chat? sounds like joke ... they should disable deposit option... and finally pay me/ refund me my deposit of 1.2BTC. STAY AWAY!
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Looks like funds have been creditedComment -
that's good....before this issue how was your experience been with fairlay?Originally posted by Living The DreamComment -
Inexcusable to have a PO being held up because Fairlay was cheap with the fees.
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was it standard or priority....when I do standard ones I only do when I don't need asap cause I have had few that take 2/3 days to conform...Priority ones I have done for the 1 mBTC have been confirming within few hours...Just pay the extra .5 and get them conformed faster....BTC miners feees are still high it sucks! 1mBTC for priority is worth itOriginally posted by TheMoneyShotComment -
Not paying the extra 0.5 mBTC because they made the call to increase everything. How about not grouping my PO's with other clients? My PO would of been confirmed within 3 hours if they didn't group mine with others on the low rate. How do I know? Because I sent Bitcoins with an $8.00 fee the same time I requested a PO once I figured there's no way it would of been confirmed in time.Originally posted by littlekona
It's total bullsh#$. Don't group my PO's with others. If they were honest... and you added everyone's fee that they paid.... Christ... we would of all had our Bitcoins confirmed by now.
Who wouldn't be outraged by this? If you want everyone to do business with your book... don't be cheap with the fees. I'm paying the damn 0.5 up front. I shouldn't even have to do that.
27 hours now... still unconfirmed.
Right when I did the math with the fees involved... and the byte size... I said.. "You gotta be kidding me". Wasn't even close to a respectable amount. Totally fukked over now.Comment -
Just do the priority for the 1mbtc and it confirms pretty quick if you need it quick...I’m going to do a priority one in next day or so and I’ll post it so we can track...but seriously that’s why they added the priority because of the btc network issues..I have had many take a few days too in the past before the priority was available and I know how frustrating it is but until network fees drop just do priority or use other coins...with them still having zero commission I think it’s reasonableOriginally posted by TheMoneyShotComment -
Batch payments are used to reduce the per tx fee. I think pretty much all books/payemntprocessors use the method.Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
When you batch payments together each extra receiver adds just 32 bytes to the tx size, so your personal part of the tx only needs about 600 satoshi fee.
The batched/grouped send method should make no difference to the confirmation time.
I agree books should give users the option to pay for a priority send if they want to cover high fees themselves though..Comment -
here is one I requested late last night was sent out instant confirmed about an hour ago
Now I was a little upset like moneyshot was with the fee being low 119.027 sat/B so I asked them about it and got this as a response to why the fee was low IMO.... "Fees are no longer measured per byte but per weight unit. As we use native SegWit we have to pay less fees per kb. " So it took maybe 12 hours or so to confirm but it did...I do think they should bump up the fee a tad to at least 300sat/b but I do not have a great understanding of segwit and how it lowers the fees ect.....So all in all I wish it was a bit quicker to confirm but with how the BTC network has been the last month I a satisfied with the timeComment -
I had the impression that native segwit wallets could not take advantage of the lower fee when sending to regular wallets.Originally posted by littlekonahere is one I requested late last night was sent out instant confirmed about an hour ago
Now I was a little upset like moneyshot was with the fee being low 119.027 sat/B so I asked them about it and got this as a response to why the fee was low IMO.... "Fees are no longer measured per byte but per weight unit. As we use native SegWit we have to pay less fees per kb. " So it took maybe 12 hours or so to confirm but it did...I do think they should bump up the fee a tad to at least 300sat/b but I do not have a great understanding of segwit and how it lowers the fees ect.....So all in all I wish it was a bit quicker to confirm but with how the BTC network has been the last month I a satisfied with the time
There are non-native segwit wallets as well, but they use a 'hack' to stay compatible both ways that means the fee saving isn't as much.
The fees are only lower as the byte size is lower, but only when sending from and to a segwit compatible wallet.
