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  • Joe Dogs
    SBR MVP
    • 07-20-09
    • 1931

    #1366
    Finally some kind of record in this thread......BOL EXhoosier10
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    • Formulawiz
      Restricted User
      • 01-12-09
      • 1589

      #1367
      ML system went 1-1 yesterday. Too bad SD dropped out, it was a winner.

      ML palys later today.
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      • EXhoosier10
        SBR MVP
        • 07-06-09
        • 3122

        #1368
        Originally posted by Formulawiz
        ML system went 1-1 yesterday. Too bad SD dropped out, it was a winner.

        ML palys later today.
        What kind of units did you lose? This thread is trash if you're giving out records and not units
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        • Joe Dogs
          SBR MVP
          • 07-20-09
          • 1931

          #1369
          Formulawiz what book or books do you use to come to a conclusion if a game is play or not.
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          • Formulawiz
            Restricted User
            • 01-12-09
            • 1589

            #1370
            Originally posted by EXhoosier10
            What kind of units did you lose? This thread is trash if you're giving out records and not units
            No one is asking to visit our thread. We do enough work here to bring everyone the plays and I think it should be your responsibility to calculate your own unit values.
            It would also be nice if you would add some input as how to improve this system rather then belittling what we do. But thanks for your intelligent comments anyway.
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            • Formulawiz
              Restricted User
              • 01-12-09
              • 1589

              #1371
              Originally posted by Joe Dogs
              Formulawiz what book or books do you use to come to a conclusion if a game is play or not.
              I look at the majority of offshore casinos found here on SBR.
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              • Formulawiz
                Restricted User
                • 01-12-09
                • 1589

                #1372
                Todays ML plays based on early lines.

                STL, CHC, SD, ARI?, CLE, TB, TEX
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                • HoulihansTX
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 02-12-09
                  • 30566

                  #1373
                  Formula,

                  Any idea why the Cubs always show up on the system?
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                  • Formulawiz
                    Restricted User
                    • 01-12-09
                    • 1589

                    #1374
                    Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                    Formula,

                    Any idea why the Cubs always show up on the system?
                    I am not sure but I thought we had a CIN play the other night Vs CUBS. It could be the CUBS at home have a very good record Vs CIN. Just guessing.
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                    • HoulihansTX
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 02-12-09
                      • 30566

                      #1375
                      Originally posted by Formulawiz
                      I am not sure but I thought we had a CIN play the other night Vs CUBS. It could be the CUBS at home have a very good record Vs CIN. Just guessing.
                      Cincy was a TPR play for games 1, and 2.

                      Though for game 1 Carlos Silva was a ML system play also. The Cubs are just a lethargic team, that can only be played in the correct spots for me.

                      Thanks for the response.
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                      • ShivaBowl
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 03-09-10
                        • 5133

                        #1376
                        TPR, 07/04/2010

                        Reds
                        Detroit
                        Philadelphia

                        TPR System, 07/01 to 07/04

                        07/01
                        N/P

                        07/02
                        1-0
                        Cin +128, W+128

                        07/03
                        0-1
                        Cin -114, L-114

                        07/04
                        1-2
                        Reds +116 ,W +116
                        Detroit +108, L-100
                        Philadelphia -136, L-136

                        Total -106.





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                        • EXhoosier10
                          SBR MVP
                          • 07-06-09
                          • 3122

                          #1377
                          Does anyone want to take up tracking the ML plays? I have an excel sheet that just simply needs to be refreshed daily around game time to get final lines for "official" plays. If nobody volunteers, I can do it myself.

                          Got it all figured out. All you have to do is click a few buttons to run the macros and then put in the W/L record and you can copy and paste the results and put them in here. Any takers?
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                          • EXhoosier10
                            SBR MVP
                            • 07-06-09
                            • 3122

                            #1378
                            for the ML system, Texas is still pending. Will update BB and PT later tonight.

                            Today's Winnings ($1.65)
                            Today's record 2-3 40%
                            TOTAL WINNINGS ($1.65)
                            TOTAL RECORD 2-3 40%
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                            • Formulawiz
                              Restricted User
                              • 01-12-09
                              • 1589

                              #1379
                              ML system went 1-1 yesterday.
                              Plays later today
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                              • Formulawiz
                                Restricted User
                                • 01-12-09
                                • 1589

                                #1380
                                ML plays based on early lines

                                MIL, PHI, CIN, CWS, TB, NYY
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                                • Formulawiz
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 01-12-09
                                  • 1589

                                  #1381
                                  By the way I noticed Sportrends came up with a new system. It may have been there for quite a while. I saw it yesterday and followed it and it went 5-2

                                  Here is the link

                                  Does anyone want to post these plays and win/loss records daily, it would be appreciated.

