UFC Fight Night: MacDonald vs. Thompson (June 18, 2016)

[LBfightlife]

We could see Cote catching one of these well timed kicks from Cowboy..



Could also see Cowboy throwing in a submission on the ground.. He really handled Alex Oliviera (wanna be cowboy) in his last fight.. Remember Cowboy has only been punked by RDA in recent years.. Cote isn't RDA..

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Donald-Cerrone-15105

If you look at times when Donald has hit the mat.. his Jits is very on point , Ala MIles Jury fight .. he was a serious problem off his back throwing up triangles and omoplatas with the quickness. no one every really takes Donald down because his jits is that good, we don't see him taken down often ..

How much size do we really think cote will have on Cowboy? Remember Cote is not super ripped and lean like cowboy so do we really think he will have a lot of power over donald when they rehydrate and step in the cage?

Also I'm not sure where cote trains.. is he at tristar? How do the camps match up ?

I'd like to hit a good value on the dog in this play it's just hard for me to bet against cowboy as I really like him as a fighter and he is also a very winning fighter.

[Demonata]

When will the full fight card odds be released for this card?

[bjpenn85]

When will the full fight card odds be released for this card?

Usually tuesdays or fakking midnight. Always wake up wednesday with the lines absolutely trashed and juiced up. So, there you go.

[JIBBBY]

Usually tuesdays or fakking midnight. Always wake up wednesday with the lines absolutely trashed and juiced up. So, there you go.

Yep no point in hard capping all the fights just yet until all the odds and props come out.. Waiting game still in effect still... Write ups are out but odds aren't...

[Demonata]

Usually tuesdays or fakking midnight. Always wake up wednesday with the lines absolutely trashed and juiced up. So, there you go.

Ok thanks man. Sucks waiting

[UncleChael]

Wonderboy shifts to the favourite men.

[Thrilla]

[JIBBBY]

Odds came out.. Time to start capping!!!

UFC Fight Night 89 - Welterweight 5 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1001 Stephen Thompson		-115	o2½ -170
11:59PM		1002 Rory MacDonald		-105	u2½ +150
UFC Fight Night 89 - Welterweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1101 Patrick Cote		+140	o2½ -135
11:30PM		1102 Donald Cerrone		-160	u2½ +115
UFC Fight Night 89 - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1201 Sean O'Connell		+140	o1½ +160
11:00PM		1202 Steve Bosse		-160	u1½ -185
UFC Fight Night 89 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1301 Olivier Aubin-Mercier		-400	o2½ +135
10:30PM		1302 Thibault Gouti		+325	u2½ -155
UFC Fight Night 89 - Flyweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1401 Joanne Calderwood		+155	o2½ -330
10:00PM		1402 Valerie Letourneau		-175	u2½ +270
UFC Fight Night 89 - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1501 Ion Cutelaba		+160	o1½ +120
9:30PM		1502 Misha Cirkunov		-185	u1½ -140
UFC Fight Night 89 - Middleweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1601 Krzysztof Jotko		+200	o2½ -125
9:00PM		1602 Tamdan McCrory		-240	u2½ +105
UFC Fight Night 89 - Bantamweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1701 Joe Soto		+100	o2½ -220
8:30PM		1702 Chris Beal		-120	u2½ +180
UFC Fight Night 89 - Middleweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1801 Sam Alvey		+250	o2½ -210
8:00PM		1802 Elias Theodorou		-300	u2½ +175
UFC Fight Night 89 - Strawweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		1901 Jocelyn Jones-Lybarger		+160	o2½ -325
7:30PM		1902 Randa Markos		-185	u2½ +265
UFC Fight Night 89 - Welterweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		2001 Jonathan Meunier		+250	o2½ -170
7:00PM		2002 Colby Covington		-300	u2½ +150
UFC Fight Night 89 - Flyweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		2101 Ali Bagautinov		-265	o2½ -250
6:30PM		2102 Geane Herrera		+225	u2½ +210
UFC Fight Night 89 - Lightweight 3 rounds - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - FS1
Sat 6/18		2201 Leandro Silva		+165	o2½ -200
6:00PM		2202 Jason Saggo		-190	u2½ +170

[JIBBBY]

Can reference the below write ups with the odds posted above ^^^

Keep in mind this guy like myself and many others stunk up that last card.. Tail with caution.. That includes me as well as I can be very streaky.. I am going to do everything in my power to rebound in this event..

