World Series Game 6: Pedro vs. Pettitte

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  • Willie Bee
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-14-06
    • 15726

    #1
    World Series Game 6: Pedro vs. Pettitte
    World Series Game 6: Pedro vs. Pettitte

    The Phillies live to fight another day, thanks to Cliff Lee and Chase Utley. Monday night’s 8-6 win over the Yanks in Philly sends the World Series back to New York for an intriguing Game 6 matchup of mound veterans.



    Now this should be fun.

    Cliff Lee wasn’t overpowering as he had been in his previous four postseason starts, but the lefthander was good enough to help Philadelphia to an 8-6 win in Game 5 on Monday and force the World Series back to New York.

    The bulk of Lee’s offensive support in the game came from Chase Utley who homered twice and drove in four runs. The Phillies infielder now has five home runs in the Series, giving him seven for his career, most ever for a second baseman in World Series play. He’ll try to add to that record at Yankee Stadium on Wednesday night in Game 6.

    The Yankees opened as -185, -190 favorites for the game, odds that are now scratching at -200 at most offshore shops. The total is sitting on 9.

    Headlining Game 6 is the starting pitching matchup with Pedro Martinez taking the ball for Charlie Manuel’s troops while Joe Girardi sends Andy Pettitte to the mound, the third-straight New York hurler to be working on short rest.

    The meeting between Pedro and Andy no doubt conjures up images of a Sox-Yankees contest. The two veterans faced each other six times while Martinez was with Boston, all in the regular season from 1998 to 2003 before Pettitte departed for a few seasons in Houston and Martinez toiled in Queens for the Mets.

    In the six prior meetings between the two, the Yankees won three and the Red Sox won the other three. Hmm, not really much to go on there. But wait! What’s this I see?

    The three games Pettitte started and New York came out on top were all at Boston’s Fenway Park while the three Martinez started with the Sox coming out on top were played in ‘old’ Yankee Stadium. If the same trend holds true in this one, it means we’re heading towards a Game 7 showdown on Thursday in what would be another interesting pitching matchup. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves just yet.

    While there is no question about Manuel sending Martinez to the mound for Wednesday’s game, Girardi’s decision to use a three-man rotation this Series, and push the 37-year old Pettitte to the mound on short rest, has drawn a lot of fire. Throwing A.J. Burnett with one less day of rest didn’t turn out like the Yankees skipper hoped on Monday, though both Girardi and Burnett insisted after the game it had nothing to do with the increased workload.

    Burnett walked four in the game, and hit another batter, with three of those runners coming home before the New York righthander saw his night come to an early close in the third inning.

    Pettitte has started five postseason games on three days rest, pitching well with a 2.88 ERA to show in those assignments. But the last time he did it in the playoffs was the 2003 World Series, coincidentally the last season he and Martinez went head-to-head against one another.

    To his credit, Pettitte has had just one bad inning in the postseason so far, that coming in the second frame of Game 3 last Saturday when the Phillies plated three to take the lead. Pettitte then settled down and let his offense play catch-up in what would be an 8-5 New York win.

    Likewise, Martinez has pitched very well in the postseason, albeit in just two starts. Pedro blanked the Dodgers for seven innings of Game 2 of their NLDS in LA before making the Game 2 start in New York last Thursday. The Dominican righthander made two mistakes to Mark Teixeira and Hideki Matsui, and both took him yard for solo shots to turn a 1-0 Philadelphia lead into a 2-1 Yanks advantage.

    Since Martinez last pitched the two offenses have caught fire, scoring 13, 11 and 14 runs in the Games 3, 4 and 5 respectively. That is more in line with what we expected in this World Series with the top scoring team from the AL vs. the top scoring squad from the NL. Now both offenses get the added luxury of the designated hitter at Yankee Stadium.

    The fan in me will be rooting for Philadelphia to take Game 6, not because I’m a Pedro or Phillies fan or a Yankee hater. No, I’ll be cheering the Phils because I’m selfish and want to see the baseball season extend to a Game 7 on Thursday. The bettor in me will instead just count on the offenses to take this final over the nine-run mark.

