[MIAMIHURRICANE]

has anyone had success with greyhounds

[allang84]

no they are far too un predictable, you can make money trading dogs on BetFair but straight punting i highly doubt it

[thespeculator]

i think people treat it the same way as roulette or slots, put your money down and take your chances, as always there are probably a small number of people who do well

[LGBoots]

There was some software available in the Uk which 'Models' the race & plays a virtual show of how it thinks the race will pan out.

It had some ok reviews but I don't play the dogs so never got round to giving it a try.

[BET THE HOOK]

I play the puppies but as with anything else anything can happen.

[robmpink]

seems really, really tough to do.

[Mr. Jones]

Haven't played the dogs for several decades now, but could at least, for the most part, break even at Derby Lane and maybe make a few bucks at the Tampa track. Have no idea why I used to do better at Tampa.

[username474]

Yes, but they will not let me get that close with a needle anymore. ( I kid, I kid)

[Hareeba!]

no they are far too un predictable, you can make money trading dogs on BetFair but straight punting i highly doubt it

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

There are several punters who specialise in dog racing and do very well at it.
I know one in particular who makes his living on them.
He realises that there are so few serious punters in the game and so little publicly available information that he has an enormous advantage in concentrating on it. Even the bookies generally don't have much of an idea.
He works very hard on it, studying videos for hours and hours, knows every dog's habits and can draw accurate speed maps. Concentrating on only local events means he can know more about them than probably anyone else.
Unfortunately for him, he can't bet with the bookies anymore so has to concentrate on the totes (particularly exotics) and Betfair.

[craigpb]

Unless they follow them yearround, I doubt anyone has any success.

[capitalist pig]

There is a track near me, and I know people who try to cap the dogs, I dont pay them any attention but they go every week during the season.

later

[allang84]

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

There are several punters who specialise in dog racing and do very well at it.
I know one in particular who makes his living on them.
He realises that there are so few serious punters in the game and so little publicly available information that he has an enormous advantage in concentrating on it. Even the bookies generally don't have much of an idea.
He works very hard on it, studying videos for hours and hours, knows every dog's habits and can draw accurate speed maps. Concentrating on only local events means he can know more about them than probably anyone else.
Unfortunately for him, he can't bet with the bookies anymore so has to concentrate on the totes (particularly exotics) and Betfair.

you can study dogs all your life and still get it wrong, ur talking utter crap.

trading yes, punting NO

[Hareeba!]

you can study dogs all your life and still get it wrong, ur talking utter crap.

trading yes, punting NO

how can people come on here and call others liars when they have utterly no knowledge about the subject matter ?

the chap I talked about does exist
he's been out of the workforce for 15+ years
greyhounds are about the only thing he does, he works very hard at it and knows it inside out, and he supports himself and family by betting (not trading) on his work.

yes you can study anything all your life and still get it wrong
but not everyone is a failure at what they do
"the harder one works the luckier one becomes"

[allang84]

when they have utterly no knowledge about the subject matter ?

been trading dogs on betfair/betdaq since day 1,step father trains 4 greyhounds that run all over england, had greyhounds as pets last 20 years, watched greyhound racing all my life.

far too unpredictable to make a living straight betting,

cant be done long term!

last ill comment on the matter!!!!

[Hareeba!]

when they have utterly no knowledge about the subject matter ?

been trading dogs on betfair/betdaq since day 1,step father trains 4 greyhounds that run all over england, had greyhounds as pets last 20 years, watched greyhound racing all my life.

far too unpredictable to make a living straight betting,

cant be done long term!

last ill comment on the matter!!!!

the subject matter I was referring to was the successful greyhound punter of my acquaintance over whom you have called me a liar

I made no suggestion that you know nothing about greyhounds

but clearly you don't know enough about handicapping them and think you are smarter than a guy who makes a good living doing it

[Ruifgalmeida]

greyhounds seem impossible to beat to much vig.
I remember a guy who sue willhill for not letting in bet greyhounds because we won too much money.

[Seattle Slew]

Same here, but used to play them a lot. Run into the first turn was always the key, with several dogs sent into the outer rail when they bunched up.

On the flip side, never had to worry about an inquiry.

Haven't played the dogs for several decades now, but could at least, for the most part, break even at Derby Lane and maybe make a few bucks at the Tampa track. Have no idea why I used to do better at Tampa.

[Hareeba!]

Run into the first turn was always the key, with several dogs sent into the outer rail when they bunched up.

precisely ... and that's where detailed knowledge of each dog's habits and early speed can allow the preparation of speed maps which identify the likely beneficiaries and sufferers on the first bend

[Wrecktangle]

Greyhounds are going to the dogs.

[wtt0315]

go handicap a few races, then go pick random numbers a few races and your results will probably be about the same. i did this living in daytona. i tried to cap for 3 or 4 months and then i said screw it. i went to the track and i did a 1 dollar tri box, 2 dollar qua box cost me 12 dollars. i did that for 10 races 1,4,8. i actually came out -300 and some change for capping the final week and actually came out like 120 dollars ahead the first time i did the random thing. people do this more then not with dogs. they just play numbers. its so funny watching someone trying to cap them and someone comes in and goes oh the 4 just pooped lets play him and the 5 oh shes pretty. and then 4,5 hit and the guy capping is like but the 1 had all the speed and the 8 closes so well, but i didnt realize that when the gate opened the 1 would be barking instead of going. Remember these dogs are young pups and to unpredictable to bet on other then fun or trying to hit the home run. I owe a 7 year old greyhound and he raced for 5 years and i have his racing record and its just amazing he would run 1st then 7 1 7 2,1,8,1,7. now if you are looking at a horse program and see that in the past performace you would be like damn which horseis going show up today. Well almost every dog looks like that, because dogs are almost always going up or down in class every race. they can be fun to bet on just because you can get some crazy overlays and some crazy payoffs. your best bet is trying to find a dog that can win and putting some exotics behind him. I always just went from a general statement. Speed good on inside, big dogs usually have speed but wear down, small dogs opposite but small dogs get beat up in beginning and first turn. its good to find a big closer. 4 or 5 is best starting position. 8 needs speed if he doesnt he gets hurt in first turn. These are general and not applied to all but rules of thumb. short races of 330 you should be 1 4 or 8
good luck