                                  Here are the plays the way I read it. If anyone interprets any differently let me know.

                                  SF, CHC, NYM, LAD, NYY
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                                  • ShivaBowl
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 03-09-10
                                    • 5133

                                    #1382
                                    Tpr 07/05

                                    Boston
                                    NYY
                                    KC


                                    Comp
                                    Take Philly W/Halladay
                                    over Atlanta W/Lowe NO PLAY if < -140 or > -175
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                                    • EXhoosier10
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-06-09
                                      • 3122

                                      #1383
                                      Originally posted by Formulawiz
                                      ML system went 1-1 yesterday.
                                      Plays later today
                                      Formula, can you help me figure out why some of these games weren't plays?
                                      I have:
                                      TEX - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (-125) - Actual line (-160) - Difference = -30...Loss
                                      StL - Streak (L1) - Proj Line (-130) - Actual Line (-155) - Difference = -25...Win
                                      ChC - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (120) - Actual Line (-125) - Difference = -45...Loss
                                      SF - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (130) - Actual Line (105) - Difference = -25...Loss
                                      ARI - Streak (L1) - Proj Line (110) - Actual Line (-115) - Difference = -25...Loss
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                                      • ShivaBowl
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 03-09-10
                                        • 5133

                                        #1384
                                        Originally posted by EXhoosier10
                                        Formula, can you help me figure out why some of these games weren't plays? I have: TEX - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (-125) - Actual line (-160) - Difference = -30...Loss StL - Streak (L1) - Proj Line (-130) - Actual Line (-155) - Difference = -25...Win ChC - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (120) - Actual Line (-125) - Difference = -45...Loss SF - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (130) - Actual Line (105) - Difference = -25...Loss ARI - Streak (L1) - Proj Line (110) - Actual Line (-115) - Difference = -25...Loss
                                        TEX n/p under -150 line -154 play loss
                                        STL n/p under -155 line -160 play win
                                        CHC n/p under -105 line -122 play loss

                                        Take a look at TEX Proj Line -125 +.25 = -150 n/p under <-150 the line was -160 play also remember n/p >175

                                        I don't have the ML sheet for yesterday, looking for it.
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                                        • EXhoosier10
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 07-06-09
                                          • 3122

                                          #1385
                                          when you say <-150, you mean -160 -170 etc?
                                          Because the website says for an example "EX: Houston's published ML - 170 and our ML -130, play is on Houston. If Boston's published ML is - 120 and our ML is - 150, play is on Boston's opponent."
                                          so that means
                                          HOU - Streak () - Proj Line (-130) - Actual line (-170) - Difference = -40... which is a play.

                                          BOS- Streak () - Proj Line (-150) - Actual Line (-120) - Difference = +30...Play on opponent. So their opponent would be OPP - Proj Line (150) - Actual line (120) - Difference = -30... Play on this team.

                                          Texas goes -125 to actual of -160. So that would be just like the houston example and the play would be on texas, and not as you say, a no play.

                                          Here is the ml sheet from yesterday.
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                                          • Formulawiz
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 01-12-09
                                            • 1589

                                            #1386
                                            Originally posted by EXhoosier10
                                            Formula, can you help me figure out why some of these games weren't plays?
                                            I have:
                                            TEX - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (-125) - Actual line (-160) - Difference = -30...Loss
                                            StL - Streak (L1) - Proj Line (-130) - Actual Line (-155) - Difference = -25...Win
                                            ChC - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (120) - Actual Line (-125) - Difference = -45...Loss
                                            SF - Streak (W1) - Proj Line (130) - Actual Line (105) - Difference = -25...Loss
                                            ARI - Streak (L1) - Proj Line (110) - Actual Line (-115) - Difference = -25...Loss

                                            As an Ex: a majority of the ML's on the TEX game dropped below -150. The same for the other games. Remember use the Lines 15 to 20 minutes prior to satrt of game, which is basically the closing line.


