Hey 1Lice, still think any press is good press?

**1Vice George** · 08-11-12, 04:22 PM

Wow Prince some harsh words. Unfortunately you cant find one valid payout complaint and we treat our clients like gold. I wish you the best.

**princecharles** · 08-11-12, 09:03 PM

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**princecharles** · 08-11-12, 09:04 PM

google: robbie M c p h a i l scam

(SBR automatically blocks this last name from being posted, so it has spaces added to show up).

**1Vice George** · 08-11-12, 09:38 PM

Do a search for bet33 at the SBR. All players were paid and that was like 10 years ago. Find one player that was stiffed by APPEX and the funds were never returned and Ill send you a W U for $500.

**princecharles** · 08-11-12, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by 1Vice George

Do a search for bet33 at the SBR. All players were paid and that was like 10 years ago. Find one player that was stiffed by APPEX and the funds were never returned and Ill send you a W U for $500.

Robbie,
You have the balls to call John a liar?
Either Liar or not.
Didn't think so.

posted 8-11-2012 at 6:38 pm Eastern Time by:

SBR_John

I would simply advise potential clients to watch the Sweeper video, listen to Vice Sportsbook telling a potential customer Fvvck the hell off, and hangs up on him. Now imagine you have a little issue with a rollover and have to talk to this goodfella wannabe?

Read this thread and others and ask yourself why a book would be in here hawking away and avoiding questions of their past? What book has nothing better to do on a Saturday than have nearly their entire management/ownership posting at SBR? There was a poster two days ago that hit a $120,000 parlay at Bookmaker. If you hit that at vice they would pack up and move on and everyone knows it. So if you want to be a goodfellas type and need the action rush that comes with seeing your book has made it another day then vice is good. If you want to play and not worry about getting paid even if you go on the roll of a lifetime then stay with an A rated book.

**PharaohUB** · 08-11-12, 10:05 PM

I made a $200 deposit with this book. I built it up to $5k and they paid me. Booted me, but paid me. For guys who want to post up a few hundred this book is fine. They will show you the doors before you make enough money to break them.

**1Vice George** · 08-12-12, 12:01 AM

First of all Im not Robbie. This is George and Robbie is one of our financial backers. John has every right to protect his forum since this is a business but I`ll post the review for you and you can figure out the rest.

Bet33 Sportsbook upgraded to C-

By: SBR | Saturday, November 5, 2011

Bet33 Sportsbook (SBR rating C-) has made a number of improvements in the last six months. Bet33 has been open to discussing player disputes with SBR, shown the ability to effectively perform risk management and has revamped their business model.

Bet33 is a recreational sportsbook where professional players will quickly make the realization that they are unwelcome - the sportsbook is active in marketing and has made strides to improve their image in light of the negative press shouldered due to ownerships previous involvement with Apex Sportsbook (SBR rating F). Bet33 has taken care of old Apex debts that it argues were recorded after ownership departed the now defunct sportsbook. On April 26th, SBR reported that Bet33 paid an Apex player with a six-year old payment claim.

Bet33 has not had a meaningful dispute submitted against them in the past six months - the most recent news was a player confirming a $3,000 payment in June of this year.

Bet33 players are not believed to be in danger of being stiffed, though SBR will continue to evaluate the sportsbook's standing and monitor any incoming sportsbook disputes.

Bet33's sportsbook rating has been upgraded to C-. Bet33 players with feedback are free to write SBR directly, or sound off in the SBR Sportsbook & Industry forum.

BET33 RECENT NEWS

Bet33 payment report

On June 28th, SBR reported that a Bet33 player reported payment.

A Bet33 player told SBR that following a $500 deposit, he increased his balance to $5,000 after making 40 MLB picks. On June 27th, the player confirmed to SBR that he requested and was paid a $3,000 withdrawal via a cash payment method.

