UFC 204: Bisping vs. Henderson 2 (October 08, 2016)

[firekillex]

Extremely surprised to see people here on hendo... Guy is literally terrible now he's what 46-47lol? That last bisping fight was 7 years ago where hendo was most likely juicing and bisping didn't come in with a right gameplan. Hendo literally has one weapon he's basically stuck in mud at the point anybody with half decent movement would absolutely demolish him. I see this going down like bisping / Cung lee where bisping just lands so many shots by round 3+ he's basically just getting tagged repeatedly would be surprised if hendo can last 5 here tbh... Guys chin isn't getting any better he's won 3 outta the past 9..... Boetsch who's a plodding fighter, Lombard who's a plodding fighter and shogun after getting starched for a while lands a lucky Hail Mary bomb, bisping under his new coach seems to be a new man and that Ko loss I think will actually help him since he'll know to never circle into that power shot again hell dart in and out and hendo will be hitting air most likely , he always can land that shot but bisping has some of the best movement at 85 , at this point of there careers bisping is notches above hendo, I don't even see hendo beating anybody in the top 10 right now tbh....would need +350 or more to even consider hendo -210 is an absolute steal for the undefeated in UK bisping lets go count

also mousasi by mauling unless Trt vitor is back it could be a battle

[firekillex]

OSP by KO against Manuwa could be the call in this fight.. Manuwa has been dropped in 2 of his last 3 fights.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jimi-Manuwa-37528

OSP could be determined and looking to rebound well after coming off that Jon Jones decision loss anyways..

1229 Saint Preux wins by TKO/KO

+125

The more conservative play just incase OSP takes it decision..

1239 Saint Preux (scorecards = no action)

-186

and OSP is no Alexander Gustafson or rumble Johnson literally the 2 best stand up fighters in the division imo

I think Manuwa has the striking advantage here people are gonna be surprised... OSPs path to victory for me will be take downs and the ground game, this could be a potential fotn , can't sleep on Manuwa dudes a legit boxer

[Hugo de Naranja]

Rumble dropped him like a bad habit.. Chin is suspect and OSP can tap it maybe..



Gus lit him up too..




I personally think OSP by KO is the call....

If this is how you decide to bet it, I'd suggest waiting a day or so until they adjust the lines since OSP KO/TKO will probably go up to around (+150). Also, it might be worth considering a play on OSP straight or ITD because I wouldn't be shocked to see him win by either submission or decision.

[JIBBBY]

Well since OSP is coming off that embarrassing Jon Jones unanimous decision loss I fully expect to see a very determined and aggressive OSP in this next fight..

Manuwa has the suspect chin as well as he's been dropped in 2 of his last 3 fights.. That's never a good sign.. Just thinking OSP might tap that chin again and end the fight.. OSP isn't Gus or Rumble but he packs a good punch..

That's it and that's keeping it simple.. Since Gus and Rumble dropped Manuwa I think he might be a little gun shy now, might fight cautious and try to protect the chin, try and box and out point OSP maybe.. OSP then takes advantage of that at some point in the fight and clips the chin..











That's my early thoughts anyways.. I still need to see weigh ins..

I'm probably not gonna bet this fight big... I might even end up prop hedging with Manuwa by decision..

1211 Manuwa wins by 3 round decision

+645

[Thrilla]

- UFC matchmakers Joe Silva and Sean Shelby sat down with Jon Anik to preview UFC 204.

- UFC 204 Countdown takes you inside the lives and training camps of six athletes with something to prove. Headlining champion Michael Bisping returns to England, driven by both his first title defense and the desire to redeem himself against the man who famously knocked him out at UFC 100, Dan Henderson. For “Hendo,” the bout may be his swan song, and the heavy hitter has every intention of going out on another dramatic win... and with the belt. Plus, middleweight veterans Vitor Belfort and Gegard Mousasi prepare to cross paths, as do light heavyweight rising stars Ovince Saint Preux and Jimi Manuwa.

[Thrilla]

@ Jibbbylicious OSP actually gained confidence from his last fight. Why do you think it was an embarrassing loss?

[firekillex]

@ Jibbbylicious OSP actually gained confidence from his last fight. Why do you think it was an embarrassing loss?

agreed. going to decision with the p4p best ever is a huge confidence booster imo

[Hugo de Naranja]

Well since OSP is coming off that embarrassing Jon Jones unanimous decision loss I fully expect to see a very determined and aggressive OSP in this next fight..

Manuwa has the suspect chin as well as he's been dropped in 2 of his last 3 fights.. That's never a good sign.. Just thinking OSP might tap that chin again and end the fight.. OSP isn't Gus or Rumble but he packs a good punch..

