Jerzy line plummeting

[mrlif1]

I know there is always discussion about line movement and what exactly it means. Janowicz got up to -260 yesterday (line opened at -190), and just this morning has dropped down to -170! I want to believe this is just head games, but does anyone have a theory?

[Hardcoar]

Seriously. Why do you people say "falling" when a line is rising. If a line goes from -300 to -200 it has risen: (-200)>(-300). What's the sense in that?

Then again crazy American odds are retarded to begin with I suppose...

[mrlif1]

i had to risk 260 to win 100. now (the line is -160) i only have to risk 160 to win 100. hence the plummeting. don't think i said "falling." I dug deep in my thesaurus. But thanks for the contribution Hardcoar!

[joco]

i disagree hardcoar...if the odds go from -300 to -200 they went down...ur foregin odds dont make sense to me either

[Hardcoar]

You think -200 isn't a greater number than -300?

Wow...

[Hardcoar]

The point is that if a number increases by 100 – from -300 to -200 – it hasn't plummeted; it has risen.

Go figure!

[Hardcoar]

i had to risk 260 to win 100. now (the line is -160) i only have to risk 160 to win 100. hence the plummeting. don't think i said "falling." I dug deep in my thesaurus. But thanks for the contribution Hardcoar!

That's not the line plummeting, that's your stakes to win 100 plummeting. It's the opposite...

[mrlif1]

hilarious...whatever you say el jefe, and again, thanks for the insight!

[dk70]

The point is that if a number increases by 100 – from -300 to -200 – it hasn't plummeted; it has risen.

Go figure!

Math is hard.

[joco]

You think -200 isn't a greater number than -300?

Wow...

obviously -200 is a better number than -300 but thats the line going down from our prespective...the ratio of what ur wagering : to potentially winning has increased/risen but the line has fallen...

[Hardcoar]

Math is hard.

Quite so!

[juuso]

Decimals are way better imho too, but basic math shouldn't be too hard with American lines.

Key here is - negative line. Line is dropping when negative value increases. It's the other way around for + lines.

[MagicDiceFlow]

It's because this is the first match for Jerzy on hardcourts since the clay season and people are pounding on the transition. Steam chasers ate the dust on Kohlschreiber yesterday when the line moved over .90 cents ....I had Paire and stuck to my guns. Paire still ended up winning.

[ohumad]

Decimals are way better imho too, but basic math shouldn't be too hard with American lines.

Key here is - negative line. Line is dropping when negative value increases. It's the other way around for + lines.

A few people in this thread view it the other way. Are they misinformed or do most people who use American odds view it this way?

[juuso]

A few people in this thread view it the other way. Are they misinformed or do most people who use American odds view it this way?

Well, it can be viewed many ways, but basically what I said is mathematically correct. Good analogy is temperature. temperature is dropping when negative value increases.

[ohumad]

Well, it can be viewed many ways, but basically what I said is mathematically correct. Good analogy is temperature. temperature is dropping when negative value increases.

Yes I agree but have the masses been deceived!?

[juuso]

Yes I agree but have the masses been deceived!?

Could be. I don't know for sure how many view it the other way, but US odd might be the culprit if that's more common. It shouldn't matter too much if they still know their stuff and can pick some valuable numbers.

[RichardGeorge]

It's because this is the first match for Jerzy on hardcourts since the clay season and people are pounding on the transition. Steam chasers ate the dust on Kohlschreiber yesterday when the line moved over .90 cents ....I had Paire and stuck to my guns. Paire still ended up winning.

Or because Jerzy is dealing with an injury... can't believe people look at you like you are a tennis god, and yet you fail to mention that key aspect.

Just like there was a suspicion of Paire injury yesterday, which was the reason the line went down.

[mrlif1]

the line DROPPED but it makes no difference! I had concerns about the FALLEN price, but those were just stress-fueled. Turns out the NEGATIVE line movement doesn't necessarily mean something is up! looking forward to future DECREASES, or DIPS, or DECLIVITIES!!!!

[MagicDiceFlow]

Or because Jerzy is dealing with an injury... can't believe people look at you like you are a tennis god, and yet you fail to mention that key aspect.

Just like there was a suspicion of Paire injury yesterday, which was the reason the line went down.

Suspicions of injuries are for noobs like you to read into. Most of the time, players complain about injuries just to soften a blow when they lose. Players do it all the time with no injuries at all. I don't mention it here because I don't want to throw off anyone. Savvy bettors know what to do.
Once again, major steam chasers got burned .....Benny retires.

[Hardcoar]

What?

He lost 4-6 3:rd.

[Hardcoar]

the line DROPPED but it makes no difference! I had concerns about the FALLEN price, but those were just stress-fueled. Turns out the NEGATIVE line movement doesn't necessarily mean something is up! looking forward to future DECREASES, or DIPS, or DECLIVITIES!!!!

Kid still don't get it.

[mrlif1]

its six in one hand, half dozen in the other...but busting your chops is too easy mr. last word.

[mrlif1]

[Tmuston Beltics]

It's easy to get the decimal out off american odds. If the american odds are -700 for instance and you want to know what's the corresponding one in decimals, all you have to do is divide 100 by 700 and add 1.0 to what you get. In this case 100/700 is 0.1428 + 1 =1.1428.

[RichardGeorge]

Suspicions of injuries are for noobs like you to read into. Most of the time, players complain about injuries just to soften a blow when they lose. Players do it all the time with no injuries at all. I don't mention it here because I don't want to throw off anyone. Savvy bettors know what to do.
Once again, major steam chasers got burned .....Benny retires.

When did he retire, moron?

And the suspected injury is why the line moved whether you agree with it or not.

[Rossco]

Going with Hard core on this. Odds plummeting or dropping means getting shorter or lower in the "odds" of him/her winning. If you hear about a team being at massive odds to win its a big number. American odds are pretty out dated. Who cares how much you need to put on to make 100? It should be how much do I get back if I put "X" amount on. Decimal is the easiest way to calculate this.

[mrlif1]

who cares? americans arent converting to decimal, vegas isnt in decimal, so what gives? funny funny stuff though. helping me pass the time at work for sure.

[mrlif1]

i wear a size 12 shoe as well. my car tells me how fast i go in MILES per hour....seriously, who the fukk wants to harp on this shi.t

[MagicDiceFlow]

When did he retire, moron?

And the suspected injury is why the line moved whether you agree with it or not.

Benny retired mentally those last two games. Why would I want to mention a non factor injury to throw off or scare anyone? Unlike you, I try to help people here.....not troll them like you and come in here intermittently to chime in when people lose.

SBR doesnt need people like you.

[Hardcoar]

its six in one hand, half dozen in the other...but busting your chops is too easy mr. last word.

[Hardcoar]

It's easy to get the decimal out off american odds. If the american odds are -700 for instance and you want to know what's the corresponding one in decimals, all you have to do is divide 100 by 700 and add 1.0 to what you get. In this case 100/700 is 0.1428 + 1 =1.1428.

Kid gets it!

[Fistula]

I otherwise think decimal odds are simple. But aren't American odds a definite advantage if you want to bet to win a specific amount on a favourite, rather than decimal odds which have both the stakes and the amount to win included in the odds?

[Hardcoar]

Unless you're wagering with a book that has such an option, yes.

[matt1216]

When did he retire, moron?

And the suspected injury is why the line moved whether you agree with it or not.

Sounds like you were on Benny? Lol.