Write ups Part 1 and 2 MMA mania -





185 lbs.: Elias Theodorou vs. Sam Alvey
The ever-stylish Elias Theodorou (11-1) tore through The Ultimate Fighter (TUF): "Nations" and brought that momentum with him into UFC itself, where he won his first three bouts with two (technical) knockout stoppages. In Dec. 2015, however, he wilted under Thiago Santos’ striking onslaught en route to a unanimous decision loss. He’s knocked out five opponents overall.


Despite badly underperforming in his Octagon debut, Sam Alvey (26-7) quickly established himself as a force to be reckoned with three-straight first-round knockouts, one of which earned him a Performance of the Night bonus. Said streak came to a dramatic end last August when his habitual slow start allowed Derek Brunson to batter him into submission in the first round. He was set to fight Daniel Sarafian early this year before suffering a broken jaw during training.


Alvey’s charming and hits ridiculously hard, but that loss to Brunson better have lit a fire under him. The man just lets his opponents get away with far too much before unleashing his own offense, turning far too many of his fights into a race against time to make up for all the ground he lost with a last-second knockout.


So, in short, I’m not terribly confident in my pick. Alvey is a serious step up from the likes of Sheldon Westcott and Bruno Santos and, while he doesn’t have Santos’ striking variety or body assault, I’m not sure Theodorou can take what the Smiling One can dish out. Alvey spends on a round and a half on the wrong end of a well-rounded attack before turning things around with a barrage of power punches.

Prediction: Alvey by second-round technical knockout


115 lbs.: Randa Markos vs. Jocelyn Jones-Lybarger
A pair of major upsets over Tecia Torres and Felice Herrig took Randa Markos (5-3) to TUF 20 semifinals, where she fell to the surging Rose Namajunas like so many of her fellows. In UFC proper, she’s sandwiched a decision over Aisling Daly between losses to castmate Jessica Penne and rising contender Karolina Kowalkiewicz. Three of her five wins have come by armbar.


The towering Jocelyn Jones-Lybarger (6-2) took out former Bellator champion Zoila Frausto in Oct. 2015 winning the RFA title and earning her a crack at the world’s largest fight promotion. Two months later at UFC 194, she stepped in against Tecia Torres on short notice and put forth a solid effort despite ultimately losing a unanimous decision. She stands two inches taller than Markos at 5’7."


If Randa Markos fights intelligently, she ought to win in a landslide. Her wrestling is more than adequate to offset Jones-Lybarger’s strength and the latter’s utter lack of striking defense should make Markos’ booming right hand a terrific weapon. That’s a considerable "if," though, as Markos can sometimes fail to notice which disparate aspect of her game is best-suited for the situation.

Still, Jones-Lybarger has little to offer besides pressure and decent power. Markos lands enough right-hand bombs and takedowns to score a wide decision.

Prediction: Markos by unanimous decision


170 lbs.: Colby Covington vs. Jonathan Meunier

American Top Team’s Colby Covington (8-1) absolutely demolished Anying Wang in his promotional debut, then followed that up with a submission of TUF: "Brazil 2" competitor Wagner Gomes and a decision over veteran Mike Pyle. His fourth bout pitted him against fellow prospect Warlley Alves, who punished an overzealous takedown attempt with a vicious guillotine eighty-one seconds in.
"Chaos" has submitted four opponents, not counting the one who tapped to strikes.

Tristar Quebec’s Jonathan Meunier (7-0) has seen the second round just once in his professional career, stopping all seven of his foes. He competed just last month, earning his second career submission with a rear-naked choke of Francis Charbonneau.

He replaces the injured Alex Garcia on short notice.

I can’t find any recent footage of Meunier, but if it exists, it better be damn impressive. Covington is an absolute powerhouse of a wrestler with quality cardio, a step above anyone Meunier’s fought before. I had him tabbed to beat Garcia and I expect him to dispatch the lanky Quebecois with far greater ease.


Meunier’s history of rapid wins may work against him as Covington pushes his conditioning to the limit, a hazard only exacerbated by the late notice. "Chaos" rebounds from his first career loss with a dominant performance, grinding his foe down before tapping him in the second.

