Fairlay Review I rate A

[RonPaul2008]

Does Fairlay offer in-game markets?

[littlekona]

Does Fairlay offer in-game markets?

Yes...it’s an exchange so liquidity on smaller markets is a issue at Times and like all books timing is everything..but there market makers do offer....what I do is enter the team name in search so it lists all open markets instead of clicking on live tab where it can be more confusing

[betg]

did you fill out an official SBR complaint report? please be specific if you have not as to why not. thanks

Yes I did, has mailed them several times about my case but looks like nothing going on.

[trytrytry]

im not asking about emils Im talking about the SBR complaint form

betg just to be clear you filled out exactly in in full this form? (address is listed here) yes or no? when did you fill it out? once? or twice?

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/

Sportsbook ComplaintSportsbook Enter the sportsbook nameAccount # Enter your sportsbook account # or usernameBest describes type of complaint E-mail Example: example@domain.comCountry Of Residence CountryAdditional Contact Information (Optional)Phone number or alternative email addressDescription of Complaint Please forward all relevant e-mail correspondence with sportsbook to help@sportsbookreview.comI am also forwarding e-mail from the sportsbook to help@sportsbookreview.comSend me a copy of this ComplaintI authorize the sportsbook/casino to disclose wagers, transactions or other account details related to this dispute to SBR?

[betg]

Hi,
I've done it once, exact date as copy on my e-mail: Date/Time: 10/06/2017 04:14 AM

[Optional]

Hi,
I've done it once, exact date as copy on my e-mail: Date/Time: 10/06/2017 04:14 AM

I checked for this before. Not sure why we don't have it. Just fill in another one is the best way.

[TheMoneyShot]

Kona... is there a specific time when Fairlay doesn't process BTC PO's?

I processed a PO at 3:23 PM Eastern and it's not even listed on Blockchain.

WTH is going on?

[littlekona]

Kona... is there a specific time when Fairlay doesn't process BTC PO's?

I processed a PO at 3:23 PM Eastern and it's not even listed on Blockchain.

WTH is going on?

hey money...not sure I have not made one since last Friday....if they pulled from your account I would just message them in support...BTW my last one standard .5mbtc was sent with 6 SAT and it confirmed in less then a hour just a fyi....Report back what happens

[TheMoneyShot]

hey money...not sure I have not made one since last Friday....if they pulled from your account I would just message them in support...BTW my last one standard .5mbtc was sent with 6 SAT and it confirmed in less then a hour just a fyi....Report back what happens

Again.... every time I want to move BTC fast... you simply can't do it with Fairlay. About 1 hour and 20 minutes since PO request... nothing on Blockchain... funds taken out of my acct instantly... as normal.

I guess I'll never learn.

[littlekona]

Again.... every time I want to move BTC fast... you simply can't do it with Fairlay. About 1 hour and 20 minutes since PO request... nothing on Blockchain... funds taken out of my acct instantly... as normal.

I guess I'll never learn.

Message support....you know they will send u have been using long enough ...probably just a glinch in there system it happens...keep us posted

Fyi i read in chat they said non priorities withdrawal are having tech issues..priorities are working....ask them for a free priority in support chat

[TheMoneyShot]

Message support....you know they will send u have been using long enough ...probably just a glinch in there system it happens...keep us posted

I guess I'm not considered a priority?
What constitutes a priority??? Is it the Bitcoin Network unclogged???? Or just a way to screw a client over asking to give up more funds?

Unfukkingreal

[littlekona]

You shouldn't have to pay for priority now your right...probably just tech issue's w that processor ask then for a free priority...crap happens its not exact science these processors...you know that...lol

[TheMoneyShot]

You shouldn't have to pay for priority now your right...probably just tech issue's w that processor ask then for a free priority...crap happens its not exact science these processors...you know that...lol

Kona... I don't like asking for free things. I don't like bothering customer support. I also don't like inconsistencies.

Fairlay in the Q/A section claims you should only use the Trollbox to ask simple customer support questions (which I did.) It also states you will be charged a fee if your questions are excessive and/or if you have to email customer support.

[TheMoneyShot]

I don't even want my PO now. I wish there was a way to cancel it. I wish there was a way that you knew your PO would of been delayed.

I don't even need my PO now. Just fukking sucks. Opportunity to exchange BTC flew by.

[TheMoneyShot]

Kona... is there a specific time when Fairlay doesn't process BTC PO's?

I processed a PO at 3:23 PM Eastern and it's not even listed on Blockchain.

