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  • fitguy67
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 03-13-11
    • 5082

    #1296
    as to the ubiquity of all manner of non-textbook/un-"professional" behavior, look at the book Freakonomics...proves that it's commonplace, not just among atheletes (great early chapter on Sumo-wrestling), but teachers, real-estate agents etc. etc...all kinds of motivations/reasons/rationalizations/excuses why people, even (especially??) the rich (who we think need not resort to it) constantly bend the rules--while propogating the myth that the ethics of their profession mean they would NEVER do so...

    sports used to be all about fair competion (you know...what the word "sport" means)...now it's increasingly marketed AND produced as part of the "entertainment" industry...

    nowhere is this more apparent than in NBA where, as HBJ pointed out--teams can't be trying to win "tooth and nail" if they regularly turn off something they'd constantly be attending to...defence...if winning/competition REALLY was the highest priority. Instead, they spend most of there time in "razzle dazzle" mode. It's obvious that there is a collective responsibility of the league to "entertain" us, to keep us lapping up the full spectrum of their "product". So they actively cultivate "story arcs" and "good guy/bad guy" angles are constantly being doled out to/thru the media.

    But NBA goes way beyond this in annoyance...and here it's joined with that other most-American of sports, NFL...to become increasingly "contentious/disputational/knit-picky", increasingly reliant on the video-review of the game in progress...sacrificing all natural "flow" that is still enjoyed in hockey/rugby/soccer...and replacing it with an annoying succession of play stoppages, ostensibly to "ensure we get the call right" ...AND of course, to just have television commercials that are sold out just as space in magazines...

    oh yeah...the knit-picky/contentious/legalistic nature of it all is magnified constantly with "new rules" (always with some apparently-positive motivation such as to "protect the players", and my favorite "to speed the game up" ) that almost never accomplish the stated objective, but ALWAYS make it harder to officiate...and the games are hard enough to officiate already (the line between an "offensive foul"=charge/"defensive foul"/"no whistle" ON THE SAME PLAY in basketball is extremely fine...and, in "foot"ball, the continually evolving rules of what constitutes the crucial call of "pass interference" would overwhelm a law professor)...the officials' role in determining who ultimately is declared the winner in a contest is increasing greatly in importance and fans of the "sport" spend increasingly more time criticizing the officiating than the play itself

    (hmmmm....you know how in WWEntertaiment, the referee never sees the folded chair or the concealed weapon...and how their apparent mistake leads to an "unfair result" that we want to see corrected in the next game/even...that we're willing to pay more for...)

    Marillion, i remember you saying once how in soccer, "playing up to" the referees for cards/penalties is ruining the game (and i agree)...in American team sports the problem is the whole "sports entertainment industry"(including, of course, the media who present it to the public)...is relentlessly "playing down to" society's need to be entertained/willingness to pay for it...and taking the very sport out of sport in the process...entertaining us with sport skill, yes, but increasingly with contrived controversy...to keep backers/bettors bitching and bickering (while buying more tickets) while the entertainers and producers laugh all the way to the bank...nowhere do i see this whole process come into play more blatantly and annoyingly than in the final few minutes of an NBE (that's not a typo!) game
    Last edited by fitguy67; 05-17-14, 10:11 AM.
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    • Marillion
      SBR MVP
      • 01-06-14
      • 1453

      #1297
      Originally posted by fitguy67
      sports used to be all about fair competion (you know...what the word "sport" means)...now it's increasingly marketed AND produced as part of the "entertainment" industry...
      Thanks both honeybadger and fitguy for the reply... In that "The Fix" book, there were some interesting details (and they were just roughly based on detailed descriptions stated in other books/research papers from the Oxford university library) about fixed games (soccer but also some baseball game, I think it was a final in the USA or something like that) that were decades ago. The baseball game was in the 1910s, I think. Funny thing is both we (more avid bettors/sport followers) and more "casual" fans/public have to at least some extent that notion of "sports used to be about fairness, now the entertainment industry/betting mafia has ruined them" but fixes seem to have a long history.
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      • Hardcoar
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-17-13
        • 15606

        #1298
        Crash and burn.