Prediction: Covington by second-round submission


125 lbs.: Ali Bagautinov vs. Geane Herrera

Ali Bagautinov (13-4) -- alternately known as "Puncher," "King" or both -- brought an 11-fight win streak into his title shot against Demetrious Johnson, which failed to save him from a one-sided decision loss and subsequent suspension for PEDs. He returned to action almost 16 months later, losing a decision to Joseph Benavidez in Houston. He’s knocked out five opponents and submitted another four.


Geane Herrera (9-1) took elite prospect Ray Borg the distance in his UFC debut in a game but losing effort. Four months later, "La Pulga" -- or "The Flea" for the gringos among you -- squared off with fellow young gun Joby Sanchez and knocked the striker out in the second round.

Five of his nine pro wins have come by submission.

Drugs aside, Bagautinov is a terribly frustrating fighter to follow. He has excellent wrestling and some serious power in his hands, but his poor ringcraft and lack of volume lead to regular underperformance. Though Herrera doesn’t present any difficulties that Bagautinov hasn’t overcome in the past, there’s a very real possibility that the former title challenger gives the fight away. Still, Bagautinov is the better striker and wrestler overall. Expect him to potshot his way to either a wide decision or, should he decide to fully engage, a knockout midway through.

Prediction: Bagautinov by unanimous decision

[JIBBBY]

Part 2 - MMAmania - Not out yet...

[Ty$]

I already had Alvey as the best dog on the card days ago I knew they'd blow that line to shit.. Alvey by KO Theodorou jus likes to exchange too much and won't be able to handle the ginger snaps power. Parlay Alvey/Côte

[Hugo de Naranja]

The first set of props for this event is up on 5Ds

[JIBBBY]

Part 2 -



155 lbs.: Jason Saggo vs. Leandro Silva

Canada’s Jason Saggo (11-2) laid an absolute beating on Josh Shockley to announce his arrival in UFC's Lightweight division, but lost some luster his next time out with a split decision loss to Paul Felder. A torn ACL kept him out of action for all of 2015, after which he returned last March to pound out Justin Salas. He’s never gone the distance in victory, submitting eight opponents.


Leandro Silva (19-3-1) earned the ire of the mixed martial arts (MMA) public with his "submission win" over Drew Dober, which saw him convince the referee that a clearly-conscious Dober had gone to sleep from a guillotine. "Buscape" has since redeemed himself a tad with consecutive decisions over Lewis Gonzalez and Efrain Escudero, extending his unbeaten streak to four.

He’s never been stopped and has submitted 10 opponents himself.

Silva’s inability to consistently impress has me leaning toward Saggo, whose overall grappling acumen appears every bit as impressive as the Brazilian’s. Worse, Silva can be terribly inactive on the feet, meaning that even if he can stay off his back, he might not offer enough offense to sway the judges.


Saggo looks like a fairly decent prospect -- loss to Felder notwithstanding -- while it’s hard to see Silva ever making his way above the middle of the division. Saggo outgrapples him to a decision.


Prediction: Saggo via unanimous decision


205 lbs.: Misha Cirkunov vs. Ion Cutelaba

Long considered one the Light Heavyweight division’s best prospects, Misha Cirkunov (11-2) debuted in Aug. 2015 with a ground-and-pound thrashing of Daniel Jolly. The following February saw him demonstrate his grappling chops once again with a jaw-breaking neck crank of Alex Nicholson that raised his career submission total to five.
All but one of his nine stoppage wins have come inside the first round.

Moldova’s Ion Cutelaba (11-1) has yet to fight for more than six minutes as a professional, stopping six opponents within one minute. Each of his last seven wins since a disqualification loss have come inside of three minutes, including a seven- and eight-second finish.

This will be his 205-pound debut, though he did fight at a 209-pound Catchweight his last time out.
Cutelaba is big and hits damn hard, but he’s the sort of fighter that Cirkunov should bulldoze. He’s gotten away with a lot of dangerous scrambling because of the level of his opposition and his aggression leaves him wide open for takedowns, two crippling flaws against a grappler of Cirkunov’s caliber.

If Cutelaba somehow manages to keep it standing, he’s well-equipped to overwhelm the Latvian’s limited striking arsenal. He just doesn’t have any kind of experience against fighters on Cirkunov’s level and his wrestling is far too untested to put any faith in. Cirkunov grounds him in a hurry and taps him soon after.