Originally posted by princecharles

Robbie,
You have the balls to call John a liar?
Either Liar or not.
Didn't think so.

posted 8-11-2012 at 6:38 pm Eastern Time by:

SBR_John

I would simply advise potential clients to watch the Sweeper video, listen to Vice Sportsbook telling a potential customer Fvvck the hell off, and hangs up on him. Now imagine you have a little issue with a rollover and have to talk to this goodfella wannabe?

Read this thread and others and ask yourself why a book would be in here hawking away and avoiding questions of their past? What book has nothing better to do on a Saturday than have nearly their entire management/ownership posting at SBR? There was a poster two days ago that hit a $120,000 parlay at Bookmaker. If you hit that at vice they would pack up and move on and everyone knows it. So if you want to be a goodfellas type and need the action rush that comes with seeing your book has made it another day then vice is good. If you want to play and not worry about getting paid even if you go on the roll of a lifetime then stay with an A rated book.

**HedgeHog** · 08-12-12, 01:14 PM

I don't understand all the 1Vice hate threads. Why isn't it a good thing when a new book opens and pays off the previous clients stiffed by its parent company? Compare this to Hollywood Sportsbook (D+), once an A Book and SBR recommended. Then Sportsbook.com bought them out and they selectively stiffed a number of players in 07. Now HW is under new management, but they refuse to reimburse people previously victimized. Where are all the hate threads for this Book?

I've been with America's Bookie (1Vice sister book) now for several months and have been treated very well. CS has been decent and p2p payouts have been timely and inexpensive (about $20 cost per $600). Not shilling, just relating my actual experience. It's a good small Book, probably a C+ IMO.

**SBR_John** · 08-12-12, 02:29 PM

HH why do you play at all the crappy books? Do you contact them and offer to schill for them aLa Easystreet or is it just a hobby?

**Pew Pew** · 08-12-12, 02:51 PM

I'm sure it's a hobby... a sad one really... 99.6% of his posts are in Sportsbook Industry forums ffs.... I don't understand why he spends most of his time here

**HedgeHog** · 08-12-12, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

HH why do you play at all the crappy books? Do you contact them and offer to schill for them aLa Easystreet or is it just a hobby?

With Easystreet, I was there before the Cory Story broke. They had just been raised to a C+ by SBR and looked like an up and comer. I collected several times there and left. With America's Bookie, I read in this forum that they were paying back previous Apex victims after nearly a decade. It looked like they were trying to make amends so I bit on the 100% FP, and haven't been sorry since.

So I guess you could say SBR has helped me find all these "crappy books". Which brings me full circle to Betonline. How the hell can you have BOL at a B+ rating and SBR Recommended? I have played at EZ, AB and BOL and the only one I had payout trouble with was your sponsor BOL (twice). You have BOL's banner and B+ rating, all bought and paid for, proudly flying here---and you call me a shill? LOL

PS I answered your question. Kindly address mine.

**SBR_John** · 08-12-12, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

With Easystreet, I was there before the Cory Story broke. They had just been raised to a C+ by SBR and looked like an up and comer. I collected several times there and left. With America's Bookie, I read in this forum that they were paying back previous Apex victims after nearly a decade. It looked like they were trying to make amends so I bit on the 100% FP, and haven't been sorry since.

So I guess you could say SBR has helped me find all these "crappy books". Which brings me full circle to Betonline. How the hell can you have BOL at a B+ rating and SBR Recommended? I have played at EZ, AB and BOL and the only one I had payout trouble with was your sponsor BOL (twice). You have BOL's banner and B+ rating, all bought and paid for, proudly flying here---and you call me a shill? LOL

PS I answered your question. Kindly address mine.

You really didn't answer if you contact them for freeplays for schilling. i suppose the lack of an answer is the answer.

BOL is fine. They make dozens of payouts a day. Durito, who is a big anti SBR reported he got paid $10k in a day. That was yesterday. BOL is the current whipping boy and they have had their problems. But everyone is getting paid and they will be here long after your free play books are gone. BOL has about 5000 active players while your free play books may have 65. Your free play books may have 2 payouts a day while BOL may have a couple of hundred. I think the rating is fair. People said the same about Bovada just a couple of months ago...do a search. Now they are back to 10 days not a peep. Bottomline is you cant compare a book that has been around 9 moths and has 65 actives to one that has been around 10+ years and has 5000 actives and has a good track record. Now earn your freeplay

**HedgeHog** · 08-12-12, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You really didn't answer if you contact them for freeplays for schilling.