    STARTING PITCHERS
    Game 6, Thu, Nov 4, 7:57 p.m. (ET): Pedro Martinez (8-1, 3.63 regular season / 1-1, 2.07 postseason) vs. Andy Pettitte (21-11, 4.16 regular season / 3-1, 3.24 postseason)

    UMPIRE
    It’s been over 33 years since Joe West first saw action as a big league umpire. Since that day in September 1976, the rotund one has worked over 4,100 big league games, including 82 in the postseason.

    West headed up the crew that worked the Angels, Red Sox ALDS in early October, calling the pitches in Game 1 of that series that went to the Halos by a five-zip score in Anaheim. His last World Series game behind the plate was the opener of the 2005 Fall Classic between the Astros and White Sox in Chicago with the Pale hose taking a 5-3 win.

    For the 2009 regular season, West was a 21-14 lean on Home/Visitors and sported a 15-18-2 O/U record (10-13-2 in the 8½-10 range).

    WEATHER
    The forecast for Game 6 looks good currently; the same can’t be said for the weather on Thursday should there be a Game 7.

    Things could certainly change between now and Wednesday, but the present forecast is showing mostly sunny skies in the New York City area for the day with just a 10% chance of any rain. It will be on the chilly side, with the thermometer likely in the mid-to-upper 40s for the first pitch. Winds are listed at 5-10 MPH out of the WNW (3B bag out to the RF corner).

    NOTE: The W-L records shown for starting pitchers are their team's W-L mark when they start games. Statistical sources for this article were Retrosheet.org, Baseball-Reference.com and ESPN.com and of course, S-BEE-R-dot-com!
  • Bread
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-16-08
    • 23726

    #2
    I don't think the most amazing Dominica-Perm in all the land can take this thing to a Game 7.
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    • acarmelo1
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 09-29-09
      • 6321

      #3
      Yankees will win on game 6. GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!
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      • Chateaugay
        SBR High Roller
        • 10-29-09
        • 137

        #4
        Nice write up...Go yanks
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        • Willie Bee
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-14-06
          • 15726

          #5
          Originally posted by Bread
          I don't think the most amazing Dominica-Perm in all the land can take this thing to a Game 7.
          You're just jealous of his jheri curls, aren't you?

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          • tblues2005
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 07-30-06
            • 9235

            #6
            I see the Yankees winning this one and closing this series out on Wednesday night.
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            • buztah
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 03-23-07
              • 7470

              #7
              Very good write-up, Willie, but I see the Yankees winning big.

              Yankees 9

              Phillies 2

              Utley is the Phils offense, when it comes to RBIs and momo, and AP will do what he has to to neutralize him. Pedro will not silence the best Yankee lineup that Gerardi can muster for this Game 6. By the seventh inning stretch, look for the Bombers to start pulling away.
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              • tblues2005
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-30-06
                • 9235

                #8
                I agree there Buz I think the Yankees win big also. I think it will be something like 9-5 or something like that.
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                • Willie Bee
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 02-14-06
                  • 15726

                  #9
                  As long as 10 runs are scored, I don't really care. Just wouldn't mind a Game 7.
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                  • acarmelo1
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-29-09
                    • 6321

                    #10
                    World Series Ends wednesday -185
                    World Series Ends thursday +165
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                    • pattymayo
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 05-19-09
                      • 10221

                      #11
                      Gonna be a slugfest IMO... bet we'll see the bullpens by the 6th inning. Andy on three days rest does not look good... wouldn't be surprised to see Rivera come in for a 7, 8 or even 9 out save. Yanks want this game BAD
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                      • tblues2005
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 07-30-06
                        • 9235

                        #12
                        patty that would not be shocking to me at all to see a really high scoring game. I think you have a valid point that the Yankees want this game really bad.
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                        • acarmelo1
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 09-29-09
                          • 6321

                          #13
                          Rivera will get the save
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                          • acarmelo1
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-29-09
                            • 6321

                            #14
                            Mariano Rivera = Game Over
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                            • tblues2005
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 07-30-06
                              • 9235

                              #15
                              So far your right acarmelo! He has been lights out!
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                              • TodayIsForgotten
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 06-19-06
                                • 534

                                #16
                                I think the yanks will pull-through. Baseball is all about pitch counts nowadays and I'm sorry but these are grown men and three days rest is not a very telling sign. Baseball is so unpredictable. Rest, no rest. All players are human. I bet if AJ had 8 days rest the outcome probably would have been as it was last night.
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                                • MrMonkey
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 11-09-08
                                  • 2278