Prediction: Cirkunov via first-round submission



185 lbs.: Tamdan McCrory vs. Krzysztof Jotko

After five years out of the game, Tamdan McCrory (14-3) made a dramatic return to the sport in dramatic fashion with two straight stoppage wins in a combined 1:37. These efforts earned "Barn Cat" another crack at UFC, an opportunity he made the most of with a third-round submission of Josh Samman in Dec. 2015.

He’s stopped 13 opponents overall, seven of them via form of knockout.

Poland’s Krzysztof Jotko (17-1) split his first two UFC bouts before embarking on a three-fight win streak, including a decision over the towering Scott Askham in Dublin. His last bout saw him overcome a slow start to take a unanimous decision over Brad Scott in "The Bear’s" native England.

He will give up two inches of height to the 6’3" McCrory.

Before Jotko’s bout with Scott, I’d have given him a very real shot at stonewalling McCrory’s resurgence. After seeing his awkward attempts at prolonged striking and the amount of time it took him to realize how effective his wrestling was, though, my hopes aren’t quite as high. McCrory’s demonstrated both wicked power and a devastating bottom game since his return -- Jotko will be in serious danger no matter where the fight goes, especially since he’s the shorter man.

Jotko could find early success like Samman did, but it won’t last long. McCrory touches him up on the feet before eventually punishing an ill-timed shot with a submission.


Prediction: McCrory via second-round submission



135 lbs.: Joe Soto vs. Chris Beal

Joe Soto (15-5) got the opportunity of a lifetime in his Octagon debut, a late-notice title shot against T.J. Dillashaw wherein he took the then-champion five rounds before suffering a knockout. He has since struggled to regain the form that originally got him into the organization, losing consecutive bouts to Anthony Birchak and Michinori Tanaka.
He’s submitted eight opponents and knocked out another five.

The quarterfinal loss for Chris Beal (10-2) on The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 18 gave way to consecutive wins over Patrick Williams and Tateki Matsuda, the former a gorgeous flying knee that numbered among 2014’s best knockouts. His subsequent drop to Flyweight proved unsuccessful, as he dropped decisions to Neil Seery and Chris Kelades during his 2015 campaign.

He was originally set to face the legendary "Kid" Yamamoto before the latter pulled out because of injury.

Despite being officially winless (0-3) in UFC and stepping in on short notice, I’ve got Soto here. Beal’s just never impressed me. His boxing, which ought to be his bread-and-butter, devolves into wild swings with little provocation and the rest of his game could charitably be described as "adequate." His relative lack of size works against him as well considering that Soto’s historically struggled with stronger opposition and he lacks the power to exploit the former Bellator champ’s shaky chin.


The real question here is whether Soto can wrap something up in transition rather than settle for a well-earned decision. Beal’s crafty enough to survive on the ground and has solid takedown defense, so he should make Soto work for the full fifteen. Soto’s grappling impresses the judges enough for his first UFC victory.


Prediction: Soto via unanimous decision


Current UFC "Prelims" Prediction Record 2016: 64-42-3

[firekillex]

hmm dont see sam alvey winning this fight tbh, elias only loss was against a guy im super high on in thiago santos
alvey does have the power advantage but elias has home field advantage and the size/cardio, i think he grinds him out for 3 rounds i dont like alveys lack of aggressiveness... but well see elias is also no derek brunson, i wouldnt straight bet elias maybe sprinkle him in some parlays

[lokihayze]

My picks on the cards without reading everyone's full break downs was a parlay on Sam Alvey and Rory MacDonald. Good to see people agree on smiling Sam but ill explain my Rory pick.
Now I don't claim to be some great big betting genius, I just like to watch fights and pick one fighters weak points and strengths and notice how fast they move, counter, pressure, training partners and outside influences etc. I picked Weidman against rockhold because I knew they had a new baby and rockhold was starving for that belt and Chris was doing school runs and was a 'hands on' father according to his wife who did school runs and got up for the baby etc. that's not going to go well for a professional fighter when their opponent is a bachelor. I thought bisping would win and posted a big break down the day before the fight on here but the basic run down was he was way faster than rockhold and determines where we rockhold was cocky and slow.
Things like that are what I pay attention to. So here are my reasons:
Rory is working with GSP who's trained with wonderboy and will know what plan to develop against him.
Not to mention wonder boy has recently lost Weidman as a training partner which he would have needed against a wrestler of Rory's caliber.
Kind of like if DC lost Cain.
Iron sharpens iron as they say.
Plus listening to wonder boy talk he has the rockhold confidence which is usually the precursor to an upset I've noticed. Whether it's silva, Weidman, rockhold, McGregor, ronda, holly etc they get cocky and the other is hungry and capitalises on their mistakes. At this level of competition even ONE mistake signals the end.
Wonder boy is 33 and Rory is 26 and Rory is HUNGRY for this win. It means the difference between a pay rise, title shot and a better contract and following the money to Bellator.
Putting pressure on WB negates his ability to kick and when you take away his ability to kick and take away his advantage of the side stance with heavy pressure, he doesn't know what to do. The Matt brown fight a perfect example.
Sam alvey is another one working with some monsters and corners guys all the time, he keeps evolving and getting better.
Sam alvey and Rory are great bets here.