I thought I did. The only Free Play I received from EZ and AB was on my initial deposit--nothing sinister like you claim. Your defense of BOL is laughable at best as your forum is littered with 5-figure confiscation complaints requiring SBR intervention. And what about the people that never heard of SBR--do you think their money is ever returned? Highly doubtful. Defending BOL's rating is a true display of shilling at its best. I'm guessing their August ad check must have cleared.

**PharaohUB** · 08-12-12, 07:52 PM

Can we just give these guys a shot? They offer a good bonus and have shown they have good intentions. They are paying. Their tactics are unorthodox and I could see how it would annoy SBR. If someone wanted to deposit a couple hundred and get a 100% freeplay this is the book.

No they might not be able to pay you if you won a 120K parley. But where is the hurt in taking a shot at the freeplay and winning a few k. They will pay you. And it's the best bonus out there right now. If SBR truly cared about their players and not lining their pockets they could understand simple economics. If 1vice doesn't pay for advertising they can give their players better rewards and still stay in business.

Personally I prefer 5dimes/heritage as I like to play big. But this book is fine for someone who wants to only deposit a couple hundred.

**SBR_John** · 08-12-12, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by PharaohUB

Can we just give these guys a shot? They offer a good bonus and have shown they have good intentions. They are paying. Their tactics are unorthodox and I could see how it would annoy SBR. If someone wanted to deposit a couple hundred and get a 100% freeplay this is the book.

No they might not be able to pay you if you won a 120K parley. But where is the hurt in taking a shot at the freeplay and winning a few k. They will pay you. And it's the best bonus out there right now. If SBR truly cared about their players and not lining their pockets they could understand simple economics. If 1vice doesn't pay for advertising they can give their players better rewards and still stay in business.

Personally I prefer 5dimes/heritage as I like to play big. But this book is fine for someone who wants to only deposit a couple hundred.

HH no our opinion is good. Next month you will be looking for a B or C rated book that you can try to make a case is slightly overrated. You just look for anything to justify schilling for crappy books. You did the same thing when you were shilling for Easystreet.

PharaohUB, we see many of these books. They come every year. When this one goes down you will actually see people blaming SBR for letting them post here. Yes, give them a chance. If you get in and out quick enough you may be ok. But just know over the past 10 years none of these micro one-man books have made it very long. Even the 1vice group has opened other books in the past but eventually went broke.

**PharaohUB** · 08-12-12, 08:54 PM

I can't disagree with you. Been following the industry for ten years or so and seen them all come and go. I guess I just have a nack for getting in and out at the right time. Usually the writing is on the wall well before these books start stiffing people if you know what to look for. Might as well take advantage of a 100% freeplay bonus that you are allowed to parley (without an additional rollover) while the book is still good. Like I said I don't reccomend depositing large amounts there, but a couple hundred is worth the risk/reward in my oppinion.

**HedgeHog** · 08-13-12, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

HH no our opinion is good. Next month you will be looking for a B or C rated book that you can try to make a case is slightly overrated. You just look for anything to justify schilling for crappy books. You did the same thing when you were shilling for Easystreet

So at least you admit that BOL should be only a B or C rating (why not reduce them to this level--afraid the ad revenue will dry up). Still too generous, but at least it's a start. It's funny how you keep calling me a shill because of the lesser Books I play at (it's a risk vs reward thing you obviously don't understand), despite the fact that most of my current Books are A/B rated like 5D or BI. When I praise these Books, you have no problem, but if I defend a Book that's not on your payroll, I must be a shill. The facts speak for themselves: BOL complaints are neverending, but SBR continues to praise BOL--"B+ and SBR Recommended". It's the very definition of shilling, a paid plant hawking an inferior product.