                                            By the way can you help with the new system plays and then keep the record. This way we have all 3 systems covered. You can call it any name you like. Thanks
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                                            • EXhoosier10
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 07-06-09
                                              • 3122

                                              #1387
                                              Originally posted by Formulawiz


                                              As an Ex: a majority of the ML's on the TEX game dropped below -150. The same for the other games. Remember use the Lines 15 to 20 minutes prior to satrt of game, which is basically the closing line.


                                              By the way can you help with the new system plays and then keep the record. This way we have all 3 systems covered. You can call it any name you like. Thanks
                                              Everything I see shoes Texas being at -160 10-15 minutes before gametime. Either way, I can't wait around on my computer 10 minutes before gametime and scrape lines. I'm using closing lines from statfox for tracking purposes. If anyone notices that my closing line is that much off from 10-15 minutes before gametime, then let me know and i'll change it, otherwise, for simplicity, I'm using statfox's numbers.

                                              And I don't feel like spending more time tracking systems formula. Sorry. Anyone else want to do it?
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                                              • Formulawiz
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 01-12-09
                                                • 1589

                                                #1388
                                                Originally posted by EXhoosier10
                                                Everything I see shoes Texas being at -160 10-15 minutes before gametime. Either way, I can't wait around on my computer 10 minutes before gametime and scrape lines. I'm using closing lines from statfox for tracking purposes. If anyone notices that my closing line is that much off from 10-15 minutes before gametime, then let me know and i'll change it, otherwise, for simplicity, I'm using statfox's numbers.

                                                And I don't feel like spending more time tracking systems formula. Sorry. Anyone else want to do it?
                                                Then I suggest you dont keep the units if your win/loss records are different then ours. Why dont you post the new system plays along with units and use our filters
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                                                • ShivaBowl
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 03-09-10
                                                  • 5133

                                                  #1389
                                                  Originally posted by EXhoosier10
                                                  when you say <-150, you mean -160 -170 etc? Because the website says for an example "EX: Houston's published ML - 170 and our ML -130, play is on Houston. If Boston's published ML is - 120 and our ML is - 150, play is on Boston's opponent." so that means HOU - Streak () - Proj Line (-130) - Actual line (-170) - Difference = -40... which is a play. BOS- Streak () - Proj Line (-150) - Actual Line (-120) - Difference = +30...Play on opponent. So their opponent would be OPP - Proj Line (150) - Actual line (120) - Difference = -30... Play on this team. Texas goes -125 to actual of -160. So that would be just like the houston example and the play would be on texas, and not as you say, a no play. Here is the ml sheet from yesterday.
                                                  No I mean < under -150
                                                  < > are math symbols ( < under ) ( > over ) Taxes was a play last night and a loser -154
                                                  If the line had dropped to Texas -125 the play would have been on the CWS. If the line droped below <-150 no play on Taxes, or CWS

                                                  In this system I use (> as north) and (< as south) or up to and down to.

                                                  Lets just but it this way Play on Mets up to -175 or no play north > of -175
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                                                  • Formulawiz
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 01-12-09
                                                    • 1589

                                                    #1390
                                                    Originally posted by ShivaBowl
                                                    No I mean < under -150
                                                    < > are math symbols ( < under ) ( > over ) Taxes was a play last night and a loser -154
                                                    If the line had dropped to Texas -125 the play would have been on the CWS. If the line droped below <-150 no play on Taxes, or CWS

                                                    In this system I use (> as north) and (< as south) or up to and down to.

                                                    Lets just but this way Play on Mets up to -175 or no play north > of -175
                                                    The play is on CIN and not the NYM tonight as long as the CIN is not > -135
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                                                    • ShivaBowl
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 03-09-10
                                                      • 5133

                                                      #1391
                                                      Originally posted by Formulawiz
                                                      The play is on CIN and not the NYM tonight as long as the CIN is not > -135

                                                      I was using the Mets as en example of <> not for a play tonight.
                                                      I pulled the Mets out of my hat.

                                                      EXhoosier10
                                                      when you say <-150, you mean -160 -170 etc?
                                                      Because the website says for an example "EX: Houston's published ML - 170 and our ML -130, play is on Houston. If Boston's published ML is - 120 and our ML is - 150, play is on Boston's opponent."
                                                      so that means
                                                      HOU - Streak () - Proj Line (-130) - Actual line (-170) - Difference = -40... which is a play.