That's it and that's keeping it simple.. Since Gus and Rumble dropped Manuwa I think he might be a little gun shy now, might fight cautious and try to protect the chin, try and box and out point OSP maybe.. OSP then takes advantage of that at some point in the fight and clips the chin..











That's my early thoughts anyways.. I still need to see weigh ins..

I'm probably not gonna bet this fight big... I might even end up prop hedging with Manuwa by decision..

1211 Manuwa wins by 3 round decision

+645

I agree with all this. I like Manuwa Decision as the best hedge and hit at the opener for .5u

[JIBBBY]

@ Jibbbylicious OSP actually gained confidence from his last fight. Why do you think it was an embarrassing loss?

Cause he was dominated over 5 rounds by JJ and the decision read on the score cards were completely one sided..

OSP did gain confidence from fighting JJ I'm sure and now fighting Manuwa in this 3 rounder is surely a step down in competition for him... He should win this fight if he doesn't get out boxed and out pointed over the 3 rounds.

[PaperTrail07]

hes 47 LOL...i just cant take him...always losing until he ins recently as well...

Extremely surprised to see people here on hendo... Guy is literally terrible now he's what 46-47lol? That last bisping fight was 7 years ago where hendo was most likely juicing and bisping didn't come in with a right gameplan. Hendo literally has one weapon he's basically stuck in mud at the point anybody with half decent movement would absolutely demolish him. I see this going down like bisping / Cung lee where bisping just lands so many shots by round 3+ he's basically just getting tagged repeatedly would be surprised if hendo can last 5 here tbh... Guys chin isn't getting any better he's won 3 outta the past 9..... Boetsch who's a plodding fighter, Lombard who's a plodding fighter and shogun after getting starched for a while lands a lucky Hail Mary bomb, bisping under his new coach seems to be a new man and that Ko loss I think will actually help him since he'll know to never circle into that power shot again hell dart in and out and hendo will be hitting air most likely , he always can land that shot but bisping has some of the best movement at 85 , at this point of there careers bisping is notches above hendo, I don't even see hendo beating anybody in the top 10 right now tbh....would need +350 or more to even consider hendo -210 is an absolute steal for the undefeated in UK bisping lets go count

also mousasi by mauling unless Trt vitor is back it could be a battle

[PaperTrail07]

399739683-1	10/5/16 2:23pm	$10.00	$1,614.35		Pending	3 Team Parlay
					Pending	10/8/16 11:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1011 Bisping wins by 5 round decision +320* vs Not Bisping by 5 round decision
					Pending	10/8/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1107 Mousasi wins by 3 round decision +495* vs Not Mousasi by 3 round decision
					Pending	10/8/16 10:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1207 Saint Preux wins by 3 round decision +550* vs Not Saint Preux by 3 round decision

[Hugo de Naranja]

Cause he was dominated over 5 rounds by JJ and the decision read on the score cards were completely one sided..

OSP did gain confidence from fighting JJ I'm sure and now fighting Manuwa in this 3 rounder is surely a step down in competition for him... He should win this fight if he doesn't get out boxed and out pointed over the 3 rounds.

Manuwa Decision shot up to (+1015) so I fired a bit more

[Thrilla]

- UFC 204 is fast approaching and middleweight fighter Dan "Hendo" Henderson is stepping into the Octagon again to face off against Michael Bisping. This video chronicles Henderson's journey into the UFC and how he became the fighter he is today.

- Go one-on-one with Michael Bisping as he talks about fighting in front of his come crowd in England.

- Dan Hardy and John Gooden take their unique insight back across the pond to UFC 204 as Michael Bisping defends his middleweight belt against Dan Henderson in Manchester, England.

- Watch Michael Bisping finally claim gold as he defeated Luke Rockhold to become the middleweight champ at UFC 199.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Extremely surprised to see people here on hendo... Guy is literally terrible now he's what 46-47lol? That last bisping fight was 7 years ago where hendo was most likely juicing and bisping didn't come in with a right gameplan. Hendo literally has one weapon he's basically stuck in mud at the point anybody with half decent movement would absolutely demolish him. I see this going down like bisping / Cung lee where bisping just lands so many shots by round 3+ he's basically just getting tagged repeatedly would be surprised if hendo can last 5 here tbh... Guys chin isn't getting any better he's won 3 outta the past 9..... Boetsch who's a plodding fighter, Lombard who's a plodding fighter and shogun after getting starched for a while lands a lucky Hail Mary bomb, bisping under his new coach seems to be a new man and that Ko loss I think will actually help him since he'll know to never circle into that power shot again hell dart in and out and hendo will be hitting air most likely , he always can land that shot but bisping has some of the best movement at 85 , at this point of there careers bisping is notches above hendo, I don't even see hendo beating anybody in the top 10 right now tbh....would need +350 or more to even consider hendo -210 is an absolute steal for the undefeated in UK bisping lets go count

also mousasi by mauling unless Trt vitor is back it could be a battle

If you like Bisping here, I'd hammer Bisping -5.5 (-160) because if he wins it's most likely by TKO or a wide unanimous decision. Also parlaying Bisping -5.5 with Mousasi -3.5 is (+124).

