Photo evidence - Torres goal offsides

[hockey216]

said this in my last post. people told me i needed glasses. look at these photos and let me know what you think. i paused the goal video that the other user uploaded and took snapshots.

[hockey216]

here is another.

[hockey216]

here is another. kind of blurry because in fast motion. puck is on blue line. to make it easier i circled where the puck is on blue line. overall, in my opinion these 3 photos show that torres goal was offsides. it was a close call, but bruins still got screwed.

[hockey216]

and in case people have the offsides rule confused...

Offsides rule: The puck must completely cross the blue line and be entirely in the offensive zone before any player's skate crosses the blue line and is entirely in the offensive zone. If a player's skate is in the offensive zone before the puck completely crosses line, it's offsides. Puck must be entirely in offensive zone before a skate can be entirely in offensive zone.

In the photos above, the players skate is in the zone before the puck crosses the line.

[moses millsap]

canucks are getting all the breaks and calls this year, it's destiny they win the cup

[hockey216]

here is another.

[hockey216]

clarifying that the left is the offensive zone, right is neutral zone. ppl might get confused. so uploaded with the captions.

[a4u2fear]

Even so, I've lived through two no goals. It was so close it can't be blamed. Enough posts already

[DennisGreen]

WTF you talking about? You're allowed to have one skate in the zone before the puck. That's why players always drag their back skate to stay onside. His back foot is still on the line by the time the puck is completely across the blue line.

Regardless hockey is a fast sport and it's tough for refs sometimes, even though clearly they got the call right here.

[mike-dub]

just let it go my friend, this will be a long series! and it's offside, not offsides

[D3 Mighty Ducks]

Learn the rules of hockey before you try to make an argument. You're aloud to have one skate over the blue line and one on it, this will make you onside. It was a very very close call but he was onside which leads to a fair goal. Let it go..

[pepper60000]

looks like the right call to me...tough call for the ref either way though, glad they let it stand...

[hockey216]

WTF you talking about? You're allowed to have one skate in the zone before the puck. That's why players always drag their back skate to stay onside. His back foot is still on the line by the time the puck is completely across the blue line.

Regardless hockey is a fast sport and it's tough for refs sometimes, even though clearly they got the call right here.

no. you are not allowed to have one skate in before puck. incorrect. i played hockey for 12 years. offside rule is that puck must enter zone before ANY skate enters zone. If either skate is in zone before puck, it's offside.

[hockey216]

Here is another photo. One skate offside = play offside. you are not allowed to have one skate offside. Puck has to enter zone before any skate.

[pinchylarue]

no. you are not allowed to have one skate in before puck. incorrect. i played hockey for 12 years. offside rule is that puck must enter zone before ANY skate enters zone. If either skate is in zone before puck, it's offside.

so when a player straddles the blue line to stay onside and one foot is in and one is out, you are saying this is offside?
no offence, but did you play hockey in africa or something? learn the rules before making shit threads.

wikipedia:

There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

1. Attacking players' skate position: One of a player's skates is not in contact with or behind the blue line of the attacking zone before the puck enters that zone.
2. Puck position: The puck must completely cross the edge of the blue line nearest the attacking zone to be considered inside the attacking zone for the purposes of offsides.

Note that the puck must enter the attacking zone for an offside call to be made; a player being over the line does not result in an offside call until the puck crosses the line.
An attacking player's skates may precede the puck into the attacking zone provided he is in control of the puck and no other offside condition exists when the puck completely crosses the determining edge of the blue line.


now read that and learn kid

[hockey216]

Learn the rules of hockey before you try to make an argument. You're aloud to have one skate over the blue line and one on it, this will make you onside. It was a very very close call but he was onside which leads to a fair goal. Let it go..

i did learn rules of hockey. i played it for 12 years. where did you play hockey? 1 skate offside = play offside. you are not allowed to have any skate enter zone before puck.

To be onside, puck enters zone before any skate!

