a WIN 11/5 u60 was a LOSS 11/8 u49.5 was a LOSS 11/10 u45 was a LOSS 11/12 u62 was a WIN 11/15 u49.5 was a LOSS 11/17 u61.5 was a WIN get the facts straight guys...we hit a 2 week rut where there were several high scoring games...otherwise...keep hittin the under guys...you jumped in at a bad time...but the salami's shouldn't even be 5.5 ave because a lot of nights the totals for individual games is 5 even...
                              my facts are correct bud.....based on my book which is 5dimes. congrats on playing at a book that has a higher number. keep pounding it if its working. but again, 5dimes is averaging 5.5 goals per game (like tonight with 3 games and 16.5 goals) so my numbers are correct for this month and probably the season so far.
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                              • JakeRyan
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 03-15-09
                                • 55

                                #645
                                Viper PM you email addy. I can PM u cause I have less than 20 posts.
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                                • Viperpiper
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 11-12-10
                                  • 885

                                  #646
                                  Originally posted by statsmachine
                                  I'm new to gambling, and my post assumed that the salami is ALWAYS set at 5.5 * number of games. If that is incorrect, then I need to adjust based on what the salami is actually set at.

                                  Let me know how you guys want to see the data. If you would like, I can export every game and its score on all nights where there are more than 8 teams playing - that way you can verify my numbers above.

                                  -mike
                                  quite a few games are 5, and you see 6's occasionally too.
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                                  • dugdogg
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-10-10
                                    • 2708

                                    #647
                                    Originally posted by blackbeSSt
                                    my facts are correct bud.....based on my book which is 5dimes. congrats on playing at a book that has a higher number. keep pounding it if its working. but again, 5dimes is averaging 5.5 goals per game (like tonight with 3 games and 16.5 goals) so my numbers are correct for this month and probably the season so far.

                                    take a look here




                                    that guy confirms with me this month the salami is 3-4 this month not 2-5....you're ASSUMING the salami is 5.5 times total num of games...it's not bro...each night it varies...and the books pretty much have the same salami number everywhere on the planet. it's a rare bet and doesn't move much...

                                    im using the ACTUAL salami number that i record every day. i have 5dimes, betUS, and 2 locals...it's the same dude.
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                                    • blackbeSSt
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 09-06-08
                                      • 9398

                                      #648
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                                      • dugdogg
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-10-10
                                        • 2708

                                        #649
                                        i can give you screenshots of my bets, that's how you know the number. i know what the salami is every day. sometimes its exactly 5.5 sometimes its not. it varies based on the matchups. it's not a computer based number that's spit out....the linesmakers set it around the sum of the totals of all games....

                                        why are you telling me my record when you're assuming and averaging? i'm telling you what my record is cuz i bet it each time. you don't...what is your deal?

                                        by the SAME i mean, local and online books...it's the same number each night between the books on a given day. you dont get linemovement really with the salami cuz like i said its a rare bet and there's not much action that piles on to one side
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                                        • blackbeSSt
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 09-06-08
                                          • 9398

                                          #650
                                          Originally posted by dugdogg
                                          i can give you screenshots of my bets, that's how you know the number. i know what the salami is every day. sometimes its exactly 5.5 sometimes its not. it varies based on the matchups. it's not a computer based number that's spit out....the linesmakers set it around the sum of the totals of all games.... you're asking if i can read?? you say according to that link 11/12 was a loser?? i think you must be red-green color blind. take a look again pal. why are you telling me my record when you're assuming and averaging? i'm telling you what my record is cuz i bet it each time. you don't...what is your deal? by the SAME i mean, local and online books...it's the same number each night between the books on a given day. you dont get linemovement really with the salami cuz like i said its a rare bet and there's not much action that piles on to one side
                                          then tell me how your boy who you linked to early has numbers that are about 1-1.5 goals off of what vegasinsider has?

                                          11/5 skyscraper has a total of 59.5 whereas VI has a number of 58.
                                          11/12 skyscraper has a total of 61.5 and VI has 60

                                          and my deal is when you come in here and spout off saying the the under is AUTOMATIC for days that have more then 8 games. im just showing you numbers here recently that show otherwise
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                                          • dugdogg
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-10-10
                                            • 2708

                                            #651
                                            again, when i brought this subject up it was 7-3-1 just this year after being around 67% last year. had a bad week of 3 straight losses when there were 9,10 or 11 goals scored in some games. that won't keep up

                                            you are working with too small of a sample size of data. i've been doing this for over a year. it's hitting an astronomically high hit rate. it's an automatic under. my numbers match that guys...i have no clue where VI is pulling them from but they certainly are way off from all the local and online books i check daily.

                                            just take the under with us and make money. that's what we're here for.
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                                            • dugdogg
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 11-10-10
                                              • 2708

                                              #652
                                              Originally posted by statsmachine
                                              The big question for me is, why would it matter how many games there are in a given night?

                                              Over the last 4+ years, average home score = 2.9662 and average away score = 2.6898.

                                              Total average game score = 5.656

                                              As you have more games in a given night, wouldn't it trend closer to the average of "greater than 5.5"?