[JAKEPEAVY21]

I used to loathe Bisping, but actually have done a complete 180 and quite like him now. He used to be the biggest prick, and still is at times, but he seems more positive overall and in a better place mentally the past few years. Not really a big fan of his fighting style but you can't question his heart. I also think he does a good job on TV. I think he returns the favor on Saturday and starches Hendo via KO/TKO.

[Hugo de Naranja]

I used to loathe Bisping, but actually have done a complete 180 and quite like him now. He used to be the biggest prick, and still is at times, but he seems more positive overall and in a better place mentally the past few years. Not really a big fan of his fighting style but you can't question his heart. I also think he does a good job on TV. I think he returns the favor on Saturday and starches Hendo via KO/TKO.

I also like Bisping a lot more than I used to. Particularly since I made a decent amount on both the Silva and Rockhold fights. Hendo has a puncher's chance but given his power and the history between him and Bisping, I think it's a pretty good one.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Extremely surprised to see people here on hendo... Guy is literally terrible now he's what 46-47lol? That last bisping fight was 7 years ago where hendo was most likely juicing and bisping didn't come in with a right gameplan. Hendo literally has one weapon he's basically stuck in mud at the point anybody with half decent movement would absolutely demolish him. I see this going down like bisping / Cung lee where bisping just lands so many shots by round 3+ he's basically just getting tagged repeatedly would be surprised if hendo can last 5 here tbh... Guys chin isn't getting any better he's won 3 outta the past 9..... Boetsch who's a plodding fighter, Lombard who's a plodding fighter and shogun after getting starched for a while lands a lucky Hail Mary bomb, bisping under his new coach seems to be a new man and that Ko loss I think will actually help him since he'll know to never circle into that power shot again hell dart in and out and hendo will be hitting air most likely , he always can land that shot but bisping has some of the best movement at 85 , at this point of there careers bisping is notches above hendo, I don't even see hendo beating anybody in the top 10 right now tbh....would need +350 or more to even consider hendo -210 is an absolute steal for the undefeated in UK bisping lets go count

also mousasi by mauling unless Trt vitor is back it could be a battle

Bisping is definitely the round winner of the two and arguably has the advantage in every area where the fight might go. Hendo is one of those guys who could lose to a shitty debuting fighter from the regional circuit, but could also beat the champion because he has maintained his power and his sense of timing despite his very advanced age.

[JIBBBY]

Manuwa Decision shot up to (+1015) so I fired a bit more

Yep I saw that.. Worth a shot as a hedge play for profit most certainly now..

[bjpenn85]

Hendo gets dropped, and clipped, in many fights but comes back and gets the job done, often in spectacular fashion. Bisping will win every round of the fight, but can he take one of hendos big punches? Do you think Bisping wont get clipped during the first 15 minutes of the fight? I mean this fight has already happened, the result should be a lot like the first fight. Bisping wins until he looses. One cant bet Bisping in this spot with what we know with both guys tendencies. Have to go for Hendo by KO, and thats pretty facked up. But dont come here and tell me that bisping being the champion isnt facked up as well.

[JIBBBY]

MMA MANIA PRELIM SHORT READS - (mma writer Patrick)



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Danny Roberts (13-1) extended his win streak to six in his Octagon debut by submitting late replacement Nathan Coy, giving him his fifth finish in that streak. He then went to war with Dominique Steele, edging out "Non-Stop Action Packed" in UFC 197’s Fight of the Night."Hot Chocolate" is two inches taller than Mike Perry (8-0) at 6’0."
"Platinum" bashed his way into UFC with seven knockouts in seven fights, including one over former The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) semifinalist Jon Manley. He continued his violent ways with an upset knockout of Hyun Gyu Lim at UFC 202.
All but two of his wins have come inside the first round.
Perry’s power and madcap offense worked wonders against the ever-hittable Lim. I don’t expect it to work quite as well against Roberts, who’s a better technician than the big Korean and actually has some decent grappling to back it up. It’s not great grappling, of course, but Perry hasn’t shown much of a ground game himself.
Roberts ought to be able to withstand "Platinum’s" heavy fire and drag him into unfamiliar territory for the finish.
Prediction: Roberts via second-round submission