[lokihayze]

Sorry that's ** 'picked rockhold against weidman' 😂

[Hugo de Naranja]

My picks on the cards without reading everyone's full break downs was a parlay on Sam Alvey and Rory MacDonald. Good to see people agree on smiling Sam but ill explain my Rory pick.
Now I don't claim to be some great big betting genius, I just like to watch fights and pick one fighters weak points and strengths and notice how fast they move, counter, pressure, training partners and outside influences etc. I picked Weidman against rockhold because I knew they had a new baby and rockhold was starving for that belt and Chris was doing school runs and was a 'hands on' father according to his wife who did school runs and got up for the baby etc. that's not going to go well for a professional fighter when their opponent is a bachelor. I thought bisping would win and posted a big break down the day before the fight on here but the basic run down was he was way faster than rockhold and determines where we rockhold was cocky and slow.
Things like that are what I pay attention to. So here are my reasons:
Rory is working with GSP who's trained with wonderboy and will know what plan to develop against him.
Not to mention wonder boy has recently lost Weidman as a training partner which he would have needed against a wrestler of Rory's caliber.
Kind of like if DC lost Cain.
Iron sharpens iron as they say.
Plus listening to wonder boy talk he has the rockhold confidence which is usually the precursor to an upset I've noticed. Whether it's silva, Weidman, rockhold, McGregor, ronda, holly etc they get cocky and the other is hungry and capitalises on their mistakes. At this level of competition even ONE mistake signals the end.
Wonder boy is 33 and Rory is 26 and Rory is HUNGRY for this win. It means the difference between a pay rise, title shot and a better contract and following the money to Bellator.
Putting pressure on WB negates his ability to kick and when you take away his ability to kick and take away his advantage of the side stance with heavy pressure, he doesn't know what to do. The Matt brown fight a perfect example.
Sam alvey is another one working with some monsters and corners guys all the time, he keeps evolving and getting better.
Sam alvey and Rory are great bets here.

I don't think Wonderboy is cocky or arrogant at all. He has said in almost every interview about this fight that he's aware this is a tough matchup for him and that he respects Rory greatly as a martial artist. His attitude literally could not be further from people like Conor and Ronda.

[JIBBBY]

hmm dont see sam alvey winning this fight tbh, elias only loss was against a guy im super high on in thiago santos
alvey does have the power advantage but elias has home field advantage and the size/cardio, i think he grinds him out for 3 rounds i dont like alveys lack of aggressiveness... but well see elias is also no derek brunson, i wouldnt straight bet elias maybe sprinkle him in some parlays

Best way to play this fight IMO.. Bet $230 to $200 on Elias by decision, then hedge $100 to win $455 on Alvey by KO/ITD..

Probably win $100 betting this way but this also has a decent chance of winning $225 on the flip side...

Pending

6/18/16 8:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1911 Theodorou wins by 3 round decision -115* vs Not Theodorou by 3 round decision

hedge -

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6/18/16 8:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1905 Alvey wins inside distance +455* vs Not Alvey inside distance

[Hugo de Naranja]

Best way to play this fight IMO.. Bet $230 to $200 on Elias by decision, then hedge $100 to win $455 on Alvey by KO/ITD.. Probably win $100 this way but this also has a decent chance of winning $225 on the flip side...

