Pretty funny/sad for a book of its size...the Heritage overnight line on the May 30 NYY@LAA game was sitting at LAA -117/NYY +109 all night. Then 5 Dimes posted their line at 10:05pm, and accidentally flipped the line, posting NYY -116. Within a second, Heritage moved from NYY +109 to NYY -118. The rest of the market (Pin, BM, Greek) didn't budge. Sort of ironic when a book trying to be as balls-less as possible still manages to funk it up.
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When you hand out so many free plays to the fish you can't afford to hire any real linesmakers, hence the need to copy lines and kick out winners.Comment -
Originally posted by Emily_Haines
Cant afford??? Heritage is much more solid & way deeper wallet than 5Dimes.....guaranteed.Comment -
Lol at them giving an fp. Those tight wads mess your transfer and still won't give a fp from my experience.Losing player at their book as well.Comment -
more solid and way deeper? if heritage was way deeper, they would offer 100 more options with much bigger limits than they do now... because you might know the name of the owner and some other business they are involved in, certainly doesnt mean they are much deeper than one of the industry leaders... the amount of money 5dimes takes in daily, pisses all over anything heritage makes...that is your guaranteeOriginally posted by MagicDiceFlowComment -
Heritage seems to copy 5D nascar lines too, thats fine with me they are reliable for payouts and their cs is goodComment -
heritage pays---they will honor bet even if you bet a backward line on them.Comment -
Heritage is taking much bigger bets than 5Dimes.Comment -
this is correct.. and u can get higher ones by calling it similiar to thegreek *not as high but close*Originally posted by Justin7
5dimes isnt small time but they dont have near the availability to Pound a game as heritage isnt scared of sharp or square action who has money.
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Heritage has made a huge investmemt over the last year , an investment so large that I would probably say they could buy 5dimes out.
5dimes is a great shop but they are just 5dimes you have shops now that have financial prowlness and vision that can put a big dent to 5D biz they need to re invent themselves quickComment -
heritage is the real deal
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Originally posted by raydog
it's idiotic to think that 5dimes is bigger than Heritage just because they have more betting options. Ask any sharp that's been in the business for more than 10 years and almost all will confirm that Heritage is much bigger and solid than 5dimes.Comment -
from a square maybe on a few sports...they are almost not even worth having as an out to some of us and havent been for a while due being limited...this isnt even arguable ...i got no problems with a place cloning lines, it just gives guys an extra out, and no doubt the owners have money, but they could have so much more business than they do... entirely too many things they do that makes you scratch your head.Originally posted by Justin7Comment -
Who is Heritage taking large bets from? I'm not saying they are not; I am just curious bc they appear to limit most people who don't immediately show themselves to be square.Originally posted by Justin7Comment -
Originally posted by taxer
can you explain a little, taxer? i assume you are talking euro or asian books or bookmaker for states players...nobody else (for u.s players) even comes close to what 5dimes offers(besides BM)...so sure, you might have books with more investment money, but if they arent offering more options, live betting, reduced etc...how are they really doing anything that makes 5d feel the pressure of needing to re invent themselves?
... just trying to learn a little more, taxer..thats all buddy 
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lolerzOriginally posted by MagicDiceFlowComment -
Always has and always will, ese. Heritage is and always will be #1.Originally posted by Justin7המוסד
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Originally posted by Justin7
Heritage is one of the only books that limits your total risk on a given game, as opposed to limiting a single wager and allowing re-betting after a line move. So...your claim sounds a bit thin on multiple fronts.Comment -
Originally posted by MagicDiceFlow
Reality is this- Heritage owners were part of the pinnacle group when they started offshore- branched off on there own-but still tight with pinnacle- that is all you need to know-
5dimes is a joke of a book geared towared the $25 dollar bettor- that is why they put up so many betting options- so these $25 dollar bettors have a zillion and one ways to lose- if you have any clue what so ever Tony will limit you or toss you and he is just not a nice person- He shouldn't try to be a big boy when he is afraid to book like the big boys-
That is the only way to compare these 2 books-Comment -
Interesting. It may be true, but I haven't heard or seen anything suggesting this is accurate.Originally posted by Fred FlintstoneComment -
Originally posted by Justin7
1000% accurate-Comment -
Pinnacle was always very quant-heavy. Until Ganch went to Heritage, I don't think Heritage had the quant expertise needed to set their own derivatives and all the new products they are offering.Originally posted by Fred Flintstone
Can you share more information?Comment -
It's not a big secret to guys actually in the business for 20-25 years- not really a big deal-I was just making a point you cannot compare heritage to 5dimes- 5dimes is a joke-Comment -
i hope this is what you meant...Originally posted by Fred Flintstone
but okay fred... nobody ever said the money behind heritage wasnt bigger...i find it extremely hard to believe that with the shit limits on players, obvious line copying, dual lines and lack of options, that heritage runs more money in and out of the sportsbook... i would have to see solid proof and your word isnt proof, but doesnt effect me one way or the other...i cant bet shit there anymore anyways...they are nothing more than an nfl out for me at times these days and thats no good to at least 1 other guy in this thread...in fact i cant really think of any reason why a good gambler outside of the u.s would even play there...but it seems you are happy and thats all that counts...
hope all is well with everyone...st.jude classic week coming up for me...will be a handful of caddies raising hell at the house all week... and no, they arent worth a damn when it comes to info
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5Dimes is like the poster child for limiting players and copying lines.Originally posted by raydogComment -
for some smaller markets, totally agree...but its not everyone and at least it is offered... and hey, everywhere but a few places will limit stuff, everyone knows this...typical business practice when you prove you can beat them...Originally posted by John DoughComment -
Originally posted by raydogi hope this is what you meant...
but okay fred... nobody ever said the money behind heritage wasnt bigger...i find it extremely hard to believe that with the shit limits on players, obvious line copying, dual lines and lack of options, that heritage runs more money in and out of the sportsbook... i would have to see solid proof and your word isnt proof, but doesnt effect me one way or the other...i cant bet shit there anymore anyways...they are nothing more than an nfl out for me at times these days and thats no good to at least 1 other guy in this thread...in fact i cant really think of any reason why a good gambler outside of the u.s would even play there...but it seems you are happy and thats all that counts...
hope all is well with everyone...st.jude classic week coming up for me...will be a handful of caddies raising hell at the house all week... and no, they arent worth a damn when it comes to info
I don't need to post up so I was just making a point- 5dimes is a joke book-
Heritage has no problem booking long time credit sharps for good money-
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For example- Betonline gets a bad rap- and they should-
but on credit I would put Joe Jr in the top 5-
Same goes with Luke at legends-
Shitty post up operations but real good for credit guys-
take that for what ever you want-Comment