155 lbs.: Leonardo Santos vs. Adriano Martins

When Santiago Ponzinibbio bowed out of TUF: "Brazil 2," Leonardo Santos (15-3-1) made the most of his second chance and submitted William Macario at the Finale. He has gone undefeated (4-0-1) in the promotion as part of a seven-year, 10-fight unbeaten streak.
Nine of his 15 wins have come by submission.
Adriano Martins (28-7) dominated Daron Cruickshank in his Octagon debut, only to face Donald Cerrone his next time out and catch a shin upside the head. He has since rattled off three straight wins, two of them by knockout and the most recent coming over top prospect Islam Makhachev.
He has scored 13 knockouts overall.
This is about as rough a fight as Santos can get without choosing from the divisions’ Top 10. Martins is a massive, powerful Lightweight with the wrestling to keep it standing and the Brazilian jiu-jitsu pedigree to survive if Santos manages to drag him down.
If Rustam Khabilov couldn’t outwrestle Martins, Santos is going to have a rough go of it.
The majority of the fight should take place on the feet, where Martins’ power and boxing technique hold a sizable edge. He batters Santos for an eventual stoppage.
Prediction: Martins via second-round technical knockout

155 lbs.: Lukasz Sajewski vs. Marc Diakiese

Poland’s Lukasz Sajewski (12-2) entered UFC undefeated and with a win over standout countryman Marcin Held under his belt. He has yet to find that kind of success in the world’s largest fight promotion, losing to Nick Hein and Gilbert Burns in successive bouts.
"Wookie" replaces the injured Reza Madadi on just one week notice.
Marc Diakiese (9-0) rose to prominence in the BAMMA promotion, taking home the win in all five of his appearances under the banner. His last two bouts have lasted a total of sixty seconds thanks to booming right hands that .
He is two inches taller than Sajewski at 5’10."
Diakiese should thank his lucky stars that Madadi pulled out -- "Mad Dog" may be a non-factor on the feet, but he’s inordinately tough and packs the sort of suffocating grappling that works ever-so-well against physical specimens like "Bonecrusher."
He’ll have a bit more luck against Sajewski. "Wookie" hasn’t demonstrated Madadi’s takedown prowess and, on the feet, he can’t keep up with Diakese’s speed and power. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Brit’s iffy wrestling came back to bite him, but I can’t pick against his physical edge. He lands something nasty in the early going.
Prediction: Diakese via first-round technical knockout


135 lbs.: Brad Pickett (25-11) vs. Iuri Alcantara (32-7)
Once a perennial contender, Pickett entered his February fight with Francisco Rivera having lost five of his previous seven and three straight. He managed to please the London crowd by surviving an early knockdown and ultimately scraping past "Cisco" via split decision. He will give up three inches of height to the 5’9" Alcantara.
Following a tough loss to Urijah Faber, "Marajo" rattled off three consecutive wins before falling to Frankie Saenz in one of 2015’s biggest upsets. He rebounded with a decision over Leandro Issa, but fell short against top prospect Jimmie Rivera this past January. He’s scored thirteen knockouts and twelve submissions as a pro.
I’ve mentally likened Alcantara to a bantamweight Carlos Condit since his early days in the UFC and, while "Marajo" doesn’t quite have the "Natural Born Killer’s" gift for relentless violence, I think the comparison’s still apt. He’s a dangerous striker and a dangerous submission artist persistently held back by substandard wrestling.


Considering Pickett’s habit of turning to his takedowns when things go south on the feet, he may be in trouble here.
That said, "One Punch" is consistently hittable and arguably hasn’t earned a decisive victory since knocking out Yves Jabouin in 2012. With his decline, Alcantara may have the physicality to keep it standing and knock the Londoner around with his length advantage. Narrow decision win for Alcantara in hostile territory.
Prediction: Alcantara by unanimous decision

135 lbs.: Ian Entwistle (9-3) vs. Rob Font (12-2)