Pending

6/18/16 8:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1911 Theodorou wins by 3 round decision -115* vs Not Theodorou by 3 round decision

hedge -

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6/18/16 8:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1905 Alvey wins inside distance +455* vs Not Alvey inside distance

Full props are up. I'm playing it as Theodorou Decision and Alvey KO/TKO (+520) since Alvey's last sub win was in 2010 and odds have dropped on ITD

[JIBBBY]

Full props are up. I'm playing it as Theodorou Decision and Alvey KO/TKO (+520) since Alvey's last sub win was in 2010 and odds have dropped on ITD

Yep Hugo.. KO prop at +520 is the way to go.. I fully agree for more value..

Unfortunately I was impatient and hit this before the KO prop came out yesterday.. Too late for me now... Alvey ITD is the slightly safer play but STRONG chances are Alvey gets the KO rather then the sub if he is to win....

[Hugo de Naranja]

Yep Hugo.. KO prop at +520 is the way to go.. I fully agree for more value..

Unfortunately I was impatient and hit this before the KO prop came out yesterday.. Too late for me now... Alvey ITD is the slightly safer play but STRONG chances are Alvey gets the KO rather then the sub if he is to win....

Any other early thoughts on props?

[firekillex]

yup jibby thats exactly how to play that fight imo
elias by decision grind him out or alvey will catch him with something

extremely pumped for this wonderboy vs macdonald fight its going to be a crazy war and i want to see what rory does after the fight, does he resign with the ufc or go elsewhere and chase the highest pay cheque like he said he would ?

[JIBBBY]

Any other early thoughts on props?

Yeah, I'm gonna be prop hedging a bunch of fights with this card in fear that I might be ready to take on a losing streak of card losses if I don't.. Lol.. That last card was my first real event loss of the year while mainly just playing the straights, I don't want a repeat of that..

Back to protecting bank roll for Jibs..

I'm still working this card from top to bottom and I'll share some thoughts in a bit as more props just came out..

[Shagdogy]

Pretty strong lean towards Wonderboy right now. For those saying Rory is gonna rough him up inside, how is he gonna get there? Are we giving him more credit as a wrestler than Hendricks? WB's footwork and circling was so on point in that matchup that Hendricks couldn't get to him. He got so timed up trying to come forward that he eventually stopped cause he was just running into strikes, and the one time he grabbed him, WB was able to push away and find space.

And on Cote/Cowboy - Jibby, you mentioned that Cowboy fights with his chin up... exactly my first thoughts in this matchup. I feel like you either go Cote or stay off it. Hard to bet the smaller guy with the weaker chin (since Cote's is notably strong), who is moving up in weight as the favorite. In this situation it has to be dog or nothing. Not that Cowboy can't win, just that I won't be betting it with this line.

[Ty$]

Pretty strong lean towards Wonderboy right now. For those saying Rory is gonna rough him up inside, how is he gonna get there? Are we giving him more credit as a wrestler than Hendricks? WB's footwork and circling was so on point in that matchup that Hendricks couldn't get to him. He got so timed up trying to come forward that he eventually stopped cause he was just running into strikes, and the one time he grabbed him, WB was able to push away and find space.

And on Cote/Cowboy - Jibby, you mentioned that Cowboy fights with his chin up... exactly my first thoughts in this matchup. I feel like you either go Cote or stay off it. Hard to bet the smaller guy with the weaker chin (since Cote's is notably strong), who is moving up in weight as the favorite. In this situation it has to be dog or nothing. Not that Cowboy can't win, just that I won't be betting it with this line.

Agree w Côte call ... I'm goin w Rory tho being he's more complete of a fighter ... Matt Brown did grind out wonderkid btw

[JIBBBY]

^^After seeing the UFC tonight show with Bisping getting sucked off with his new shinny belt, I also saw and heard a dialed in Rory speak.. Still think Wonderboy gets the early KO but now thinking hedge just in case..

I'm on Wonderboy ITD at +190 for $200 now but seriously considering hedging with Rory by KO at +510 for $50 just to cover that $200 on the flip side..... I think I will and not get greedy as it's a small price to pay to cover the original bet.. If this goes to decision I lose $250..

I don't see this fight going 5 rounds, you got two guys that can finish in this fight and Wonderboy has never gone 5 rounds, Wonderboy has never fought past 3 rounds.. Wonderboy did lose a 3 round decision to Matt Brown though.. Gotta gamble a little bit and take risks betting these fights.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Stephen-Thompson-59608

1005 Thompson wins inside distance

+190

Hedge

1041 MacDonald wins by TKO/KO +510

^^^The copy and paste function isn't working well with 5dimes and SBR anymore as you can see

[JIBBBY]

Bisping now seriously calling out Hendo for the rematch on the UFC TONIGHT show..