                                              The only possible explanation is that when 8 games are played in a given night, that's when bookies up it by one goal from 5.5*8 = 44 to 5.656*8=45.248.

                                              So is this the circumstance when they add that extra goal? And if so, I would agree that "under" makes sense, by 0.248.
                                              the reasoning is that if you have a really high scoring game of 8+ goals per game, that means those extra goals have to be made up by other games going under...the more games on the schedule, the more chances you have to make up for that big game. extremely low scoring games are much more frequent than extremely high scoring games with the way the game has evolved now a days.

                                              if there's only a few games on the board...then even a 7 goal game and ruin the UNDER...
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                                              • dugdogg
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-10-10
                                                • 2708

                                                #653
                                                what i'd like to see is a frequency graph of goals per game. i believe the huge majority of the cluster would be games that go under 5.5 goals...with a small amount of outliers around 8,9,10 goals per game..

                                                so my thinking is that since it's so much more frequent to have lower and in particular EXTREMELY lower scoring games like 1-0 and 2-1...that the more games on the schedule would give a greater probability to make up for an extreme game that goes way over 5.5 goals on any given day.

                                                last year it certainly proved right because i got burned a lot taking salami unders on days with fewer than 8 games. i came up with 8 arbitrarily so maybe changing that gives an even better chance to the salami. i dont know

                                                last year it was golden and it looks really good so far this year other than the 3 straight losses last week when there was an abundance of scoring. this week its looking more back to usual. we'll see what happens tonight!
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                                                • the chef
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 12-16-07
                                                  • 27

                                                  #654
                                                  Originally posted by JakeRyan
                                                  Viper PM you email addy. I can PM u cause I have less than 20 posts.
                                                  Same for me, Sorry for OT
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                                                  • blackbeSSt
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-06-08
                                                    • 9398

                                                    #655
                                                    not arguing here, just wanted to bring up that the total goals at 5dimes today is 66.5 which is again pretty damn close to an average of 5.5 goals. even though there are 2 games with a total of 5 it still comes out very close to 5.5/game.
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                                                    • dugdogg
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 11-10-10
                                                      • 2708

                                                      #656
                                                      Originally posted by blackbeSSt
                                                      not arguing here, just wanted to bring up that the total goals at 5dimes today is 66.5 which is again pretty damn close to an average of 5.5 goals. even though there are 2 games with a total of 5 it still comes out very close to 5.5/game.
                                                      no one here ever disagreed with you. my point was that it can be a goal or so difference from exactly 5.5 ...and there have been many wins and losses in the past year by a half goal. so that makes a difference in the record as well. im seeing my local as 66 on the dot which is exactly 5.5..but getting juiced to the over. for some reason today there's a lot of action on the salami. probably cuz it's the biggest board in a while.

                                                      i'm gonna stick with my under. hey it may lose as a lot of the public is on the over...but the salami under has won 2 of the last 3 and the only loss was by a half goal. so i think the bad streak a couple weeks ago may be in the past.
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                                                      • blackbeSSt
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 09-06-08
                                                        • 9398

                                                        #657
                                                        piper you not posting plays on here anymore?
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                                                        • LetsGoBruins
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 10-01-11
                                                          • 110

                                                          #658
                                                          Originally posted by blackbeSSt
                                                          piper you not posting plays on here anymore?
                                                          He posts sporadically, said will go at it again after the all star game as he got off to a bad start and believes he should've (can) do better based on his results from last year.
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                                                          • RingoStar
                                                            SBR Hustler
                                                            • 06-13-11
                                                            • 73

                                                            #659
                                                            Salami today?
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                                                            • Viperpiper
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 11-12-10
                                                              • 885

                                                              #660
                                                              Originally posted by RingoStar
                                                              Salami today?
                                                              yes
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                                                              • Viperpiper
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 11-12-10
                                                                • 885

                                                                #661
                                                                Originally posted by LetsGoBruins
                                                                He posts sporadically, said will go at it again after the all star game as he got off to a bad start and believes he should've (can) do better based on his results from last year.
                                                                Im around just busy with life and sh1t.

                                                                ill be posting plays

                                                                If you want input on a particular lean you have pm me.
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                                                                • Viperpiper
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 11-12-10
                                                                  • 885

                                                                  #662
                                                                  Wednesday November 22nd, 2011

                                                                  Pittsburgh Penguins Regulation -115 5 Units
                                                                  Philly Flyers Regulation +105 2 Units
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                                                                  • dugdogg
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 11-10-10
                                                                    • 2708

                                                                    #663
                                                                    salami under has been doin well again on big boards...took it big today again
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                                                                    • Winnipeg Jets
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 05-16-09
                                                                      • 1723

                                                                      #664
                                                                      Originally posted by Viperpiper
                                                                      Wednesday November 22nd, 2011

                                                                      Pittsburgh Penguins Regulation -115 5 Units
                                                                      Philly Flyers Regulation +105 2 Units
                                                                      think the pens hit their tt over 3.5?
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                                                                      • Winnipeg Jets
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 05-16-09
                                                                        • 1723

                                                                        #665
                                                                        Originally posted by Winnipeg Jets
                                                                        think the pens hit their tt over 3.5?
                                                                        took pens reg and tt...that was quick cash
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