                                                      BOS- Streak () - Proj Line (-150) - Actual Line (-120) - Difference = +30...Play on opponent. So their opponent would be OPP - Proj Line (150) - Actual line (120) - Difference = -30... Play on this team.

                                                      Texas goes -125 to actual of -160. So that would be just like the houston example and the play would be on texas, and not as you say, a no play.

                                                      Here is the ml sheet from yesterday.

                                                      Shiva,
                                                      No I mean < under -150
                                                      < > are math symbols ( < under ) ( > over ) Taxes was a play last night and a loser -154
                                                      If the line had dropped to Texas -125 the play would have been on the CWS. If the line droped below <-150 no play on Taxes, or CWS

                                                      In this system I use (> as north) and (< as south) or up to and down to.


                                                      Lets just but it this way
                                                      Play on Mets or any Team up to -175 or no play north > of -175
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                                                      • ShivaBowl
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 03-09-10
                                                        • 5133

                                                        #1392
                                                        Originally Posted by Formulawiz
                                                        As an Ex: a majority of the ML's on the TEX game dropped below -150. The same for the other games. Remember use the Lines 15 to 20 minutes prior to satrt of game, which is basically the closing line.
                                                        By the way can you help with the new system plays and then keep the record. This way we have all 3 systems covered. You can call it any name you like. Thanks

                                                        Shiva,
                                                        I checked the line on Taxes over 100 times or more and at 10 or more books hoping to find a line making it a no play and couldn't, only because I liked, the CWS last night and went down with Taxes -154.
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                                                        • ShivaBowl
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 03-09-10
                                                          • 5133

                                                          #1393
                                                          ML Plays for SUNDAY 07/04
                                                          STL WIN
                                                          TEXAS LOSS
                                                          CUBS LOSS
                                                          SDG NO PLAY
                                                          CLE NO PLAY
                                                          TAM NO PLAY
                                                          ARI NO PLAY
                                                          1-2
                                                          Are we all on the same page.
                                                          GL
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                                                          • ShivaBowl
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 03-09-10
                                                            • 5133

                                                            #1394
                                                            Originally posted by Formulawiz
                                                            By the way I noticed Sportrends came up with a new system. It may have been there for quite a while. I saw it yesterday and followed it and it went 5-2 Here is the link Does anyone want to post these plays and win/loss records daily, it would be appreciated. Here are the plays the way I read it. If anyone interprets any differently let me know. SF, CHC, NYM, LAD, NYY
                                                            I check the website everyday and this is the first time that I have seen this.
                                                            It looks good at first glance, I have seen a big value on bullpens this year
                                                            and pitching the steroids ere is over.
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                                                            • Formulawiz
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 01-12-09
                                                              • 1589

                                                              #1395
                                                              Originally posted by ShivaBowl
                                                              I was using the Mets as en example of <> not for a play tonight.
                                                              I pulled the Mets out of my hat.

                                                              EXhoosier10
                                                              when you say <-150, you mean -160 -170 etc?
                                                              Because the website says for an example "EX: Houston's published ML - 170 and our ML -130, play is on Houston. If Boston's published ML is - 120 and our ML is - 150, play is on Boston's opponent."
                                                              so that means
                                                              HOU - Streak () - Proj Line (-130) - Actual line (-170) - Difference = -40... which is a play.

                                                              BOS- Streak () - Proj Line (-150) - Actual Line (-120) - Difference = +30...Play on opponent. So their opponent would be OPP - Proj Line (150) - Actual line (120) - Difference = -30... Play on this team.

                                                              Texas goes -125 to actual of -160. So that would be just like the houston example and the play would be on texas, and not as you say, a no play.

                                                              Here is the ml sheet from yesterday.

                                                              Shiva,
                                                              No I mean < under -150
                                                              < > are math symbols ( < under ) ( > over ) Taxes was a play last night and a loser -154
                                                              If the line had dropped to Texas -125 the play would have been on the CWS. If the line droped below <-150 no play on Taxes, or CWS

                                                              In this system I use (> as north) and (< as south) or up to and down to.

                                                              Lets just but it this way Play on Mets or any Team up to -175 or no play north > of -175
                                                              < and > are mathematical signs meaning less then or more then.
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                                                              • EXhoosier10
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 07-06-09
                                                                • 3122

                                                                #1396
                                                                I agree that those were the plays but I also have SF. All lines but pinnacle were at +105 at close. Nowhere on the ML website did it say to take lines 10-15 minutes before closing. Also, ARI is all <-125 (less than, meaning more negative, meaning -125, -130). How are these not plays?