**SBR_John** · 08-13-12, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

So at least you admit that BOL should be only a B or C rating (why not reduce them to this level--afraid the ad revenue will dry up). Still too generous, but at least it's a start. It's funny how you keep calling me a shill because of the lesser Books I play at (it's a risk vs reward thing you obviously don't understand), despite the fact that most of my current Books are A/B rated like 5D or BI. When I praise these Books, you have no problem, but if I defend a Book that's not on your payroll, I must be a shill. The facts speak for themselves: BOL complaints are neverending, but SBR continues to praise BOL--"B+ and SBR Recommended". It's the very definition of shilling, a paid plant hawking an inferior product.

Don't get your panties in a wad. I simply asked why you defend crap books. You took it to BOL as if that is somehow relevant. It is ironic that you back your crap books when they Stiff a player but think its a travesty when a BOL or Bavada have a processor issue.

**HedgeHog** · 08-13-12, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Don't get your panties in a wad. I simply asked why you defend crap books. You took it to BOL as if that is somehow relevant. It is ironic that you back your crap books when they Stiff a player but think its a travesty when a BOL or Bavada have a processor issue.

BOL is relevant in any discussion of crap Books. BTW, EZ stiffed one sleazy/chargebacking casino player and AB has stiffed no one that I am aware of to date. All sports bettors have been paid at both books to my knowlege. Meanwhile, BOL has attemted to confiscate (steal) several 5-figure balances from players--something you try to blame on processing issues. This is a theft (attempted anyway) issue, not a processing issue (of which they have many problems here too).

So I guess we're both guilty of defending lesser Books, the ones I play at, and the ones that pay for ratings here--BOL currently and BetPhoenix before them.

**darkhat** · 08-13-12, 09:30 AM

No reason to play at 1vice when you can play at betislands, rebatewager, bookmaker, heritage, 5dimes.

**princecharles** · 08-14-12, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by HedgeHog

BOL is relevant in any discussion of crap Books. BTW, EZ stiffed one sleazy/chargebacking casino player and AB has stiffed no one that I am aware of to date. All sports bettors have been paid at both books to my knowlege. Meanwhile, BOL has attemted to confiscate (steal) several 5-figure balances from players--something you try to blame on processing issues. This is a theft (attempted anyway) issue, not a processing issue (of which they have many problems here too).

So I guess we're both guilty of defending lesser Books, the ones I play at, and the ones that pay for ratings here--BOL currently and BetPhoenix before them.

Originally posted by HedgeHog

BOL is relevant in any discussion of crap Books. BTW, EZ stiffed one sleazy/chargebacking casino player and AB has stiffed no one that I am aware of to date. All sports bettors have been paid at both books to my knowlege. Meanwhile, BOL has attemted to confiscate (steal) several 5-figure balances from players--something you try to blame on processing issues. This is a theft (attempted anyway) issue, not a processing issue (of which they have many problems here too).

So I guess we're both guilty of defending lesser Books, the ones I play at, and the ones that pay for ratings here--BOL currently and BetPhoenix before them.

HH,
Your argument is a hybrid 'Straw Man fallacy'.
Your constant reframing the issue to include BOL is the problem. We all understand what you're stating, it's just that the issue is the thieves and liars of the RDG Corp / Rob+Zach+George, etc and et al. (Have some fun, google RDG Corp. plus the word 'scam').

Any BOL discussion is a separate issue to me, not even close to warranting concurrent adjudication.

You definitely have a gift for written debate, I can see that.
The question I really have is what would your argument look like if you excluded BOL references, and kept it tightly relevant.

And the optics continue to show your defense getting barbecued.

**marcojuiceman** · 08-14-12, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by princecharles

HH,
Your argument is a hybrid 'Straw Man fallacy'.
Your constant reframing the issue to include BOL is the problem. We all understand what you're stating, it's just that the issue is the thieves and liars of the RDG group/Rob+Zach+Grorge+etal.