[thegreen]

has anyone had success with greyhounds

YES!!! They are easier to handicap then horses. Same track same distance with standardized grade changes. I was very successful with @ Phoenix with them BUT the key is that you have to watch EVERY race and know every dog. The all have certain running styles and post position is key along. If you start watching every race you will soon know all the dogs there running style and it becomes much easier. Dog racing also is followed by retired folks and people just out for night of fun which also adds to the advantage if you get to know the dogs as most people are clueless and bet program picks. Pools are small on win sides so tri and super wagers are way to go.

[thegreen]

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

There are several punters who specialise in dog racing and do very well at it.
I know one in particular who makes his living on them.
He realises that there are so few serious punters in the game and so little publicly available information that he has an enormous advantage in concentrating on it. Even the bookies generally don't have much of an idea.
He works very hard on it, studying videos for hours and hours, knows every dog's habits and can draw accurate speed maps. Concentrating on only local events means he can know more about them than probably anyone else.
Unfortunately for him, he can't bet with the bookies anymore so has to concentrate on the totes (particularly exotics) and Betfair.

Totally Agree....

[Cookie Monster]

Many years ago I used to kill the local racetrack tote. It was pretty easy, as the place market had relatively little money and was grossly inefficient. I even did not handicap, just checked for the price differences between the win market (quite larger, and far more efficient) and the place, and placed my bet a few seconds before the start. Sometimes I got better odds for place than for win

Of course, that can only happen in small local tracks, and only for small stakes.

[Eagle1958]

How do handicap dogs that just run around in circles

[alling]

Good thing about greyhound racing are the payoffs. Much better then horse racing.

[jw]

far too unpredictable to make a living straight betting,

cant be done long term!

last ill comment on the matter!!!!

I used to "know" a few people who could make a decent living from backing on the dogs ... they were however not regular punters .. they were all involved with training the dogs ... a couple of times per meeting they would all step up and hit the bookies hard at the same time .. I remember one dog they were "on" was knocked on its ass at the first bend and it still got up and won the damn race .. I guess you could say the fix was in on that one

Punting .. yes - it can be done ... but i only know of a couple of people that even attempt it ... I used to concentrate on races where i could find a dog with gate speed and early pace advantage over the rest of the field .. especially if running on a drop in class.

Can't say I ever made much ... but I didn't lose much either.

[Nathan Bug Tyler]

it is impossible to handicap the greyhounds, you take a bankroll that you can affor and box 4-5 horses inevery race, same numbers for all youll win more than your share.

[Hareeba!]

it is impossible to handicap the greyhounds, you take a bankroll that you can affor and box 4-5 horses inevery race, same numbers for all youll win more than your share.

what you are saying is that YOU can't

the guys who make a success of it WORK hard at it and treat it as a profession

what did you do ... spend 30 mins per program trying to pick them all?

[tommygun]

my mate who is a greyhound trainer is usually my source for the local dogs (australia). I send him a msg and ask him about the race and he can explain what is going to happen before it happens, he's fulltime at the tracks though and sees how all the dogs are performing.
I've made a lot of $$$ laying the greyhounds, but it's a lottery.

[davidchong]

during this 9 years as gambler, my best handicapping is in greyhounds..... usa and australia (i dislike UK there only 6 dogs per race)..., after that horses and finally sports.... around 50-60% bets are on greyhounds, and a little 5% on sports....

[davidchong]

sbr racebook removed the greyhound tracks in my account........ i usually made 3k points every week..

[elgreco]

These people who are saying it's impossible to handicap are insane. Of course its possible. Its just like anything else. Study it, bust your a s s finding +EV, and have fun. I spent a lot of time at the track growing up, and know more than a few people that make some serious supplemental income at the track. And if you are in the US (and maybe outside), its completely legal to wager online!! You can find the link at the official site of most of the tracks. (Be sure to check and see if your state is on the list)

One tip: It's not about consistently picking the winning dog. It's about consistently finding +EV in the parimutuel odds.

[Hareeba!]

These people who are saying it's impossible to handicap are insane. Of course its possible. Its just like anything else. Study it, bust your a s s finding +EV, and have fun. I spent a lot of time at the track growing up, and know more than a few people that make some serious supplemental income at the track. And if you are in the US (and maybe outside), its completely legal to wager online!! You can find the link at the official site of most of the tracks. (Be sure to check and see if your state is on the list)

One tip: It's not about consistently picking the winning dog. It's about consistently finding +EV in the parimutuel odds.

ignorance is not the same thing as insanity

the latter is excusable

[Salamander]

Track biases can be way more than horse racing and offer great opportunities.

[jw]

sbr racebook removed the greyhound tracks in my account........ i usually made 3k points every week..

... not just your account - looks like they stopped offering all together ... where do you bet greyhounds now ? Any offshore still offering Greyhound wagering .. (not allowed in my state)