After a brutal knockout loss in his UFC debut, England’s "Enty" showed off his grappling chops with a bonus-winning heel hook of Anthony Birchak in Phoenix. His dedication to leglocks came back to bite him again in his next bout when Alejandro Perez pounded him out mid-attempt. He’s tapped seven opponents overall, three by heel hook.
Font announced his presence in the bantamweight division with a thunderous knockout of George Roop and follow-up beatdown of Joey Gomez a year and a half later. John Lineker proved a tougher nut to crack, ultimately breaking Font down en route to a wide decision win. Five of his wins, including his last three, have come by knockout.
Ian Entwistle wins big and Ian Entwistle loses big. He’s either going to get a Performance of the Night-winning heel hook or Font’s going to play the drum solo from "Hot for Teacher" on his head.
I’m thinking the latter.
Entwistle’s lost twice in the UFC by holding onto a hopeless heel hook and getting obliterated for it. Even Rousimar Palhares, legendary bastion of rationality that he is, has the sense to transition to something else when the leglock’s not there. If "Enty" didn’t learn the first time, he’s probably not going to learn the second time. Font punishes his desperate submission attempts for his third UFC knockout.
Prediction: Font by first-round TKO

135 lbs.: Davey Grant (10-2) vs. Damian Stasiak (9-3)

Assorted issues kept Grant, the runner-up on The Ultimate Fighter 18, out of action from his November of 2013 to February of 2016. Upon his return, he outclassed Ecuadorian submission artist Marlon Vera in a bloody London affair. He’s tapped eight opponents, all of them by form of choke.
Stasiak’s five-fight winning streak, which featured four submissions, ended in his UFC debut when Yatzin Meza outwrestled him for fifteen minutes. "Webster" had a better time of it in his sophomore effort, which saw him submit Croatia’s Filip Pejic in less than half a round. He will have a three-inch height advantage.
Stasiak’s major issue against Yaotzin Meza was that his takedown defense simply wasn’t up to par. Grant is, at least on paper, a more fearsome wrestler than the MMA Lab product and can certainly hold his own on the mat against "Webster." The Pole is difficult to finish, true, but a decision loss is still a loss.
Stasiak is going to spend the majority of this fight on his back and he doesn’t have the tools to win it from there. Grant pleases the hometown crowd with a dominant decision win.
Prediction: Grant by unanimous decision

170 lbs.: Leon Edwards (11-3) vs. Albert Tumenov (17-3)

Edwards opened his UFC career with a controversial decision loss to Claudio Henrique da Silva, then bounced back with dominant victories over Seth Baczynski and Pawel Pawlak. He fell to Ultimate Fighter 21 winner Kamaru Usman, but managed to defeat Dom Waters in his most recent fight. He is an inch shorter and a year older than Tumenov.
"Einstein" also ran afoul of a Brazilian grappler, in his case Ildemar Alcantara, in his promotional debut. He proceeded to rattle off five consecutive wins, three of them by brutal knockout, before succumbing to Gunnar Nelson’s grappling in May. Nine of his last eleven wins have come by knockout, eight of them in the first round.
I’m struggling to find a winning strategy for Edwards here. He’s a solid, fairly powerful striker going up against an excellent, ridiculously power striker. Tumenov’s a nightmare on the feet and Edwards really has no choice but to face him there.
Nelson found success stifling Tumenov’s striking and scoring takedowns, but he has a much better transition game than Edwards and the Brit has yet to show the sort of wrestling offense that it takes to trouble Tumenov. The Russian bounces back from his second UFC defeat with an emphatic knockout.
Prediction: Tumenov by first-round knockout


Current UFC "Prelims" Prediction Record 2016: 128-77-5

[firekillex]

If you like Bisping here, I'd hammer Bisping -5.5 (-160) because if he wins it's most likely by TKO or a wide unanimous decision. Also parlaying Bisping -5.5 with Mousasi -3.5 is (+124).

i already put a variety of bets on bisping like a month ago was loving the price, thought hed shoot up to -250 or so but guess not still love him at -210 all day long plus some props.... i like gegard to win but the -335 price is far to much for me , i think vitor has a better shot at beating mousasi then hendo does over bisping imo...... ill most likely play some props on mousasi if the price is right i see him getting vitor down and dominating him from mount or something , but vitor can always land that lucky shot if his price for tko/ko is right maybe sprinkle a hedge on that

[firekillex]

Hendo gets dropped, and clipped, in many fights but comes back and gets the job done, often in spectacular fashion. Bisping will win every round of the fight, but can he take one of hendos big punches? Do you think Bisping wont get clipped during the first 15 minutes of the fight? I mean this fight has already happened, the result should be a lot like the first fight. Bisping wins until he looses. One cant bet Bisping in this spot with what we know with both guys tendencies. Have to go for Hendo by KO, and thats pretty facked up. But dont come here and tell me that bisping being the champion isnt facked up as well.

