Demian Maia (-165) vs Alan Belcher (+155), UFC Fight Night 22

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  • lasker
    SBR MVP
    • 01-27-10
    • 1683

    #1
    Demian Maia (-165) vs Alan Belcher (+155), UFC Fight Night 22


    Alan Belcher has been making a lot of noise lately. Mostly by blowing his own horn, but it is true that his results have been impressive. Since his loss to Jason Day, he won a close decision against Ed Herman, lost a close decision (which many, myself included, disagreed with) to Akiyama, and finished three very dangerous fighters in Kang, Gouveia, and Cote. He has been all but demanding his title shot, declaring himself the only person not afraid of standing with Anderson Silva. There is little doubt that he would be embarrassed by Anderson Silva, but his striking is at least as good -- and often much better -- than all the "mere mortals" in the Spider's division. There is no doubt that he's a better striker than Maia and would destroy him in a kickboxing match.

    But this is not a kickboxing match. An estimated 90% of MMA fights go to the ground at some point, and this one will not be an exception. And when it does go to the ground, it will be finished there. Maybe not right away, but eventually Maia will get the submission.

    Belcher has good submission skills. He is fresh off of his submission over Cote at UFC 113, and he also choked out Denis Kang in a fight Kang had been winning handily up until he choked (literally), which is unfortunately his tendency. In addition, he has only been submitted once, and that was against Kendall Grove who is an excellent jiu-jitsu fighter himself. But he has never faced someone as lethal on the ground as Demian Maia.

    Maia is regarded by some as the best jiu-jitsu fighter in MMA. He is undoubtedly among the top five: the other four are Roger Gracie (who gets my vote), Fabricio Werdum (who just submitted King Fedor) Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza (whom Maia defeated in a jiu-jitsu competition), and Robert Drysdale (who recently made his MMA debut). Shinya Aoki is also phenomenal, of course,but the other five have more impressive pure grappling credentials.

    Maia was 6-1 in the UFC before succumbing to Anderson Silva in the debacle that was UFC 112. His wins included submissions over Herman, Quarry, and Sonnen who are all very good wrestlers. Sonnen is one of the best wrestlers in all of MMA, and Maia surprised him with a stunning takedown and an instantaneous transition to a fight-ending triangle choke.

    Alan Belcher does not have the takedown defense to stop Maia. He doesn't have great takedown defense to begin with: in every single one of his UFC fights to date, opponents who wanted to take the fight to the ground managed to do so (sometimes with his foolish cooperation, as in his fight against Day) at least once. Belcher strikes me as a bit stubborn and he thinks his grappling is better than it really is. I think he may even want to "prove" that he can hang with Maia on the ground, just as he stated that he wanted to make a statement by submitting Kang rather than winning by TKO.

    But even if he's smart enough to try to keep this on the feet, he won't be able to. Maia is very smart about setting up his takedowns, and once he gets the fight to the ground the difference in skill-level will be immediately apparent. Belcher does not have the kind of training partners who can adequately prepare him for someone with Maia's world class grappling, regardless of how hard he trains for this fight.

    All fights begin standing up, and Belcher's striking is technical and his Muay Thai is very dangerous. But he is not known for one-punch knockout power; he hurts his opponents by the accumulation of strikes instead. Thus, there is not as much danger here as there was with Marquardt when he blasted Maia in 21 seconds. Belcher may land a couple of strikes, but if he's also worried about the takedown it will affect his stance and consequently his power.