Made a thread about this as still trying to get my head around it fully..Comment -
Yes Optional. I get all that. My point is.... let's say for example fairlay grouped 3 payouts together. Each client paid around $7.25 to get their money. Well... that's around $21.75 that Fairlay could of used to pay for extra miner's fees. But they didn't. They used around $9.50 to group payouts together. Byte size was around 725 or so. They pocketed the rest.. apparently?Originally posted by Optional
I have no problem if Heritage or 5Dimes did this to me.... because of the Free PO's. But when I'm paying a fee for this??? That's shady of fairlay to do.
The rule is 0.5 mBTC... and that's fair enough in regards to price. But if my PO was sent out solo with that fee... I would of had it around 5-7 hours or so easily.
And if fairlay used everyone's 0.5 mBTC for 3 clients... sh#$... we would of probably had it in 30 minutes to 60 minutes.
Regardless, I'm done talking about this. Chalk it up... lesson learned.Comment -
Oh. Now I understand your beef better. And agree.Originally posted by TheMoneyShot.Comment -
Currently waiting on a cash out... They say under 5 Bitcoin is usually instantaneous... I am on 5 hours and funds haven't even come out of my account... Now I understand it's still not bad for 5 hours, but the way my deposit went with them taking 3 days to credit is making this withdrawal my last interaction with them... They might not be a bad thing, but they have been horrible with the crediting of deposits and now I am concerned about everything involving them...Comment -
Yep... I am done... Customer service told me that everything was in working order 2 hours after they cancelled my cash out without telling me with any notice... And it shows errors with the depositComment -
2+ hours on the new cash out with nothing processed... Going to bed let's see if their "instant" cash out can be done in 10 hoursComment -
Their reply:
"As you said, you were kinda unlucky both times as the RPC calls timed out (you are the only user this affected, all other withdrawals and deposits worked on ETH yesterday), a fix was applied after the second time it failed. Please try again, all funds were returned on the unsuccessful tries."
Expected no less... Btw, hour and a half on the 3rd attempt with no transactions on the network waiting confirmation... Instant my ass...Comment -
Ughh! maybe try a different coin as mbtc has been working an instant with about 8-12 Hr confirmation times for my last few...But anyways that sux please keep us updatedOriginally posted by Living The DreamComment -
For the live betting there seems to be 20 different markets per game on the new site and say if you are looking to make a moneyline bey you have to click on every one to find it. I went to the old site last night but didnt see any live markets posted there. Any suggestions?Comment -
"You are the only one" it's their standard excuse... in my situation they said I am the only one they asking for ID,utility bill, video with me, proove source of the funds... so we both lucky to be the only one experience problems... STAY AWAY THEY DO NOT PAY!Comment -
There is a way to change that within settings I think but what I do is enter team in search and then it lists all open live s that team....I am old school use old site still a lot but new site I like as odds update autoOriginally posted by sdtraderComment -
I did it as Bitcoin and now because of their incompetentcy with my account only apparently, it will cost me $16 instead of $1... I will never again use them... EverComment -
I don't blame you...But if you do just use the MBTC or MBCH and your fine...It's something with the ETHER network or there developer from what I gather....I would ask for a comp for all your issues I would think bare min they would cover any withdrawal fees...I would send them a nice email expressing your frustrations throw in what you like about them and then end it again with the frustrations again along with asking for a comp for troubles...its called a shit sandwich in sales world...Originally posted by Living The DreamComment -
They have like 50 "frustration" mails from me - without reply... so they don't care at all, STAY AWAY THEY DO NOT PAY ME FOR 7-8 MONTHS, 1.2btc LOST.Comment -
cliff notes version: you where depositing and withdrawing without wagering using site as a micer they gave you chance but you choose to ignore the KYC request for 2+ months then sent fake docs and the you said you had no camera for the request of a video...You need to be a smarter crook....Dark Web sites are no bueno senor BETGOriginally posted by betgComment -
