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  • stevenash
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    Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
    I wouldn't mind seeing a Yates/Padres reunion.
    Only Mo did it better than Trevor.

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  • JAKEPEAVY21
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    I wouldn't mind seeing a Yates/Padres reunion.

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  • jrgum3
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    Originally posted by stevenash
    USC I think.
    Arizona State has got be up there too.

    Currently?
    Probably Vandy.
    All time I think you're right it's USC but currently Vandy produces the most MLB players.

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  • stevenash
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    Originally posted by Otters27
    What college has the most MLB players ever?
    USC I think.
    Arizona State has got be up there too.

    Currently?
    Probably Vandy.

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  • Otters27
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    What college has the most MLB players ever?

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  • EmpireMaker
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    Former saves leader Kirby Yates is back on the free agent market, with last offseason’s one-year deal with the Blue Jays having wrapped up. That $5.5MM gamble didn’t pan out for Toronto, as Yates suffered a flexor strain that required a March Tommy John surgery. The 34-year-old is expected back at some point midseason in 2022, MLBTR’s Steve Adams confirms, a timeline that seems to align with the typical approximate fourteen-month recovery from TJS.
    Ken Rosenthal of Athletic reported yesterday (on Twitter) that Yates is likely to land a two-year contract this offseason. It’s become fairly common to see teams sign pitchers rehabbing from Tommy John procedures to two-year deals, writing off most or all of the first season with an eye towards buying low on a talented arm in year two. Last offseason, the Dodgers and Mariners agreed to deals of this ilk with Tommy Kahnle and Ken Giles, respectively.
    In most instances, such deals involve salaries a bit above the league minimum for the first year and a few million dollars above that the following season. There’s not yet any indication about what kind of offers Yates is looking at specifically, although the possibility for a late-season return in 2022 could give him a bit of a boost relative to other similar situations. Assuming his recovery continues as planned, Yates could market two potential stretch runs and postseasons. Kahnle and Giles, on the other hand, were expected to be out for all of 2021 at the time they signed their respective deals.
    Yates has barely pitched over the past two seasons on account of elbow issues, so it’s easy to forget how dominant he was at his peak. A late bloomer who bounced around the league on waivers through the first few years of his MLB career, he took his game to a new level upon landing with the Padres in 2017. Between then and the end of 2019, the right-hander pitched to a 2.31 ERA across 179 1/3 innings of relief, striking out a brilliant 38.7% of batters faced while walking just 6.8%. In addition to his aforementioned 2019 saves crown, he was selected to the All-Star game and finished seventh in National League Cy Young award voting that season.
    Even as he enters his age-35 season, Yates should still have a decent number of suitors hoping he can recapture some of that late-game dominance. Rosenthal lists the D-Backs as one team with interest, and others likely have entered or will enter the fray over the coming weeks. The Twins and Dodgers were among the clubs known to have interest in Yates during his trip through free agency last winter.

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  • Cross
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    Love the Wander deal both for him as a 20 year old with generational wealth and great for rays obviously.

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  • Cross
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    Hate to see the Cardinals get Matz.

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  • Stallion
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    If the Jays lose Robbie Ray and Semien they are done.

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  • JMobile
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    Originally posted by jrgum3
    I saw that 1998 Yankee team in person and I have to say that was probably the Yankees best team out of all the championship runs they had with Jeter on the team. Its hard to compare eras but that Yankee team measures up favorably against any of the Yankee teams from the past that won it all and is definitely one of the best teams of all time in MLB history.
    Yankees were unstoppable that year.

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  • stevenash
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    Originally posted by jrgum3
    I saw that 1998 Yankee team in person and I have to say that was probably the Yankees best team out of all the championship runs they had with Jeter on the team. Its hard to compare eras but that Yankee team measures up favorably against any of the Yankee teams from the past that won it all and is definitely one of the best teams of all time in MLB history.
    I too as well saw that 1998 Yankee season and I agree.
    That team was the last super team we've seen in baseball in the past quarter century.