                                  #17
                                  Yes WB, the Over seems to be the way to go if no rooting interest. Both Andy and Pedro look primed to get belted? I just don't see the Phils winning this game if falling behind early. Must get out of the gate early.
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                                  • CK
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 07-22-09
                                    • 198

                                    #18
                                    +185 Phillies is quite enticing....
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                                    • Mikail
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 07-19-09
                                      • 21689

                                      #19
                                      Good value on the Phils ML
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                                      • lakerboy
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 04-02-09
                                        • 94379

                                        #20
                                        Hey Willie dont you think the phils should have started Lee in game 2 to build momentum heading home? I know you wont admit it now but my analysis was right on. Winning game 1 has been a big stats advantage in recent times for sure but it didnt work this time. See you said they would use lee 3 times but since they didnt pitch him in game 4 what was the point of using him in game 1. Would of been nice to have him on the mound tomorrow no. Yanks will level Pedro
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                                        • BadNina
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 11-27-07
                                          • 10491

                                          #21
                                          Nice write up, Dad!!!


                                          Is it a bad thing if I say I want the Yankees to win so baseball will finally be over?
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                                          • Chi_archie
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-22-08
                                            • 63167

                                            #22
                                            commone PED-rooooo


                                            one time
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                                            • Masu485
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 08-14-08
                                              • 7700

                                              #23
                                              damn, i just started wagering again last week and this is the ONLY baseball game all year i'll be playing! and i wont even get to watch becasue i'll be out tomorrow. i haven't watched a game in forever i miss it!!

                                              anyway, phils may lose, but i do see value in the line, so i'm leaning that way.
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                                              • marabdl86
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-06-09
                                                • 1067

                                                #24
                                                Yankees are winning at home. You people are a bookies dream taking the phillis because there's "value" give me a break.
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                                                • tripp
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 09-21-09
                                                  • 376

                                                  #25
                                                  As a Yanks fan i have to say this line is too high. With that said I don't know how a lineup like the yanks can hammer Pedro, but he kept them in check in gm 2.

                                                  Hoping the Yankees win, but no way could i play them at -200. I think there is a good chance they lose, and then win gm 7 (line should be around -215/-225 for game 7)
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                                                  • moses millsap
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 08-25-05
                                                    • 8289

                                                    #26
                                                    heart wants phils, but head says petitte struggles but pitches well enough to win

                                                    pedro goes out and pitches lights out until late in the 6th or 7th when he gives up a crooked number
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                                                    • MJFtheGenius
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 05-31-07
                                                      • 7257

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by acarmelo1
                                                      World Series Ends wednesday -185
                                                      World Series Ends thursday +165

                                                      game goes past midnight and ur fuked....yanks games take long i would play the + side there
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                                                      • Gaston Monescu
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 09-14-09
                                                        • 295

                                                        #28
                                                        Philies moneyline tied into a minor parlay for shizz and giggs.
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                                                        • KC
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 04-12-07
                                                          • 1613

                                                          #29
                                                          Like over with short rest for Andy, just hope we don't see Mo for 2+ innings
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                                                          • Skidcom
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 11-17-06
                                                            • 1796

                                                            #30
                                                            Appreciate the analysis
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                                                            • thebertshow
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 08-30-07
                                                              • 645

                                                              #31
                                                              Go Phillies. I want to see a game 7.
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                                                              • CK
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 07-22-09
                                                                • 198

                                                                #32
                                                                Put a Phillies (+185) / Over (9 @ -120) parlay down for 4 units (16.9unit payout). Go Phillies!
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                                                                • Willie Bee
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 02-14-06
                                                                  • 15726

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by BadNina
                                                                  Is it a bad thing if I say I want the Yankees to win so baseball will finally be over?
                                                                  It's not necessarily a bad thing. But then, never again getting any points from your dear old dad isn't really a bad thing, I reckon.
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                                                                  • Beat up the book
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 08-21-08
                                                                    • 380

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by acarmelo1
                                                                    World Series Ends wednesday -185
                                                                    World Series Ends thursday +165

                                                                    Anyone know what site has this prop?
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                                                                    • zubzub
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 09-09-09
                                                                      • 714

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by acarmelo1
                                                                      Yankees will win on game 6. GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!
                                                                      Nice write-up carmelo!
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