        Tough luck in recent times.
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        • Hardcoar
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-17-13
          • 15606

          #1299
          Kokkinakis @ 3.91 – 2 units (Pinnacle)
          Kokkinakis 1:st @ 3.34 – 2 units (Pinnacle)
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          • CindyCryBaby
            SBR Sharp
            • 07-16-10
            • 303

            #1300
            Originally posted by Hardcoar
            Crash and burn.

            Tough luck in recent times.
            You'll get it back. Ivanovic/Williams over worth a couple units today.
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            • Hardcoar
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-17-13
              • 15606

              #1301
              I'm not convinced enough to play anything on that match at this time. Good luck with your bets though!
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              • CindyCryBaby
                SBR Sharp
                • 07-16-10
                • 303

                #1302
                Originally posted by Hardcoar
                I'm not convinced enough to play anything on that match at this time. Good luck with your bets though!
                Scoreline doesn't show it, but Serena struggled a little bit with Zhang. These courts are not helping Serena's serve, and she's been spraying a lot of balls. Ivanovic and the over has some value to me.
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                • parexa
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 01-21-10
                  • 354

                  #1303
                  Originally posted by CindyCryBaby
                  Scoreline doesn't show it, but Serena struggled a little bit with Zhang. These courts are not helping Serena's serve, and she's been spraying a lot of balls. Ivanovic and the over has some value to me.
                  when did she struggle lol?
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                  • Hardcoar
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 02-17-13
                    • 15606

                    #1304
                    Nadal 2-1 @ 3.98 – 4 units (Pinnacle)
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                    • Hardcoar
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 02-17-13
                      • 15606

                      #1305
                      By the way, if anyone actually watched JJ blow my cash today please give me a briefing, as I was unable to watch the match.
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                      • fitguy67
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 03-13-11
                        • 5082

                        #1306
                        Cindy i wouldn't respond...plenty of 13-year-olds around this place
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                        • kenz
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-09-12
                          • 4879

                          #1307
                          Originally posted by Hardcoar
                          By the way, if anyone actually watched JJ blow my cash today please give me a briefing, as I was unable to watch the match.
                          Tight game but Errani played more clever (actually very clever for a WTA player) and calmer. Constructed points better. JJ was not bad, could win. But was kinda stressed throughout the game and made more ues
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                          • frugalgambler
                            SBR MVP
                            • 05-30-13
                            • 3418

                            #1308
                            Some funny reading in the morn. I am just curious: if you think matches are fixed why are you even bothering to bet on them or even watch ? As to NBA fixing the games, nothing in this year's playoffs points in any fixes in the direction that would be good for the league. NBA has issues with refereeing, namely the refs have little or no incentive to get better b/c their are set for life and receive little monitoring from the league in their preparation. But that does not mean that sh.t is fixed. What is ubiquitous though is the presence of douches who cry fix every time they lose their bets, especially in soccer and NBA subfora.

                            I told you HC to be careful with Errani, but I am sure you'll get it back soon.
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                            • brodie
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-25-13
                              • 2212

                              #1309
                              Originally posted by frugalgambler
                              Some funny reading in the morn. I am just curious: if you think matches are fixed why are you even bothering to bet on them or even watch ? As to NBA fixing the games, nothing in this year's playoffs points in any fixes in the direction that would be good for the league. NBA has issues with refereeing, namely the refs have little or no incentive to get better b/c their are set for life and receive little monitoring from the league in their preparation. But that does not mean that sh.t is fixed. What is ubiquitous though is the presence of douches who cry fix every time they lose their bets, especially in soccer and NBA subfora.