[pinchylarue]

There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

1. Attacking players' skate position: One of a player's skates is not in contact with or behind the blue line of the attacking zone before the puck enters that zone.
2. Puck position: The puck must completely cross the edge of the blue line nearest the attacking zone to be considered inside the attacking zone for the purposes of offsides.

Note that the puck must enter the attacking zone for an offside call to be made; a player being over the line does not result in an offside call until the puck crosses the line.
An attacking player's skates may precede the puck into the attacking zone provided he is in control of the puck and no other offside condition exists when the puck completely crosses the determining edge of the blue line.


it says one not two. did you happen to play goalie for 12 years?

[hockey216]

so when a player straddles the blue line to stay onside and one foot is in and one is out, you are saying this is offside?
no offence, but did you play hockey in africa or something? learn the rules before making shit threads.

wikipedia:

There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

1. Attacking players' skate position: One of a player's skates is not in contact with or behind the blue line of the attacking zone before the puck enters that zone.
2. Puck position: The puck must completely cross the edge of the blue line nearest the attacking zone to be considered inside the attacking zone for the purposes of offsides.

Note that the puck must enter the attacking zone for an offside call to be made; a player being over the line does not result in an offside call until the puck crosses the line.
An attacking player's skates may precede the puck into the attacking zone provided he is in control of the puck and no other offside condition exists when the puck completely crosses the determining edge of the blue line.


now read that and learn kid

you strengthened my argument. lol. it said definition of an offside violation = one skate is across line before puck. it said "one of a players skates is not in cotanct with or behind the blue lnie of attacking zone before puck enters that zone."

He did have one skate that was not on or behind blue line before puck entered!!!!!!!!!!! his skate was across blue line!!!!!!

No, I did not play hockey in Africa. Where did you play? Your own definition said that if one skate is across line before puck, that = offside. Thanks for the definition. it strengthened my argument. A play is offside if one skate enters zone before puck. I showed photo that clearly illustrated this. Stop insulting me. I know the rules.

[hockey216]

The definition does not say the play is ON-side with one skate. It says that the play is OFF-side with one skate. Meaning one skate not over line = offside. Read the definition then think.

There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

1. Attacking players' skate position: One of a player's skates is not in contact with or behind the blue line of the attacking zone before the puck enters that zone.

[pinchylarue]

if you could read properly, it said if one skate is behind the blue line(neuteral zone) then that is okay.
I play hockey in canada and have been for 17 years

[pinchylarue]

wow some people are just stupid, ill let you keep thinking what you think and make a fool out of yourself to everyone you argue with
btw I know where you played hockey, USA right ?

[hockey216]

There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

1. Attacking players' skate position: One of a player's skates is not in contact with or behind the blue line of the attacking zone before the puck enters that zone.
2. Puck position: The puck must completely cross the edge of the blue line nearest the attacking zone to be considered inside the attacking zone for the purposes of offsides.

Note that the puck must enter the attacking zone for an offside call to be made; a player being over the line does not result in an offside call until the puck crosses the line. An attacking player's skates may precede the puck into the attacking zone provided he is in control of the puck and no other offside condition exists when the puck completely crosses the determining edge of the blue line. it says one not two. did you happen to play goalie for 12 years?

one of his skates was not behind line/in contact with line!!!!!!!!! It says OFF-side is if ONE skate passes line before puck. you are reading definition of OFF-side not ON-side. It clearly says that OFF-side is anytime EITHER of the guy's ONE skates is in contact/across line before the puck.

[hockey216]

It's amazing how many fans don't know the rules. Read the definition again. It does not say "On-side = one skate behind line"

It says "OFF-side = one skate behind/on the blue line when puck crosses." Read the definition. It says an "off-side" is when ONE skate is not completely past the line when the puck crosses it. Meaning ONE skate being across line before puck = offside. One skate offside = play offside. Ask any hockey player. Ask any coach. stop insulting me. read the rules. ask a hockey commentator. Ask a coach in canada for all i care.