    In my opinion this fight is no different from the other 90% of fights that go to the ground at some point. And in any round, when this fight hits the ground Maia will either submit Belcher or do more than enough to win the round. I see Maia by submission in round two. Getting Maia @-165 is a steal; stylistically this is a perfect matchup for him to once again showcase his wizardry on the ground.
  • Vrakas
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 02-27-10
    • 627

    #2
    i agree maia takes this one.
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    • THE_LOCKSMITH
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 08-25-08
      • 7237

      #3
      i'm on the opposite end, i like Belcher. Just think he'll be able yo keep it standing where he is the better of the fighters. at +160 i'll take that
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      • clarkd32
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 09-15-06
        • 863

        #4
        would go with belcher at the plus money. fight is closer to even imo.
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        • GunShard
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-05-10
          • 10032

          #5
          Maia should be able to win.
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          • Vaughany
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 03-07-10
            • 45563

            #6
            Just take Belcher by decision and Maia by submission...much better value thn betting on either of them to win outright.
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            • lasker
              SBR MVP
              • 01-27-10
              • 1683

              #7
              Originally posted by Vaughany
              Just take Belcher by decision and Maia by submission...much better value thn betting on either of them to win outright.
              I disagree completely. First because Belcher by TKO and Maia by decision are both real possibilities, and in either case you would lose both bets. Second, even if one of those two outcomes was somehow guaranteed, it's still not necessarily better value than Maia straight up -- it would all depend on the lines and the winning probabilities for each fighter. It's impossible to say there's "much better value" on two outcomes that we don't even have lines for yet.
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              • Vaughany
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 03-07-10
                • 45563

                #8
                I Cant see Maia winning by decision...if he chooses to stand with Belcher he will just get picked apart leading to a Belcher decision or like you say a Belcher TKO/KO (which could definitely happen) but I jus think its more likely that Belcher would win by decision than TKO, but obviously depends on the odds. This would mean that the only way Maia could win by decision is by either lay n pray or by just being more active on the ground, however as we know with history, if you go to the ground with Maia it wont last long, and he certainly will never lay n prey! Maia is not gonna TKO/KO Belcher and I think will be intelligent enough to get this to the ground and sub Belcher in round 2 or 3. I just think if your going to bet on Maia at all it would be better value to bet on him to win by sub at at least +200 than bet on him to win at -165. Clearly different bookmakers are going to differ with their odds for prop bets but PaddyPower which I use is usually rather generous with their props so maybe Im being a bit presumptuous when saying that there will be 'much better value' doing a prop bet!
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                • lasker
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-27-10
                  • 1683

                  #9
                  I've noticed you do very well with your prop bets. I can't say I agree in this case, since I feel the likelihood of Maia winning is high enough to make it worth betting without the straddle, but good luck to you!
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                  • sundin4prez
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-09-10
                    • 1970

                    #10
                    im going with belcher.... i personals think think this is going to end up being a kickboxing match, maia wont be able to get belcher down early so he'll use his striking which is decent but not better then belcher... i think belcher will be able to pepper shots in which will lead to a dec. win
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                    • Vaughany
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 03-07-10
                      • 45563

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lasker
                      I've noticed you do very well with your prop bets. I can't say I agree in this case, since I feel the likelihood of Maia winning is high enough to make it worth betting without the straddle, but good luck to you!
                      ha cheers, if I do go for the straddle it wont be a big play...all in all tho I agree with your prediction tht Maia will win!
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                      • Vaughany
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 03-07-10
                        • 45563

                        #12
                        Belcher is OUT...torn retina.
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                        • lasker
                          SBR MVP
                          • 01-27-10
                          • 1683

                          #13
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                          • vassman86
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-11-08
                            • 1042

                            #14
                            Ouch, sounds like a pretty serious injury.
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                            • Vaughany
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 03-07-10
                              • 45563

                              #15
                              Perhaps give Maia the winner of Munoz/Okami if they're fit and healthy enough after tonight!
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                              • lasker
                                SBR MVP
                                • 01-27-10
                                • 1683

                                #16
                                I wonder if Joe Silva will just call up Leben again... you know he'd take the fight!
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                                • Vaughany
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 03-07-10
                                  • 45563

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by lasker
                                  I wonder if Joe Silva will just call up Leben again... you know he'd take the fight!
                                  ha yee...love to see Leben attempt to pull off a triangle on Maia!
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                                  • Shane
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 02-28-10
                                    • 466

                                    #18
                                    That sucks, man. That was pretty nice main event for a Fight Night card.
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