Would certainly be Bispings easiest matchup to defend his title.. Still not sure Bisping can beat Hendo in the rematch though.. Probably be a good fight and I'd like to see it..

[firekillex]

Bisping now seriously calling out Hendo for the rematch on the UFC TONIGHT show..

Would certainly be Bispings easiest matchup to defend his title.. Still not sure Bisping can beat Hendo in the rematch though.. Probably be a good fight and I'd like to see it..

that would literally be by far the worst belt matchup in a while for the UFC, dont get me wrong hendo is a legend in the mma game but hes over 40 years old , has looked like complete garbage in his last 5+ fights, hes won 3 out of his last 10 fights..... 2 of those wins he was being dominated before landing a huge knockout bomb so he could be 1 out of his last 10 fights and theyre calling for a title shot .. just no they cannot do this, would be a perfect way for hendo to end his career but thats not how championship fights should work, jacare has beaten straight killers 9 wins out of his last 10 , the only loss being yoel romero where i think he got robbed it was either a draw or win for him pretty easy to judge .. so could be 10 out of his last 10 beating yoel romero, derek brunson, vitor belfort, francis carmont, camozzi whos still a tough guy


id even say weidman, yoel romero or rockhold with the rematch deserve the fight plenty more over dan henderson here , hell id give it to anderson silva before dan henderson .... the only reason bisping is calling him out is because its the only guy he knows he could beat since the top 5 challengers will eat him alive most likely ( i see him facing jacare next and getting destroyed ) bisping would move around and jab the daylight out of hendo , hes far to slow and stuck in the mud lately which is tailor made for bispings game, so i see why bisping wants the fight he wants to defend his belt once and retire into the sunset but i doubt this happens


on a sidenote ive been hearing they wants GSP VS BISPING for the most wins in ufc history and of course to give the tailor made matchup for GSP to win the middleweight belt and add onto his legacy which if i was him id jump on this fight asapppp

[lokihayze]

Hadn't really looked at cerrone and cote yet, good spotting with cote though fellas!

[JIBBBY]

that would literally be by far the worst belt matchup in a while for the UFC, dont get me wrong hendo is a legend in the mma game but hes over 40 years old , has looked like complete garbage in his last 5+ fights, hes won 3 out of his last 10 fights..... 2 of those wins he was being dominated before landing a huge knockout bomb so he could be 1 out of his last 10 fights and theyre calling for a title shot .. just no they cannot do this, would be a perfect way for hendo to end his career but thats not how championship fights should work, jacare has beaten straight killers 9 wins out of his last 10 , the only loss being yoel romero where i think he got robbed it was either a draw or win for him pretty easy to judge .. so could be 10 out of his last 10 beating yoel romero, derek brunson, vitor belfort, francis carmont, camozzi whos still a tough guy


id even say weidman, yoel romero or rockhold with the rematch deserve the fight plenty more over dan henderson here , hell id give it to anderson silva before dan henderson .... the only reason bisping is calling him out is because its the only guy he knows he could beat since the top 5 challengers will eat him alive most likely ( i see him facing jacare next and getting destroyed ) bisping would move around and jab the daylight out of hendo , hes far to slow and stuck in the mud lately which is tailor made for bispings game, so i see why bisping wants the fight he wants to defend his belt once and retire into the sunset but i doubt this happens


on a sidenote ive been hearing they wants GSP VS BISPING for the most wins in ufc history and of course to give the tailor made matchup for GSP to win the middleweight belt and add onto his legacy which if i was him id jump on this fight asapppp

It's not fair but a Hendo vs Bisping rematch for the title would sell PPV and would be a fan supported fight.. Would it be fair and just to the other contending fighters for Hendo to get a title shot ABSOLUTELY NOT..

UFC is into making money and making the fans happy though.. I think this fight goes down and is announced soon..

Besides, since when does the UFC match makers play by the rules? Demian Maia is being strung out and may never get another title shot no matter how many more fights he wins in a row..

I must say, that would be a story book ending to Dan Hendersons MMA career if that fight happens and he wins..