Any BOL discussion is a separate issue to me, not even close to concurrent adjudication.

You definitely gave a gift for written debate, I can see that.
The question I really have is what would your argument look like if you excluded BOL references, and kept it tightly relevant.

And the optics continue to show your defense getting barbecued.

**princecharles** · 08-15-12, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by marcojuiceman

**jbart28** · 08-15-12, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by darkhat

No reason to play at 1vice when you can play at betislands, rebatewager, bookmaker, heritage, 5dimes.

^^^^^^^ x 1 mirrion

**princecharles** · 08-15-12, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by jbart28

^^^^^^^ x 1 mirrion

You mistyped +275
You are Asian -325

*note: Odds based on the distance between the 'R' and 'L' keys.

**MBENZ** · 08-15-12, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

You really didn't answer if you contact them for freeplays for schilling. i suppose the lack of an answer is the answer.

BOL is fine. They make dozens of payouts a day. Durito, who is a big anti SBR reported he got paid $10k in a day. That was yesterday. BOL is the current whipping boy and they have had their problems. But everyone is getting paid and they will be here long after your free play books are gone. BOL has about 5000 active players while your free play books may have 65. Your free play books may have 2 payouts a day while BOL may have a couple of hundred. I think the rating is fair. People said the same about Bovada just a couple of months ago...do a search. Now they are back to 10 days not a peep. Bottomline is you cant compare a book that has been around 9 moths and has 65 actives to one that has been around 10+ years and has 5000 actives and has a good track record. Now earn your freeplay

Using Durito as an example is completely offbase.He is not in U.S. Americans are the ones having trouble with BOL.Maybe you can answer this...are the people in upper management still the ones that were with BOS?If you remember BOS bought up shit books too and when the house of cards crashed everybody got fukked.Why pick up Sportsbook when you can't take care of the customers that you have?Looks like a pattern starting.

**Courtesywipe** · 08-15-12, 06:47 AM

I have a question. I deposited at 1Vice yesterday for the first time. I am limited to $50 max wager on all parlays and straight bets. Is this normal?? It will take me forever to meet rollover requirement.

**brendon** · 08-15-12, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Courtesywipe

I have a question. I deposited at 1Vice yesterday for the first time. I am limited to $50 max wager on all parlays and straight bets. Is this normal?? It will take me forever to meet rollover requirement.

yeah, i think all new accounts are set up with that limit. just ask them to raise it.

**Courtesywipe** · 08-15-12, 07:20 AM

OK. Cool, thanks

**BrianLaverty** · 08-15-12, 10:31 AM

All accounts are set up with 50 dollars max bet? Lol... you guys are big time.

**djefferis** · 08-17-12, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by BrianLaverty

All accounts are set up with 50 dollars max bet? Lol... you guys are big time.

Its more of a safety feature for the book...a lot of 50 freeplays and 100% free plays offered there. If a player comes in on a 100-200 deposit with an equal amount of frerplay, wouldn't be hard for them to scalp a few parlays for a nice return. They aren't falling into that trap this way.

But agreed, these guys aren't pinny-heritage or a pro book.

**dolson** · 08-17-12, 11:13 AM

This thread is

**princecharles** · 08-17-12, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by djefferis

Its more of a safety feature for the book...a lot of 50 freeplays and 100% free plays offered there. If a player comes in on a 100-200 deposit with an equal amount of frerplay, wouldn't be hard for them to scalp a few parlays for a nice return. They aren't falling into that trap this way.

But agreed, these guys aren't pinny-heritage or a pro book.

What would be your optimum play(s) for scalping a few parlays?
How exactly do you think that can be accomplished?
Thanks

**lines freak** · 08-17-12, 01:28 PM

SBR John hit it on the head with hedgehog. Hedghog makes friends with owners and then publicly supports them, only to get his own
wheels greased.

The reason to not trust new books is because even the old books will stiff u if they can.

1vice has been sending offers for free TV drawing. WHOPPEEEEEEE

My church has a free TV raffle too.