                                                                For 7/5, these are my final plays
                                                                Chi. White Sox -150
                                                                Tampa Bay -165
                                                                NY Yankees -145
                                                                Kansas City 190
                                                                Milwaukee -110
                                                                Care to disagree anyone?
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                                                                • ShivaBowl
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 03-09-10
                                                                  • 5133

                                                                  #1397
                                                                  Originally posted by EXhoosier10
                                                                  I agree that those were the plays but I also have SF. All lines but pinnacle were at +105 at close. Nowhere on the ML website did it say to take lines 10-15 minutes before closing.

                                                                  For 7/5, these are my final plays
                                                                  Chi. White Sox -150
                                                                  Tampa Bay -165
                                                                  NY Yankees -145
                                                                  Kansas City 190
                                                                  Milwaukee -110
                                                                  Care to disagree anyone?

                                                                  PHI drooped out >-175
                                                                  < and > are mathematical signs meaning less then or more then.

                                                                  Rules for making selections
                                                                  Plays must be entered 10-15 minutes prior to start of games to let lines settle out.

                                                                  Do not play games that fall outside our Line parameters.

                                                                  Opinion Plays, Do Not count toward our win/loss records.

                                                                  MLB we use closing lines calculate our Win/Loss Records.

                                                                  Baseball drop game if specified pitcher does not start.

                                                                  Projected Money Line System
                                                                  • When comparing our projected money lines to the oddsmaker's posted lines there needs to be at least a 25-cent differential or overlay in which the oddsmakers ML's are moving in the opposite direction to our lines.
                                                                  • Make sure each pitcher has pitched at least 20 innings.
                                                                  • Never bet on a team favorite in which you must lay over -175.
                                                                  • Never bet on teams that are on a 2 game or more losing streak.
                                                                  • Never bet against a team on a 2 game winning streak or more.
                                                                  • Try to stay away from teams traveling long distances in their first game.
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                                                                  • EXhoosier10
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 07-06-09
                                                                    • 3122

                                                                    #1398
                                                                    Originally posted by ShivaBowl

                                                                    Rules for making selections
                                                                    Plays must be entered 10-15 minutes prior to start of games to let lines settle out.

                                                                    Do not play games that fall outside our Line parameters.

                                                                    Opinion Plays, Do Not count toward our win/loss records.

                                                                    MLB we use closing lines calculate our Win/Loss Records.

                                                                    [CENTER][CENTER]Baseball drop game if specified pitcher does not start.
                                                                    Where are you getting this set of rules? FOR THE RECORD, I AM MAKING THESE MONEY LINE SELECTIONS BASED ON CLOSING LINE NUMBERS. I dont have the resources to find the lines 15 minutes prior to game time and quickly import them into excel for tracking, so closing numbers are what we will use. if the system shows a loss because it makes 20 poor selections, throughout half of the season (assuming it goes 10-10 or hits at worst 40%), then the system isn't really worth the effort since it cant net you +10 units. So if anyone wants to keep a running tally of the games themselves with 10-15 second lines and keep said tally for the entire season, with updated record and unit count, then by all means, go for it. But if you are only going to post records, I'm going to continue posting these plays for people who are trying out these systems and want to see how they are faring.
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                                                                    • ShivaBowl
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 03-09-10
                                                                      • 5133

                                                                      #1399
                                                                      xxx
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                                                                      • Formulawiz
                                                                        Restricted User
                                                                        • 01-12-09
                                                                        • 1589

                                                                        #1400
                                                                        ML system went 3-0 yesterday. There seems to be alot of confusion. These are yesterdays plays. I would appreciate if you guys would let me post the win/loss records. I use the closing lines found the next morning which are always the lines 15-20 minutes before the games start.

                                                                        CWS, TB, NYY.

                                                                        Secondly the new system went 3-1 yesterday. As a matter of fact I called sportrends yesterday to find out when this system was posted and they told me a few weeks ago. They also indicated the system was on fire. I also asked about the CIN game which had a change of pitching and they indicated CIN was a play which was another winner.

                                                                        I am asking if one of you guys would help out posting the new system plays
                                                                        I will list them today along with the ML plays.
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