    Believe it or not I've ben trying to write a book.
    It'll probably never go anyplace as it's a herculean task, I'm loving the effort but it's a pain in the ass.

    The book pretty much deals with the past quarter century of baseball.
    Starting with the end of the Braves incredible string of division titles and the start of the Yankee dynasty to the Red Sox living the dream to the finally, at last Cubs, all the way to now.

    It started out innocently enough, I was collecting data for the age old question "Does good pitching beat good hitting"?
    (Short answer, it does.)

    I don't want to get too long winded in this post.
    I wanted to collect data, proof if you will that good pitching does indeed good hitting so I was looking at the past 25 World Series winning teams and how they won it all.

    Short answer to the question, 19 of the past 25 World Series winners won due to better pitching.
    Pitching staffs, top to bottom usually consist of 11 pitchers or about 44 percent of the team.
    Teams with superior hitting with an average pitching staff will usually get beat by teams with the superior pitching and weaker hitting.
    That's my opinion backed up with data.

    The Angels won their championship with solid pitching, Giants too.
    KC had two rock solid starters with a six man bullpen that was virtually unhittable.
    That bullpen unit was pretty much the best bullpen you'll ever see in MLB again.
    But who knows as we enter the bullpen era of baseball.

    Fans usually overlook the fact that the Yankees and Red Sox won their titles with guys like Pedro, and Mariano, and Andy Pettitte...
    They're usually thought of of these superior power teams with the likes of Manny and Papi and all.
    Look at their pitching staffs as well.

    To answer your question.
    Yes, the 1998 Yankees were the last super team I've seen.
    Top to bottom, all 14 batters and position players, all 11 pitchers, bullpen and starters.

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  • Otters27
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    Originally posted by jrgum3
    The Astros hadn't won one until they won by cheating in 2017. The Expos never won one before moving to Washington but the Nationals managed to break through and get a ring. The Rangers, Padres and Tampa Bay Rays are on the list but unlike the Mariners they've at least reached the World Series.
    That's what I was thinking don't remember the Ms ever making a world series. Can't believe those Griffy teams never got there

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  • Chi_archie
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    Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
    Everytime the SD Padres or Chargers made the World Series or Superbowl, they played historically great teams...just our luck
    yeah, it's uncanny

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  • JAKEPEAVY21
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    Originally posted by jrgum3
    I saw that 1998 Yankee team in person and I have to say that was probably the Yankees best team out of all the championship runs they had with Jeter on the team. Its hard to compare eras but that Yankee team measures up favorably against any of the Yankee teams from the past that won it all and is definitely one of the best teams of all time in MLB history.
    Everytime the SD Padres or Chargers made the World Series or Superbowl, they played historically great teams...just our luck

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  • EmpireMaker
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    Steven Matz won’t be returning home to join a Mets rotation in need of help.
    The free-agent pitcher agreed to terms with the Cardinals on a four-year deal worth $44 million, an industry source confirmed Tuesday night. The contract includes incentives that can increase its value to $48 million. ESPN first reported the agreement, which is pending a physical.

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  • jrgum3
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    Originally posted by JMobile
    Padres....1998 was a close season until strike 3 to Tino Martinez was called a ball.
    I saw that 1998 Yankee team in person and I have to say that was probably the Yankees best team out of all the championship runs they had with Jeter on the team. Its hard to compare eras but that Yankee team measures up favorably against any of the Yankee teams from the past that won it all and is definitely one of the best teams of all time in MLB history.