WTH is going on?

Just for the posters who are trying to follow and also find some consistencies with Fairlay PO's.....

I requested a regular PO at around 3:23 PM. Finally it hit blockchain at 5:45 Eastern. (2 hour 22 minute delay)

Now... waiting on confirmation.

[littlekona]

I would send messages via support chat the next tab on top not to troll box...that way u will have direct conversation and its saved privately...or ask them to cancel it...give them a chance to fix though as u know the drill...any issues they have always fixed...

Oh God lol...i saw they sent it post....ure so funny money...lol made me laugh

[trytrytry]

Hi,
I've done it once, exact date as copy on my e-mail: Date/Time: 10/06/2017 04:14 AM

\\betg for the love of sportsbooks all over will you take 3 minutes and fill in another for SBR. forget this 10/06/2017 stuff. Fill in another, its 3 minutes.

[TheMoneyShot]

\\betg for the love of sportsbooks all over will you take 3 minutes and fill in another for SBR. forget this 10/06/2017 stuff. Fill in another, its 3 minutes.

I totally agree. Every time someone calls him out.... his defense is "I sent one earlier." Story has no merit.

[mrpapageorgio]

I totally agree. Every time someone calls him out.... his defense is "I sent one earlier." Story has no merit.

Why should he have to? Do you realize how much electricity would be wasted generating a new complaint? Not to mention, he could spend those 45 seconds doing something more productive. For example, it's more vital to generate a 2 millionth post telling people to stay away from Fairlay than generate a 2nd complaint form and possibly get the Bitcoin back.

[littlekona]

So I have been on 9wickets too which I love for what it offers but Fairlay on the sports side is 100X better more markets the big thing plus for us smaller bettors Fairlay min wager is .01 mBTC where as the min stake at 9wickets(betfair) is 10 Euro....Also comparing odds in real time compared to pinny bet 88 fairlay is better by a few points in most cases...odds on fairlay and 9wickets(betfair) are about the same but fairlay has zero commissions..

SBR Admins...we are still waiting on a review of Fairlay plus also might as well do 9wickets pretty please

update us please SBR...

[trytrytry]

betg for the love of sportsbooks all over will you take 3 minutes and fill in another for SBR. forget this 10/06/2017 stuff. Fill in another, its 3 minutes.

[littlekona]

betg for the love of sportsbooks all over will you take 3 minutes and fill in another for SBR. forget this 10/06/2017 stuff. Fill in another, its 3 minutes.

Any of us in here would be sending a new form every day if asked to for that much btc right?.. plus do anything reasonable Fairlay requested .....here is a little refresher from betg on the fairlay forum last year..notice how fairlay says they will process yet betg like he does here with sbr does not comply....


“BETG”
Hello, after few month fight to get my withdrawal without verify I have finally decided to send documents which they have asked for (ID+utility bill) and this was MISTAKE!
After they got it I got reply: "thank you. Please send us a very short video where you hold your ID document and a hand-written note that says "For verification of Fairlay account *username here*". Please send us this video within the next 24 hours, so we will be able to process your withdrawal.
Best,
Team Fairlay"
Now I am really p***d !! they are complicating it as much as they can!! the next step propably will be flight to the company and make cinema movie with them. !! WARNING THIS SITE DO NOT PAY !!
Please someone tell me which licensor should I contact (asked them also but don't know if I will get reply) because their site is now so unreadable... Thank you in advance.

[TheMoneyShot]

Any of us in here would be sending a new form every day if asked to for that much btc right?.. plus do anything reasonable Fairlay requested .....here is a little refresher from betg on the fairlay forum last year..notice how fairlay says they will process yet betg like he does here with sbr does not comply....


“BETG”
Hello, after few month fight to get my withdrawal without verify I have finally decided to send documents which they have asked for (ID+utility bill) and this was MISTAKE!
After they got it I got reply: "thank you. Please send us a very short video where you hold your ID document and a hand-written note that says "For verification of Fairlay account *username here*". Please send us this video within the next 24 hours, so we will be able to process your withdrawal.
Best,
Team Fairlay"
Now I am really p***d !! they are complicating it as much as they can!! the next step propably will be flight to the company and make cinema movie with them. !! WARNING THIS SITE DO NOT PAY !!
Please someone tell me which licensor should I contact (asked them also but don't know if I will get reply) because their site is now so unreadable... Thank you in advance.

If I was betg... I'd be begging SBR like a dog to help me retrieve my BTC. (Sending countless emails.)