[firekillex]

dont get me wrong the ufc gives championship fights to guys who dont deserve it regularly the worst one i can think of in recent memory was the chael sonnen vs jon jones fight which was just a setup hitman killing , but honestly i dont even think the hendo-bisping fight would be a big ppv hit even with the backstory of hendo knocking him to a different universe at ufc 100, the mma fan in me would kinda like to see the fight but most definitely not for a title and especially when middleweight is in a huge log jam already i dont see this fight happening

i think theyll go jacare vs bisping in england possibly or if they get crazy GSP vs bisping then do rockhold vs weidman in new york for the next contender and maybe rerun jacare vs yoel since the first fight shouldve been a draw
i still kind of want to see the anderson vs uriah hall fight or maybe robert whittaker in there , a bunch of darkhorse contenders , then you even have mousasi left and tim kennedy whos fighting wars ... hendo isnt even in the top 10 running , plus hasnt been the coolest with the ufc brass ( past contract disputes ) i doubt they gift him this fight but well see , for some reason i really think gsp is coming back to fight him , the ufc would definitely gift gsp this fight since hes the biggest ppv buy and if theyre gonna give a fight to somebody who doesnt deserve it , thatll be gsp in a fight which he could definitely win to

[Hugo de Naranja]

^^After seeing the UFC tonight show with Bisping getting sucked off with his new shinny belt, I also saw and heard a dialed in Rory speak.. Still think Wonderboy gets the early KO but now thinking hedge just in case..

I'm on Wonderboy ITD at +190 for $200 now but seriously considering hedging with Rory by KO at +510 for $50 just to cover that $200 on the flip side..... I think I will and not get greedy as it's a small price to pay to cover the original bet.. If this goes to decision I lose $250..

I don't see this fight going 5 rounds, you got two guys that can finish in this fight and Wonderboy has never gone 5 rounds, Wonderboy has never fought past 3 rounds.. Wonderboy did lose a 3 round decision to Matt Brown though.. Gotta gamble a little bit and take risks betting these fights.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Stephen-Thompson-59608

1005 Thompson wins inside distance

+190

Hedge

1041 MacDonald wins by TKO/KO +510

^^^The copy and paste function isn't working well with 5dimes and SBR anymore as you can see

What do you think about fight not to go the distance (-135)?

[Hugo de Naranja]

Cote +3.5 (-160) looks good since he will probably at least win the first.

[JIBBBY]

What do you think about fight not to go the distance (-135)?

I like it Hugo good eye!!..

Just going by the numbers - Neither fighter has ever gone to a 5 round decision for starters.. Considering Wonderboy knocks out just about everyone he faces lately and also the simple fact that Robbie Lawler was just able to finish Rory before the final bell in his last fight leads me to believe this fight does not go the full 5 rounds...Seems like a strong play to me and the odds are favorable at -135...

You do have consider that if Rory is thinking clinch and take downs only in this fight and is successful then he could grind out a decision possibly via the lay and pray.. I don't think that will happen though as wonderboy moves very well on his feet and also manages distance extremely well..

Don't think Wonderboy gets grapple humped in this scrap. I gave this bet a try in addition to my hedge bets. $135 to win $100...

Rory has a pretty high finishing rate himself in fights.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Rory-MacDonald-14018

$135.00

$100.00

Pending

6/18/16 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1004 Fight won’t go 5 round distance -135* vs Thompson / MacDonald goes 5 rd distance

[kmdubya]

And on Cote/Cowboy - Jibby, you mentioned that Cowboy fights with his chin up... exactly my first thoughts in this matchup. I feel like you either go Cote or stay off it. Hard to bet the smaller guy with the weaker chin (since Cote's is notably strong), who is moving up in weight as the favorite. In this situation it has to be dog or nothing. Not that Cowboy can't win, just that I won't be betting it with this line.

Same with me. Cowboy fights 155 and Cote used to fight 185. Big difference there in size and strength.

I can't see Cote getting KO'd, and if they stay standing up, I think it's a 50/50 fight. Cote has better boxing, but Cowboy could keep him at bay with leg kicks. Cote is terrible in the ground, but only against grinding wrestler, which Cowboy is not. So a submission it not out of the question, but I just think Cote is physically stronger to avoid bad positions on the ground.

Either way, I think Cote wins by KO or decision. Cowboy really can only win by decision (which is pretty likely because Cote has lacked killer instinct in previous fights).