hes only been tagging guys that stand in the pocket with him and dont move at all, bisping has some of the best movement at 85 i doubt hell get clipped here again , people keep bringing up the last fight that was 7 years ago.... thats light years in mma hendo has been in wars since then and has looked like absolute dog shit recently man the guys fckin 47 years old.... he was on trt then and was looking much much better literally hes a shell of himself compared to then and bisping has gotten better imo... i think this is going to be a starching but well see

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Extremely surprised to see people here on hendo... Guy is literally terrible now he's what 46-47lol? That last bisping fight was 7 years ago where hendo was most likely juicing and bisping didn't come in with a right gameplan. Hendo literally has one weapon he's basically stuck in mud at the point anybody with half decent movement would absolutely demolish him. I see this going down like bisping / Cung lee where bisping just lands so many shots by round 3+ he's basically just getting tagged repeatedly would be surprised if hendo can last 5 here tbh... Guys chin isn't getting any better he's won 3 outta the past 9..... Boetsch who's a plodding fighter, Lombard who's a plodding fighter and shogun after getting starched for a while lands a lucky Hail Mary bomb, bisping under his new coach seems to be a new man and that Ko loss I think will actually help him since he'll know to never circle into that power shot again hell dart in and out and hendo will be hitting air most likely , he always can land that shot but bisping has some of the best movement at 85 , at this point of there careers bisping is notches above hendo, I don't even see hendo beating anybody in the top 10 right now tbh....would need +350 or more to even consider hendo -210 is an absolute steal for the undefeated in UK bisping lets go count

also mousasi by mauling unless Trt vitor is back it could be a battle

agree on both..I think both Bisping and moussasi by ko/tko as well

[bjpenn85]

hes only been tagging guys that stand in the pocket with him and dont move at all, bisping has some of the best movement at 85 i doubt hell get clipped here again , people keep bringing up the last fight that was 7 years ago.... thats light years in mma hendo has been in wars since then and has looked like absolute dog shit recently man the guys fckin 47 years old.... he was on trt then and was looking much much better literally hes a shell of himself compared to then and bisping has gotten better imo... i think this is going to be a starching but well see

Like i said. Bisping steamrolls hendo until he gets clipped. No one in their right mind believe hendo ever will win a dec here. He has one fluky little shot to win by KO. Play handicap bisping with hendo by ko and youre good. You shoudlnt sleep well without that hedge.

[JIBBBY]

399739683-1	10/5/16 2:23pm	$10.00	$1,614.35		Pending	3 Team Parlay
					Pending	10/8/16 11:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1011 Bisping wins by 5 round decision +320* vs Not Bisping by 5 round decision
					Pending	10/8/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1107 Mousasi wins by 3 round decision +495* vs Not Mousasi by 3 round decision
					Pending	10/8/16 10:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1207 Saint Preux wins by 3 round decision +550* vs Not Saint Preux by 3 round decision

Better then a lotto scratcher...

[JIBBBY]

Like i said. Bisping steamrolls hendo until he gets clipped. No one in their right mind believe hendo ever will win a dec here. He has one fluky little shot to win by KO. Play handicap bisping with hendo by ko and youre good. You shoudlnt sleep well without that hedge.

Hendo KO prop and hedge with the Bisbing UN decision for me..

Bisbing could possibly knock out Hendo over 5 long rounds but I'm not betting on that.. When Dan gets rocked in fights he never goes out cold.. I think the worst I saw was a flash knock out but he snapped right out of it with Vitor.. If Hendo were getting knocked out cold in fights and helped up after then I'd be more concerned about the Bisbing by KO possibility..

Bisbing doesn't have one punch KO power either even though he just clipped and dropped Luke fresh to win the belt..

This was probably the worst shot Hendo took in recent fights. It's not like Bisbing hits like juiced up Vitor... This gif fitting since Vitor is fighting on the card..

[Hugo de Naranja]

Hendo KO prop and hedge with the Bisbing UN decision for me..

Bisbing could possibly knock out Hendo over 5 long rounds but I'm not betting on that.. When Dan gets rocked in fights he never goes out cold.. I think the worst I saw was a flash knock out but he snapped right out of it with Vitor.. If Hendo were getting knocked out cold in fights and helped up after then I'd be more concerned about the Bisbing by KO possibility..

Bisbing doesn't have one punch KO power either even though he just clipped and dropped Luke fresh to win the belt..

This was probably the worst shot Hendo took in recent fights. It's not like Bisbing hits like juiced up Vitor... This gif fitting since Vitor is fighting on the card..