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  • EmpireMaker
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    The Reds are open to trading free agent starter Sonny Gray this offseason, reports Buster Olney of ESPN (Twitter link). However, Olney hears that Cincinnati isn’t amenable to moving either of Luis Castillo or Tyler Mahle.
    No deal involving Gray appears to be close, but he’s seemingly the most likely Reds starter to wind up on the move at some point. That’s not especially surprising, since Gray’s also the most expensive of their top trio. Cincinnati has opened the offseason scaling back expenditures, and general manager Nick Krall has spoken about “aligning (the team’s) payroll to its resources.” Early reports suggested a Castillo deal could be part of those efforts, but Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic reported last week that it was doubtful any deal involving the 28-year-old would come to fruition.
    Gray looks like a fairly straightforward trade candidate as he enters the final guaranteed year of his contract. He’s slated to earn around $10.67MM in 2022 and remains under club control for 2023 via $12.5MM club option. (Gray would also receive a $1MM assignment bonus in the event of a trade). That’s a reasonable sum for a pitcher of Gray’s caliber, but it also makes him Cincinnati’s fourth-highest paid player. And the three players set to earn loftier sums (Joey Votto, Mike Moustakas and Eugenio Suárez) wouldn’t be easy to move. Votto’s a franchise icon who has full no-trade protection; Moustakas and Suárez are coming off bad 2021 seasons and wouldn’t figure to hold much appeal to other clubs.
    On the other hand, Gray offers a blend of fairly substantial but still team-friendly salary that could make a trade realistic. He’s coming off a season in which he posted a 4.19 ERA/3.85 SIERA across 135 1/3 innings. That’s decent mid-rotation production, and Gray was even better over his first couple seasons in Cincinnati. Despite pitching in one of the league’s more hitter-friendly home environments, the right-hander reeled off 231 1/3 innings of 3.07 ERA ball from 2019-20.
    Gray has backed up those solid results with strong underlying numbers. While he typically runs walk rates a bit higher than the league average, he also generates an enviable combination of punchouts and grounders. Gray has posted above-average strikeout and ground-ball percentages in each of the past three seasons. His 27% and 47.2% marks in those categories in 2021 were his lowest since 2018, but even those were both markedly above the respective league averages (22.6% and 42.7%) for starting pitchers.
    Installing Gray into the middle of a rotation should have plenty of appeal around the league. The Dodgers were already rumored to have interest in that possibility this offseason, and others would join them if the Reds’ front office began to discuss trade frameworks in earnest.
    Both Castillo and Mahle could bring even greater returns, as they’re arguably superior pitchers who are more affordable. Like Gray, both righties are controllable for two more seasons, but they’re proceeding through arbitration. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Castillo for a $7.6MM salary in 2022; Mahle is projected to bring in around $5.6MM. Both pitchers would stand to earn a final raise in 2023, although it’s unlikely either would match or top the value of Gray’s $12.5MM option that year.
    Nevertheless, it doesn’t seem the Reds are preparing to tear the roster down completely. Coming off an 83-win season with a strong core led by their talented rotation, it’s not implausible that Cincinnati could compete next season. A frugal offseason would certainly make building a strong roster more difficult for Krall and his front office, particularly with middle-of-the-order presence Nick Castellanos likely to sign elsewhere as a free agent. A returning group including Castillo, Mahle, Votto, Jesse Winker, Jonathan India and Tyler Stephenson certainly has promise, though. Speculatively speaking, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see them target near-MLB players in potential discussions involving Gray to help thread that needle of remaining competitive while cutting costs.

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  • JMobile
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    Originally posted by Otters27
    Who has never won a world series?

    Mariners, Rockies....
    Padres....1998 was a close season until strike 3 to Tino Martinez was called a ball.

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  • stevenash
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    My in-laws have Red Sox connections, they tell me Semien is very much on the radar.
    That's what the Red Sox free agency plan is.
    Middle infield, and starting pitching.

    Xander is a free agent next year, his asking price will be the same as Correa's, Sox won't take on another big contract like Mookie's was.
    Semien's contract will be a fraction of what the Sox what have to pay Xander to stay.

    If Boston does sign Semien he'll play 2B this upcoming season, Xander will stay at SS, most likely his last at Fenway.
    Sox still want to resign Schwarber, he wants to test the market, and the Sox said "by all means."

    Sox will probably land Robbie Ray.
    They'll have to pay up for him though. Big time.

    Sad news.
    Doug Jones the great Cleveland reliever died yesterday.