[pinchylarue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUdHmeGsmI

[hockey216]

The statement of one skate before blue line/ one skate across blue line is what they define an "OFF-side" as. They do not define that as ON-side. They define that as OFF-side. read it.

There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

1. Attacking players' skate position: One of a player's skates is not in contact with or behind the blue line of the attacking zone before the puck enters that zone.

[hockey216]

anyway, no use arguing. if people dont know rules or disagree... hey, all i can suggest is to meet a ref. anyway, Goodluck to everyone in all their NHL wagers and all their other gambling related wagers this season! I'm going out for a beer. Have a good time everybody. Should be a great game tomorrow.

[pinchylarue]

its pretty basic dude, if you cant understand, go back to highschool

[DwightShrute]

if people dont know rules or disagree...

you and you and ONLY you!

go have the beer

[mike-dub]

hockey216, this is poor explanation of offside and i can see how it can be misread. because keslers right foot was not in contact with the blue line, but his left foot was. i think a better explanation is one thats been said a few times already "at least one foot must be in contact with the blue line before the puck crosses into the attacking zone" either way, if it was offside, you would be hearing about it alot more than we have been ( i actually havent heard anything about it since the game)

[hockey216]

haha. people are fair to disagree. In every league i played in, the rule was "puck has to enter zone first." Most of the time, that's the way they call it in the nhl. but hey, it was a close call. Either way, i have respect for everyone on here who gave their honest opinion. i posted the photos in attempt to draw other knowledgeable sports fans' opinions. And it appears i've done that. So, im content with this. everyone, GL on all future NHL wagers. Offside is a somewhat inconsistent ruling anyway. GL everybody! Didn't mean for any rudeness, as i respect everybody who contributes their positive valuable opinion to this forum.

Maybe i'm just a pissed off bruins fan. ahahhaa. Anyway, it was a really close call. GL everybody on your game 2 wagers! hopefully it will be long series!

[hockey216]

maybe they call it differently in the NHL. I've watched tons of HS and college D-1 hockey and that's always how it gets called. puck's gotta enter zone before anything. Anyway, who knows... i respect everyone's opinion here. Even the people who told me i'm wrong. i tip my hats to you for helping me better analyze the rule, regardless of who's right. This forum is a great resource, and last thing i want is to be rude or start fights. Anyway, GL to you in your future wagers!

[Cranium]

Thanks for posting the pic...

Go Bruins!

[QuikNZ]

Official NHL rules say he is not offside. Sorry mate.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26497

Rule 83 - Off-side

83.1 Off-side - Players of the attacking team must not precede the puck into the attacking zone.

The position of the player’s skates and not that of his stick shall be the determining factor in all instances in deciding an off-side. A player is off-side when both skates are completely over the leadingedge of the blue line involved in the play.

A player is on-side when either of his skates are in contact with, or on his own side of the line, at the instant the puck completely crosses the leadingedge of the blueline regardless of the position of his stick. However, a player actually controlling the puck who shall cross the line ahead of the puck shall not be considered “off-side,” provided he had possession and control of the puck prior to his skates crossing the blue line.

[70kgman]

All you did was post photographic evidence that it was onside. Sorry hockey216, but you are confused and mistaken on what offside is.

[D3 Mighty Ducks]

i did learn rules of hockey. i played it for 12 years. where did you play hockey? 1 skate offside = play offside. you are not allowed to have any skate enter zone before puck.

To be onside, puck enters zone before any skate!

You couldn't be anymore wrong. If you actually played hockey for 12 years, which is probably BS, than you played 12 years of hockey without understanding the rules of onside/offside. I played hockey up until the 12th grade and now I'm coaching a single A hockey team in my community. Straddling the blue line means having one foot over the blue line and one foot either in the neutral zone or on the line. In conclusion, straddling the blue line is allowed and what Kesler did was he dragged his foot on the blue line until the puck crossed the line. Which means your wrong.