Besides the fact that I didn't depo from any "dark web" anything is that in your mind, tell me who cares from where do I depo? if they accept depo they should AT LEAST refund same address if they say it's from dark web... but they rather want to collect the money and then everything is OK - littlekona if you really do not work for them then you should understand otherwise... well ok they/you can do anything, they/you are not licensed at all, they/you love to collect and spend all "darkweb" money and do not reply to mails, finally they/you are scammy dum*as*esComment -
Im an advocate for all the books I use esp when crooks like you try to scam, defame and mislead.. look at my other posts senor BETG..Originally posted by betg
If you pulled same crap at any book you would be in same spot plus maybe even legal issues if it was UK book.....your just not a very smart crookComment -
not true. All other book bitcoin books and exchanges would pay betg. I understand that you like Fairlay but it's unfair to back them blindly.Originally posted by littlekona
At most, betg would have been paid and banned at other bitcoin books and exchanges. You can't use Fairlay's previous good deeds to cover up a bad one.Comment -
It's bad enough that we are giving up our rights and freedoms to governments. Allowing a sports book to confiscate money by representing the law is overboard. There are some great videos by Andreas Antonopoulus that address bitcoin and freedom rights.Comment -
Just because its bitcoin does not mean its wild west and anything goes....It's specific in there T&C's that they can request a KYC( Nitrogen has this too listed and can ask at any time for a KYC) plus it says it can freeze funds until KYC is met if they suspect any money laundering or criminal activity....Now if Senor BETG complied to the reasonable request they made due to his activity there and they did not pay him or if it was not it the terms it would be a different story....Now due to the fact I am open minded I would not give Fairlay an A grade as I would of earlier due to the issues with the ETHER deposit and withdrawal issues that some players have had along with some payouts that went out w a low fees....Everyone's issues did get fixed but for the inconvenience I'd drop them down to a bit and if I where SBR i would get them a rating so we can officially track since many many peeps here use....Start them at a B- or C+ document good/bad so we have on record and they can move up and down like all listed on SBR....That is fair is it notOriginally posted by raiders72001Comment -
You stated that all books would confiscate the money. No bitcoin book would confiscate the money. It's not a reasonable request to ask for video. You stated that Nitrogen has the same rules. Nitrogen would never ask for video.Originally posted by littlekona
Send betg, or anyone else here, your name, address, phone number and video of yourself so that they can send that information to the authorities and accuse you of tax evasion and money laundering. You wouldn't send that information to anyone here and if you did, it would be false information.
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littlekona- Name one book, fiat or bitcoin, that has confiscated money because a player didn't send a video of himself?Comment -
If a properly licensed book asks for a selfie or video conference for KYC they pretty much will all hold onto your money indefinitely if you don't do it.Originally posted by raiders72001
But it's tough to compare this to that situation anyway. Fairlay is not subject to the same rules regarding KYC/AML under their CR registration.
But I do agree with LittleKona that using bitcoin is not a license to think players are not subject to normal player management or reasonable rules. Which require ID sometimes.
You two should not argue though. The book sounds like they have decided to be unreasonable in this case but so does the player. Leave them to do the fighting. BetG can keep making his posts. He's not being over the top. And Fairlay deserve to reminded of their actions..Comment -
Which book ask for "detailed signed document documenting the source of the funds you deposited to Fairlay." ?Comment -
Bet365, Ladbrokes, PaddyPower, Bwin, Betfair etc etc. Every UK licensed bookmaker and many using other mainstream licenses like Malta, IoM, Alderney etc.Originally posted by betg
You would not get to deposit and withdraw without betting at any of those anyway, but if you did you would have the same sort of requests..Comment -
Okay first time I see this... anyway I don't have idea how can I do that when it's my 1 of xxx addresses which is impossible to locate for me and even if I find it I won't find where from have I transferred money there... finally which book gives you 24 hours to send this and after this deadline "the case is closed" ?Comment