Clearly something is wrong with the story.

[raiders72001]

This will never end. Fairlay stiffed betg. He shouldn't have to beg or plead or send a video. He didn't bonus whore or multi-account to circumvent limits. No one knows why betg doesn't want his identity out there but it's irrelevant.

For those backing Fairlay, post a video of yourself here with your name and address so that those who wish can turn this in to authorities accusing you of money laundering.

[Optional]

This will never end. Fairlay stiffed betg. He shouldn't have to beg or plead or send a video. He didn't bonus whore or multi-account to circumvent limits. No one knows why betg doesn't want his identity out there but it's irrelevant.

For those backing Fairlay, post a video of yourself here with your name and address so that those who wish can turn this in to authorities accusing you of money laundering.

That's not an excuse.

If you believe Fairlay cannot be trusted with information and would turn it into authorities to get back at a player, then I suggest you avoid this place like the plague.

I doubt they would do that. But it would be interesting to see how fast their business died if they did try that on someone for real! I'd guess them just making the threat has resulted in plenty of lost business already.

But I do agree, if BetG does not want to give any sort of ID info, thats his choice, but its a choice that means he is choosing to give up that money as well.

I guess that's part of the risk/game if you insist on remaining completely anonymous but still want to gamble at sportsbooks. Sometimes you are going to be faced with this choice. Very little sympathy here for BetG. Even though I think he should have just been paid and cut loose from the start.


Long story short. Whole thing leaves me not trusting FAIRlay to act FAIRly in the future. But also think BetG made his own bed and has to accept it being lumpy now.

[raiders72001]

That's not an excuse.

If you believe Fairlay cannot be trusted with information and would turn it into authorities to get back at a player, then I suggest you avoid this place like the plague.

I doubt they would do that. But it would be interesting to see how fast their business died if they did try that on someone for real! I'd guess them just making the threat has resulted in plenty of lost business already.

But I do agree, if BetG does not want to give any sort of ID info, thats his choice, but its a choice that means he is choosing to give up that money as well.

I guess that's part of the risk/game if you insist on remaining completely anonymous but still want to gamble at sportsbooks. Sometimes you are going to be faced with this choice. Very little sympathy here for BetG. Even though I think he should have just been paid and cut loose from the start.


Long story short. Whole thing leaves me not trusting FAIRlay to act FAIRly in the future. But also think BetG made his own bed and has to accept it being lumpy now.

You make solid points but if Fairlay isn't going to turn over betg's video and information to authorities, why does Fairlay want a video?

[raiders72001]

If a player takes a 100% bonus with a 5x rollover, players are going to multi-account, bitcoin book or fiat. KYC is need under those circumstances.

[Optional]

You make solid points but if Fairlay isn't going to turn over betg's video and information to authorities, why does Fairlay want a video?

Maybe he sent them doctored still images. Maybe they think video is more certain than stills. Maybe they thought they were being smart making it as tough/uncomfortable as possible. Hard to know.

But if they did shop him to some authority how do you imagine forumville would react? What would be the only info new people would be able to find about them via google?

They look like they made a rookie error here, but I'd think they are smart enough to not double down on the mistake.

[mrpapageorgio]

Maybe he sent them doctored still images. Maybe they think video is more certain than stills. Maybe they thought they were being smart making it as tough/uncomfortable as possible. Hard to know.

But if they did shop him to some authority how do you imagine forumville would react? What would be the only info new people would be able to find about them via google?

They look like they made a rookie error here, but I'd think they are smart enough to not double down on the mistake.

Could also be a CYA move out of fear in case the feds do knock on their door since they said one of the issues was they suspected fraud (WTS: I'd lay money Fairlay has not sought a legal opinion on this from a lawyer experienced in fraud issues and is basically being overcautious). They may not turn over the video on their own volition, but if they get questioned, they can say "this is who we sent the Bitcoin to, now leave us alone."

Look what happened to U.S. Bank because they were sloppy in their AML procedures (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/go...rticle/2649217). Ya, Fairlay isn't a bank, but what company wouldn't rather be overcautious than under-cautious when these headlines come out and would likely have to spend a fortune defending itself even if it was innocent? I'm not saying what they're doing is the right, I'm just saying what could be Fairlay's motivation in this.

Overall, I would guess they are nervous about the situation and feel stiffing an anonymous Bitcoin user who won't identify himself to their satisfaction is a better option than worrying about having to defend itself if the feds knock on their door over this situation because it turned out this depositor was a criminal using their site to funnel dirty money and didn't do anything more than just block his account.