                              I told you HC to be careful with Errani, but I am sure you'll get it back soon.
                              i dont think you know what you're talking about
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                              • bababooey13
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-13-13
                                • 1897

                                #1310
                                Originally posted by frugalgambler
                                Some funny reading in the morn. I am just curious: if you think matches are fixed why are you even bothering to bet on them or even watch ? As to NBA fixing the games, nothing in this year's playoffs points in any fixes in the direction that would be good for the league. NBA has issues with refereeing, namely the refs have little or no incentive to get better b/c their are set for life and receive little monitoring from the league in their preparation. But that does not mean that sh.t is fixed. What is ubiquitous though is the presence of douches who cry fix every time they lose their bets, especially in soccer and NBA subfora.

                                I told you HC to be careful with Errani, but I am sure you'll get it back soon.
                                lol what have you been watching? so much riggy bullshit in this year's playoffs. every series went 7 last round, except 1. so much riggy shit this year i can't even count. you can't prove the nba isn't fixed 100% , i can prove it is. donaghy. kings/lakers 2002. miller getting ejected after MJ rakes his face and punches him in the head. the list goes on and on and on and on.
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                                • Hardcoar
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-17-13
                                  • 15606

                                  #1311
                                  J. Wang @ 2.19 – 4 units (Pinnacle)

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                                  • Hardcoar
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 02-17-13
                                    • 15606

                                    #1312
                                    Q Wang @ 2.01 – 3 units (Pinnacle)
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                                    • JC1186
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 02-21-14
                                      • 1070

                                      #1313
                                      Originally posted by Hardcoar
                                      J. Wang @ 2.19 – 4 units (Pinnacle)

                                      If you haven't placed it yet I'd advise against it.

                                      I've found Soeda has often been overrated by the market over the past 18 months or so. I've enjoyed backing against him.

                                      But this week in Busan he's been playing well above his norm. I've caught a couple matches. Some genuinely really good ball striking.

                                      Hardly see why you'd put 4 units on Jimmy. Particularly given Soeda beat him in straight sets just over a fortnight a go. Seems like a matt bet to me. I.e "seems like a 50/50 so I'll take the value".

                                      That's not smart imo.
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                                      • Hardcoar
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-17-13
                                        • 15606

                                        #1314
                                        It's based more on recent results (in sets and games) than watching their last matches. This surface should favor Wang and the odds are what they are in part due to the loss in their latest meeting a few weeks ago. I have to give Wang the edge here.

                                        I always place my bets before posting. I appreciate your input though!
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                                        • JC1186
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 02-21-14
                                          • 1070

                                          #1315
                                          Originally posted by Hardcoar
                                          It's based more on recent results (in sets and games) than watching their last matches. This surface should favor Wang and the odds are what they are in part due to the loss in their latest meeting a few weeks ago. I have to give Wang the edge here.

                                          I always place my bets before posting. I appreciate your input though!
                                          Fair enough. Yeah one of those match ups where I have an opinion so thought I'd share it.

                                          Anyway good luck. I think the first set will be really important with these two.
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                                          • Hardcoar
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 02-17-13
                                            • 15606

                                            #1316
                                            It's the day of the Wang brah!
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                                            • CindyCryBaby
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 07-16-10
                                              • 303

                                              #1317
                                              Originally posted by Hardcoar
                                              It's the day of the Wang brah!
                                              I didn't know you liked wang so much? I should have suspected based on your avatar.
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                                              • BAY HORSE
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 05-04-14
                                                • 20

                                                #1318
                                                Sure, wangs are lucky. Kinda like errani's undescended testicle. You find power wherever you can get it, all warriors know this.
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                                                • hendrafirmanto
                                                  SBR Hustler
                                                  • 04-09-14
                                                  • 81

                                                  #1319
                                                  J. Wang @ 2.19 – 4 units (Pinnacle)
                                                  You can easily get better odds since the whole world think Soeda will win, tailing J.Wang 2.42.
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                                                  • JC1186
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 02-21-14
                                                    • 1070

                                                    #1320
                                                    Originally posted by Hardcoar
                                                    It's the day of the Wang brah!
                                                    If it comes out congrats! But you'd have to be pissed missing out on an extra 46.22% (or $220 assuming your units are $100).