    Guys we watched play when we were in Jr. HS, or HS are now dying off.
    Reality check guys.

    RIP Doug Jones.
    Man he could get some clutch late innings outs, huh?

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  • Chi_archie
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    Originally posted by EmpireMaker
    The free agent starting pitching market has moved very quickly over the offseason’s first few weeks, and it seems another domino could soon fall. Southpaw Steven Matz is likely to pick his destination before Thanksgiving, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link).
    Interest in Matz has been robust, with the Red Sox, incumbent Blue Jays, Mets, Dodgers, Cardinals and Angels among teams already rumored to have interest. Jon Heyman of the MLB Network adds the Tigers, Cubs and Giants to that mix. The Mets have put forth a formal offer, although they’re joined in that regard by seven other clubs, according to Anthony DiComo of MLB.com (on Twitter).
    Matz is coming off a nice season in Toronto, rebounding from an awful 2020 campaign to toss 150 2/3 innings of 3.82 ERA ball. The 30-year-old didn’t miss too many bats, but he only walked 6.6% of opponents and induced grounders at a solid 45.5% clip. Matz’s 4.12 SIERA wasn’t quite as impressive as his ERA, but both his actual run prevention and peripherals have typically hovered right around 4.00.
    That’s valuable mid-rotation production, although Matz has previously had some issues with the long ball. Home runs weren’t an issue in 2021, but he served up an astonishing 14 round-trippers in just 30 2/3 frames with the Mets in 2020. That showing seemingly marked for an ugly end to a generally solid tenure in Queens, but the New York front office apparently has interest in bringing him back into the fold after his bounceback showing this year.
    Each of the Tigers, Cubs and Giants entered the offseason known to be targeting rotation help. The Cubs claimed Wade Miley off waivers from the division-rival Reds. Detroit has already signed Eduardo Rodríguez, while San Francisco has reunited with Anthony DeSclafani and are seemingly on the verge of a deal with Alex Wood. None of that trio has as marked a rotation need as they did just two weeks ago, but there’s enough uncertainty on all three clubs’ staffs that they can and probably will make another rotation addition of some sort this winter.
    The Jays considered making Matz an $18.4MM qualifying offer but ultimately decided against it. Toronto won’t receive a compensatory pick if he were to sign elsewhere, then, while adding Matz wouldn’t cost another team a draft pick.
    Miley a good pick up for the cubs

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  • jrgum3
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    Originally posted by Otters27
    Who has never won a world series?

    Mariners, Rockies....
    The Astros hadn't won one until they won by cheating in 2017. The Expos never won one before moving to Washington but the Nationals managed to break through and get a ring. The Rangers, Padres and Tampa Bay Rays are on the list but unlike the Mariners they've at least reached the World Series.

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  • EmpireMaker
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    The free agent starting pitching market has moved very quickly over the offseason’s first few weeks, and it seems another domino could soon fall. Southpaw Steven Matz is likely to pick his destination before Thanksgiving, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link).
    Interest in Matz has been robust, with the Red Sox, incumbent Blue Jays, Mets, Dodgers, Cardinals and Angels among teams already rumored to have interest. Jon Heyman of the MLB Network adds the Tigers, Cubs and Giants to that mix. The Mets have put forth a formal offer, although they’re joined in that regard by seven other clubs, according to Anthony DiComo of MLB.com (on Twitter).
    Matz is coming off a nice season in Toronto, rebounding from an awful 2020 campaign to toss 150 2/3 innings of 3.82 ERA ball. The 30-year-old didn’t miss too many bats, but he only walked 6.6% of opponents and induced grounders at a solid 45.5% clip. Matz’s 4.12 SIERA wasn’t quite as impressive as his ERA, but both his actual run prevention and peripherals have typically hovered right around 4.00.
    That’s valuable mid-rotation production, although Matz has previously had some issues with the long ball. Home runs weren’t an issue in 2021, but he served up an astonishing 14 round-trippers in just 30 2/3 frames with the Mets in 2020. That showing seemingly marked for an ugly end to a generally solid tenure in Queens, but the New York front office apparently has interest in bringing him back into the fold after his bounceback showing this year.
    Each of the Tigers, Cubs and Giants entered the offseason known to be targeting rotation help. The Cubs claimed Wade Miley off waivers from the division-rival Reds. Detroit has already signed Eduardo Rodríguez, while San Francisco has reunited with Anthony DeSclafani and are seemingly on the verge of a deal with Alex Wood. None of that trio has as marked a rotation need as they did just two weeks ago, but there’s enough uncertainty on all three clubs’ staffs that they can and probably will make another rotation addition of some sort this winter.
    The Jays considered making Matz an $18.4MM qualifying offer but ultimately decided against it. Toronto won’t receive a compensatory pick if he were to sign elsewhere, then, while adding Matz wouldn’t cost another team a draft pick.