Totally agree. Although the win over Rockhold was superb, Bisping did not become a power puncher overnight.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

jibby, tko will be via accumulation of damage incurred

Hendo old and slow..granted he does have the hail mary Hendo Bomb up his sleeve but I don't see it this time

[firekillex]

jibby, tko will be via accumulation of damage incurred

Hendo old and slow..granted he does have the hail mary Hendo Bomb up his sleeve but I don't see it this time

Agreed, bisping said never been a power puncher but he has 16 Ko/tkos in his career, hendo used to have a granite chin but he basically gets hurt in every fight lately, shogun And Lombard had him on skates but they just stood right there in front of him and got tagged themselves... Bisping will just dart in Nd out peppering him I don't think he'll last 25 minutes of that when bisping starts to pick it up round 3+ hendo will start to fade and bisping will probably overwhelm him in the scenario im seeing... Bisping is probably the best volume striker in the division guy can go all night throwing punches , kicks, knees he's super well rounded to... Funny thing is though I'd probably take any top 5 contender over bisping but hendo is not even top 15 at this point to me so I don't see this being to competitive , hendo has the hbomb and anything can happen but -210 for a person I think wins this 90% of the time I'll take all day

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Bisping has been fighting cans and or just getting by with sketchy decisions.. Hendo has been fighting the cream of the crop and holding his own for the most part, hit and miss.. Showed his heart and manhood taking out Hector Lombard down in Brazil in his last fight.. I was even shocked at that comeback upset..

Let's dig deeper into just who Bisping has beaten to get the title.. Starting 5 fights ago... I remember it like this -

- Bisping beat CB Dollaway by decision, CB Dolloway was always over rated and sucks now, but CB clearly got out worked and out classed by Bisping standing in that fight to a decision.....

- Luke Rockhold steam rolled Bisping in their 1st match up.. Luke man handled Bisping and got him out of there by choke in the second round after beating the crap out of him.

- Bisping then fought an over the hill Cung Lee in China... Danced and peppered his way to a 5 round decision.. Clinic standing by Bisping..

- Bisping then fights Thales Leites whom Bisping was running from all fight and fighting scared every round.. Almost got finished by the punching power of Leites at one point but survived... He barely got that decision win.. Could have been a robbery..

- 40 year old Anderson Silva had next and again a close decision win for Bisping but Silva was far past his prime and the fight was in the UK.. Home town judging kicked in for sure.. Anderson not a full training camp either..

- Then the shocking quick dry KO of Luke Rockhold in the rematch to get the UFC titile belt and shock the world.. More lucky then good though IMO.. Luke was not himself in that fight from the very start and got caught almost immediately... A bit fluky..

- Now Bisping faces another heavy hitter in Hendo whom already knocked him out and in to another universe.. Bisping a bit older and softer looking, Hendo just older..


I will say Bisping is getting very good at fighting scared and going backwards for decision wins..

Still Hendo walks Bisping down and is confident, connects with the H-bomb again lights out..

AND NEW.... DAN HENDERSON!!!! Retire and then sail off into the sunset.. Hall of famer to be remembered..

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Michael-Bisping-10196

[Hugo de Naranja]

Bisping has been fighting cans and or just getting by with sketchy decisions.. Hendo has been fighting the cream of the crop and holding his own for the most part, hit and miss.. Showed his heart and manhood taking out Hector Lombard down in Brazil in his last fight.. I was even shocked at that comeback upset..

Let's dig deeper into just who Bisping has beaten to get the title.. Starting 5 fights ago... I remember it like this -

- Bisping beat CB Dollaway by decision, CB Dolloway was always over rated and sucks now, but CB clearly got out worked and out classed by Bisping standing in that fight to a decision.....

- Luke Rockhold steam rolled Bisping in their 1st match up.. Luke man handled Bisping and got him out of there by choke in the second round after beating the crap out of him.

- Bisping then fought an over the hill Cung Lee in China... Danced and peppered his way to a 5 round decision.. Clinic standing by Bisping..

- Bisping then fights Thales Leites whom Bisping was running from all fight and fighting scared every round.. Almost got finished by the punching power of Leites at one point but survived... He barely got that decision win.. Could have been a robbery..

- 40 year old Anderson Silva had next and again a close decision win for Bisping but Silva was far past his prime and the fight was in the UK.. Home town judging kicked in for sure.. Anderson not a full training camp either..

- Then the shocking quick dry KO of Luke Rockhold in the rematch to get the UFC titile belt and shock the world.. More lucky then good though IMO.. Luke was not himself in that fight from the very start and got caught almost immediately... A bit fluky..

- Now Bisping faces another heavy hitter in Hendo whom already knocked him out and in to another universe.. Bisping a bit older and softer looking, Hendo just older..


I will say Bisping is getting very good at fighting scared and going backwards for decision wins..

Still Hendo walks Bisping down and is confident, connects with the H-bomb again lights out..