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                                                    • matt1216
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 10-27-11
                                                      • 14683

                                                      #1321
                                                      Originally posted by JC1186
                                                      If you haven't placed it yet I'd advise against it.

                                                      I've found Soeda has often been overrated by the market over the past 18 months or so. I've enjoyed backing against him.

                                                      But this week in Busan he's been playing well above his norm. I've caught a couple matches. Some genuinely really good ball striking.

                                                      Hardly see why you'd put 4 units on Jimmy. Particularly given Soeda beat him in straight sets just over a fortnight a go. Seems like a matt bet to me. I.e "seems like a 50/50 so I'll take the value".

                                                      That's not smart imo.
                                                      I appreciate you thinking about me JC1186!
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                                                      • JC1186
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 02-21-14
                                                        • 1070

                                                        #1322
                                                        Well I have to admit I didn't like HC's bet. However with an increase of almost 50% I'll bite.

                                                        Have gone with first set winner. I think Jimmy Wang will more than likely need to take the first set to win the match. So that's where my attention is.

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                                                        • hendrafirmanto
                                                          SBR Hustler
                                                          • 04-09-14
                                                          • 81

                                                          #1323
                                                          I should wait little bit more , wang's odd now are on 2.76
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                                                          • JC1186
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 02-21-14
                                                            • 1070

                                                            #1324
                                                            This goes completely against what I've seen this week. Which is Soeda being a league above.

                                                            Stupid odds better not have suckered me into a losing bet.

                                                            Starting in 5. Bring it Jimmmmmmmy.

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                                                            • matt1216
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 10-27-11
                                                              • 14683

                                                              #1325
                                                              good luck to us!
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                                                              • JC1186
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 02-21-14
                                                                • 1070

                                                                #1326
                                                                Well he looks like total shit in the first set. Soeda, without exaggerating, a class above.

                                                                Hopefully he comes back for you folk in the second.
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                                                                • matt1216
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 10-27-11
                                                                  • 14683

                                                                  #1327
                                                                  Originally posted by JC1186
                                                                  Well he looks like total shit in the first set. Soeda, without exaggerating, a class above.

                                                                  Hopefully he comes back for you folk in the second.
                                                                  Damn, I had to try, oh well.
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                                                                  • JC1186
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 02-21-14
                                                                    • 1070

                                                                    #1328
                                                                    Originally posted by matt1216
                                                                    Damn, I had to try, oh well.
                                                                    I see we were on the same bet haha. Interesting.

                                                                    I definitely feel like a mug recommending not to take Wang, and then backing him myself. Anyway don't see a way back from him but this is a final and weirder collapses have happened.

                                                                    Moving on. Time to study tonight's qualifying matches.

                                                                    *Edit. Looking like a third set. Hope Wangs wins. Firstly for the fellas on him. Secondly because my bet would have been Soeda -2.5.
                                                                    Last edited by JC1186; 05-18-14, 01:12 AM.
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                                                                    • matt1216
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 10-27-11
                                                                      • 14683

                                                                      #1329
                                                                      Originally posted by JC1186
                                                                      I see we were on the same bet haha. Interesting.

                                                                      I definitely feel like a mug recommending not to take Wang, and then backing him myself. Anyway don't see a way back from him but this is a final and weirder collapses have happened.

                                                                      Moving on. Time to study tonight's qualifying matches.

                                                                      *Edit. Looking like a third set. Hope Wangs wins. Firstly for the fellas on him. Secondly because my bet would have been Soeda -2.5.
                                                                      Ive seen Soeda collapse hard befor, we shall see. I fcked up in my thread there, the trend was for the full match not the first set, I doubt wang comes back but I went against my own call as well . I hate ghat
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                                                                      • Hardcoar
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 02-17-13
                                                                        • 15606

                                                                        #1330
                                                                        Lucic-Baroni @ 1.961 – 3 units (Pinnacle)
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