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  • Otters27
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    Who has never won a world series?

    Mariners, Rockies....

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  • jrgum3
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    Originally posted by stevenash
    Read where Boston is making a big push for Robbie Ray.
    That would be interesting but I kind of hope he stays with Toronto after the terrific season he just had with them capped off by a Cy Young award.

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  • Cross
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    No talk of Hosmer to cubs outside of Peavy.

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  • stevenash
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    Read where Boston is making a big push for Robbie Ray.

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  • JMobile
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    Originally posted by stevenash
    Carp has done well for himself.





    Year Age Tm Salary SrvTm Sources Notes/Other Sources
    2012 26 St. Louis Cardinals $480,000 0.012 contracts
    2013 27 St. Louis Cardinals $504,000 1.012 contracts
    2014 28 St. Louis Cardinals $1,000,000 2.012 contracts
    2015 29 St. Louis Cardinals $3,750,000 3.012 contracts
    2016 30 St. Louis Cardinals $6,500,000 4.012
    2017 31 St. Louis Cardinals $10,000,000 5.012 contracts
    2018 32 St. Louis Cardinals $13,750,000 6.012
    2019 33 St. Louis Cardinals $14,750,000 7.012 contract
    2020 34 St. Louis Cardinals $18,500,000 8.012 contract
    2021 35 St. Louis Cardinals $18,500,000 9.012 contract
    2022 36 St. Louis Cardinals *$18,500,000 10.012 $18.5M Vesting Option, $2M Buyout Option vests with 1100 PA total in 2020-21 and 550 PA in 2021
    Career to date (may be incomplete) $87,734,000 Does not include future salaries ($0)
    At this point, I would retire and perhaps find a coaching job. I would be comfortable with all that money retiring.

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  • jrgum3
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    Originally posted by stevenash
    Carp has done well for himself.





    Year Age Tm Salary SrvTm Sources Notes/Other Sources
    2012 26 St. Louis Cardinals $480,000 0.012 contracts
    2013 27 St. Louis Cardinals $504,000 1.012 contracts
    2014 28 St. Louis Cardinals $1,000,000 2.012 contracts
    2015 29 St. Louis Cardinals $3,750,000 3.012 contracts
    2016 30 St. Louis Cardinals $6,500,000 4.012
    2017 31 St. Louis Cardinals $10,000,000 5.012 contracts
    2018 32 St. Louis Cardinals $13,750,000 6.012
    2019 33 St. Louis Cardinals $14,750,000 7.012 contract
    2020 34 St. Louis Cardinals $18,500,000 8.012 contract
    2021 35 St. Louis Cardinals $18,500,000 9.012 contract
    2022 36 St. Louis Cardinals *$18,500,000 10.012 $18.5M Vesting Option, $2M Buyout Option vests with 1100 PA total in 2020-21 and 550 PA in 2021
    Career to date (may be incomplete) $87,734,000 Does not include future salaries ($0)
    That's quite a bit of money. No matter what happens the rest of the way I'd say Carp has had a successful career.