AND NEW.... DAN HENDERSON!!!! Retire and then sail off into the sunset.. Hall of famer to be remembered..


http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Michael-Bisping-10196

I remember Bisping TKO-ing Cung Le in R4 of their fight.

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hendo is 4 outta his last 10... beat lombard whos absolute dog crap after the 1st round and he was on skates for multiple minutes in that fight hes super lucky to get that win imo, tim boetsch enough said, shogun 2 he was losing the whole fight and tagged him late out of nowhere ... the last impressive win he had that was competitve against a good fighter was shogun 1 all the way back in 2011 ? dudes 47 years old , slower, added 0 new weapons , chin deteriating , off TRT and people are comparing this to a fight 7 years ago... just watching his movement in his past fights its honestly the most flat footed stuff ive seen against any fighter with movement at 85 he would get tagged up all fight easily as long as they know how to follow a gameplan , the 4 fights he won outta the last 10 were all guys who stand in the pocket and trade, thats literally hendos only way he can win tbh and he almost lost 2 of those

bisping last 11 fights hes won 7..... hes on a 4 fight win streak against CB dolloway nothing special but id say hes on tim boetsch level a middling gatekeeper more potential then boestch and more athletic , thales leites whos looked rejuvenated and easily is top 10 material , anderson silva the greatest striker ever and he only stood up with him ya andersons on a skid but 2 losses to weidman that were super weird , daniel cormier whos a 205/heavyweight and one of the best wrestlers in mma who just wrestle fcked him all fight first minute he let it stand up he almost got finished by a body kick.... cormier has stood up with heavyweights and never been tagged like that so it shows anderson still has some stuff left in the tank imo anderson is 41 he shouldnt be washed up if hendos 47? hendo has 48 fights as well thats the main problem age isnt always the number even though at 47 you lose a ton of athletic ability and natural testosterone he has a crap load of miles on his body and looks super stiff imo. loss to luke rockhold he didnt get dominated at all actaully, first round was decently competitve he got headbutted lost his focus and lost to the best 85er around argubably great head kick and submission finish nothing to be mad about imo rockhold would retire hendo in 10 minutes . cung le whos actually a super accomplished striker hes beaten rich franklin and patrick cote which is pretty impressive only stood up with bisping and bisping just destroyed him with pressure and combinations ( think this fight will be similiar with the late tko by overwhelming blows ) loss to tim kennedy by getting wrastle fcked again tim kennedy one of the most underrated 85ers / fighters in general since hes been on a long layoff hes easily top 10 material. beat alan belcher whos a solid gate keeper with upside, losses to a roided to the gils belfort who would destroy basically anybody ( like hendo ) beats brian stann who was a beast then lost to chael sonnen in a fight many thought he won



so just some info for people to read into it... plus can just watch the tape anything under -250 is a big time steal for me when the opponent has one move to win the fight really the main argument is theres 25 minutes for him to land it... after 5-7 minutes hendo has slowed down extremely and itll be the most telegraphed thing in the entire world bisping will not fall for that bs again hell starch hendo , hendo will retire like he shouldve years ago and then bisping will himself get starched by any of the big 4 ( rockhold, weidman, jacare, romero )

the end cya this saturday at the bank side note -210 = 67% chance of winning .... so if you think bisping has over that chance the line has value imo hendo doesnt eve have close to a 33% chance id max him out at 15% if im being generous... hendo at +180 what im seeing now means youd need to think hendo wins over 35% of the time... HELLLLL TO THE NAH on that one

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- Dan Hardy and John Gooden return in the second episode of Inside The Octagon as they break down the co-main between Vitor Belfort and Gegard Mousasi and look at Jimi Manuwa vs. Ovince Saint Preux at UFC 204.

- Gegard Mousasi got his first UFC finish when he defeated Mark Munoz in 2014.
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- Vitor Belfort added a Knockout of the Night bonus to his resume when he downed Yoshihiro Akiyama at UFC 133.

- Watch the Top 8 first-round finishes from The Phenom.

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He is also a clean fighter----which you have to respect these days....no TRT or cheating the system...

I used to loathe Bisping, but actually have done a complete 180 and quite like him now. He used to be the biggest prick, and still is at times, but he seems more positive overall and in a better place mentally the past few years. Not really a big fan of his fighting style but you can't question his heart. I also think he does a good job on TV. I think he returns the favor on Saturday and starches Hendo via KO/TKO.

[firekillex]

He is also a clean fighter----which you have to respect these days....no TRT or cheating the system...

Half his losses are from known juicers to actually funny how he became champ after USADA makes you really think