[littlekona]

no different then any type of funding fraud like using stolen credit card to fund....if i used stolen cc and then when asked for KYC refused and or sent fake docs then didn't comply with additional request any book would do the same thing....no book would pay me until I cleared it up and the burden is always on the player when fraud is suspected...Make sure you read the t/c's at all your books....bottom line is that BETG is only guy in 4 years they ever asked for KYC he is the only guy I know that deposits and withdrawals to a gambling account and does not wager too. the guy cant follow a simple request from SBR posters and you trust him?....Fairlay is a trusted book and as transparent as the come....look at there cold wallet with player funds https://blockchain.info/address/1EV8...7KdcbE12pk4FwZ

[Optional]

Could also be a CYA move out of fear in case the feds do knock on their door since they said one of the issues was they suspected fraud (WTS: I'd lay money Fairlay has not sought a legal opinion on this from a lawyer experienced in fraud issues and is basically being overcautious). They may not turn over the video on their own volition, but if they get questioned, they can say "this is who we sent the Bitcoin to, now leave us alone."

Look what happened to U.S. Bank because they were sloppy in their AML procedures (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/go...rticle/2649217). Ya, Fairlay isn't a bank, but what company wouldn't rather be overcautious than under-cautious when these headlines come out and would likely have to spend a fortune defending itself even if it was innocent? I'm not saying what they're doing is the right, I'm just saying what could be Fairlay's motivation in this.

Overall, I would guess they are nervous about the situation and feel stiffing an anonymous Bitcoin user who won't identify himself to their satisfaction is a better option than worrying about having to defend itself if the feds knock on their door over this situation because it turned out this depositor was a criminal using their site to funnel dirty money and didn't do anything more than just block his account.

If they are worried about the feds, they would be way more worried about having it found out that they allowed him to wash money without a bet 40 previous times.

So stiffing him would seem like a totally mornic move to me. "hey, we cocked up and are afraid of the feds, lets stiff this guy and see if that encourages him to keep it quiet". Nah. Red herring.


They are a CR registered company. The only AML laws they have to follow are any imposed under their business license there or CR law.

Do you see ANY other CR registered bookmaker doing anything like this?

[littlekona]

If they are worried about the feds, they would be way more worried about having it found out that they allowed him to wash money without a bet 40 previous times.

So stiffing him would seem like a totally mornic move to me. "hey, we cocked up and are afraid of the feds, lets stiff this guy and see if that encourages him to keep it quiet". Nah. Red herring.


They are a CR registered company. The only AML laws they have to follow are any imposed under their business license there or CR law.

Do you see ANY other CR registered bookmaker doing anything like this?

Lets say that Fairlay knows that the BTC was stolen...I am not saying that this is case but if it was stolen and the btc was tracked to lets say from your wallet Optional it was your BTC and was hacked or stolen...So then what? Just give it back to the thief?
Also they caught him right after going out of BETA so that may have been something to do with them catching him

[Optional]

^^^ I'm done speculating about what they may think or fear Kona.

I think Fairlay had a good say about this in that thread over at bitcointalk and didn't say it was stolen or they were subject to US federal law or any of these things.

[littlekona]

^^^ I'm done speculating about what they may think or fear Kona.

I think Fairlay had a good say about this in that thread over at bitcointalk and didn't say it was stolen or they were subject to US federal law or any of these things.

They just said Criminal activities and AML's....Whatever...This guy BETG did not listen or follow directions so he got what he deserved..Simple as that...I'm done too with this....He can start a new tread...lets keep this one on Fairlay and any site issues from actual peeps that wager

[mrpapageorgio]

If they are worried about the feds, they would be way more worried about having it found out that they allowed him to wash money without a bet 40 previous times.

So stiffing him would seem like a totally mornic move to me. "hey, we cocked up and are afraid of the feds, lets stiff this guy and see if that encourages him to keep it quiet". Nah. Red herring.


They are a CR registered company. The only AML laws they have to follow are any imposed under their business license there or CR law.

Do you see ANY other CR registered bookmaker doing anything like this?

I didn't say they were right, but they doesn't mean they aren't paranoid about it either. I.e. "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me." It's been said the people running this site are more techies than bookies so they might not be as versed in what can or can't happen with running an offshore book where sites like Bookmaker and 5Dimes have been around the block a few times compared to how long Fairlay has been around.