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  • JAKEPEAVY21
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    Originally posted by Chi_archie
    I can see that
    Cross is very excited about it

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  • Chi_archie
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    Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21
    Hosmer to the Cubs gaining traction
    I can see that

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  • EmpireMaker
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    MLB has told teams that outfielder Seiya Suzuki will be posted tomorrow morning, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman. That will open a 30-day window for teams to negotiate with him, with the deadline being 4:00 pm CT on December 22. If he doesn’t sign a contract by then, he will return to the Hiroshima Carp, his team in Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball.
    It was reported weeks ago that Suzuki was going to be posted, but the official timing of the posting is significant. The Collective Bargaining Agreement between MLB and MLBPA is set to expire at 11:59 pm ET on December 1. Due to the fact that it seems unlikely a deal will come together by then, the expectation around the industry has been that December 2 will see the implementation of a lockout and transaction freeze that would last until a new agreement is reached. Commissioner Rob Manfred discussed this scenario recently and seemed to point to its likelihood.
    There’s a ten-day span from Suzuki’s posting tomorrow until that potential lockout day. Joel Sherman of the New York Post confirms that a transaction freeze would indeed apply to Suzuki as well, meaning no team could sign him while the freeze is in place. It had been previously reported that MLB and NPB were discussing an agreement wherein Suzuki’s 30-day clock would be paused during the freeze. That agreement seems to have been reached, as Sherman also reports that Suzuki’s 30-day clock will not move during a lockout. That means Suzuki is going to have to decide between hastily working out a deal in just over a week or dealing with the uncertainty of waiting out this winter’s labor strife and then having around 20 days of negotiating time on the other side of that.
    Suzuki came in 20th on MLBTR’s list of Top 50 Free Agents and was predicted to get a contract of $55MM over five years. The 27-year-old seems capable of stepping right into the middle of the lineup for an MLB team, along with providing a strong arm and competent right field defense. Any big league team that signs Suzuki would owe the Carp a fee equal to 20% of the contract’s first $25MM, 17.5% of the next $25MM and 15% of any dollars thereafter. For example, if Suzuki were signed for $55MM as MLBTR predicted, the signing team would have to pay the Carp $10.125MM, bringing the total bill to $65.125MM. Since the reports that he was going to be posted, Suzuki has already been connected in rumors to the Red Sox, Rangers, Giants and Mariners.

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  • stevenash
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    Carp has done well for himself.





    Year Age Tm Salary SrvTm Sources Notes/Other Sources
    2012 26 St. Louis Cardinals $480,000 0.012 contracts
    2013 27 St. Louis Cardinals $504,000 1.012 contracts
    2014 28 St. Louis Cardinals $1,000,000 2.012 contracts
    2015 29 St. Louis Cardinals $3,750,000 3.012 contracts
    2016 30 St. Louis Cardinals $6,500,000 4.012
    2017 31 St. Louis Cardinals $10,000,000 5.012 contracts
    2018 32 St. Louis Cardinals $13,750,000 6.012
    2019 33 St. Louis Cardinals $14,750,000 7.012 contract
    2020 34 St. Louis Cardinals $18,500,000 8.012 contract
    2021 35 St. Louis Cardinals $18,500,000 9.012 contract
    2022 36 St. Louis Cardinals *$18,500,000 10.012 $18.5M Vesting Option, $2M Buyout Option vests with 1100 PA total in 2020-21 and 550 PA in 2021
    Career to date (may be incomplete) $87,734,000 Does not include future salaries ($0)

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  • Cross
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    Carpenter is a strikeout machine at this point. Pitchers own him, shell of his old self.

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  • JMobile
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    Carpenter was a Dodgers killer. Good luck to him.

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  • stevenash
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    Originally posted by Chi_archie
    good luck matt carpenter
    One of the best at what he does, that being super utility dude.
    Every team needs a Swiss Army Knife in their dugout.
    Not many can play every infield position, outfield if he has too, and come off the bench as pinch hitter and pinch fielder.
    .368 career OBA is rock solid, close to elite.

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