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    Internet gambling is a target of Patrick bill

    I can't believe this guy wants to impose jail time for anyone who bets via internet gambling.

    Internet gambling is a target of Patrick bill

    By Matt Viser

    Globe Staff / November 10, 2007

    Even as Governor Deval Patrick seeks to license three resort casinos in Massachusetts, he hopes to clamp down on the explosion in Internet gambling by making it illegal for state residents to place a bet on line. He has proposed jail terms of up to two years and $25,000 fines for violators.

    The provision, buried deep in Patrick's bill to allow three casinos to the state, puts the governor at odds with a fellow Democrat: US Representative Barney Frank, the sponsor of federal legislation to license and regulate online gambling nationally. Yesterday Frank strongly criticized the governor's plan to punish online gamers while inviting casino operators to set up shop.

    "Why is gambling in a casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not?" Frank said. "He's making a big mistake. He's giving opponents an argument against him."

    A 46-year-old federal law prohibits betting using telephone lines, which the US Department of Justice has interpreted as prohibiting all online gambling. The government's policy has been to prosecute the operators of Internet gambling sites, but not the gamblers.

    Patrick's provision takes aim at both and would levy the same penalties on either end of the transaction. Courts have been divided over the legality of placing bets on line, and state laws vary on the issue. Massachusetts currently has no prohibition, and if its ban is adopted. it would join such states as Utah, Nevada, and Washington.

    Patrick officials declined yesterday to explain the governor's rationale for including the provision in the proposed legislation. They also would not respond to Frank's comments.

    "Several of the provisions of the governor's proposed resort casinos bill seek to clarify the laws relating to gaming in Massachusetts, including online gaming," said Kofi Jones, spokeswoman for the governor's chief gambling adviser, Daniel O'Connell, secretary of economic development. Others suggested the provision was included to make casino licenses more lucrative by preventing competition from online operators.

    "If you were cynical about it, you'd think that they're trying to set up a monopoly for the casinos," said David G. Schwartz, director of the Center for Gaming Research at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

    Patrick's casino legislation, which has been introduced at the State House but is not expected to get a hearing until next year, would license three casinos in three regions of the state. Casino developers would bid on the licenses, and Patrick expects they would attract 10-year licensing fees of $200 million to $300 million for each casino.

    Since the first Internet casino went live in 1995, online gambling has exploded nationwide. Users have flooded thousands of gambling sites, punching in credit card numbers for the rights to play cyberbingo and real-time poker from their homes. It still lags behind brick-and-mortar casinos, but online gambling has become a formidable industry, totaling $12 billion in 2005, according to Christiansen Capital Advisors, a Maine-based research firm.

    Based on its reading of the 1961 Wire Act, which bans using telephone line to place bets, the US Department of Justice contends that operating online gambling sites is illegal, although most of the sites are operated offshore and do not fall under US laws. Last year, Congress approved a gambling bill that bars credit card companies from making payments to online gambling websites, making it more difficult to place bets. Frank's bill, which was filed earlier this year, would effectively overturn that law and license and regulate online gambling in the United States.
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    "I believe in personal liberty," Frank said. "Adults should be able to do what they want. I wish my fellow liberals would not be so inconsistent on this issue."

    Patrick's provision, which is described in three paragraphs of the bill, applies to anyone in Massachusetts who places or receives a wager of any type using a telephone, cellphone, Internet, or local wireless networks. It also applies to anyone who knowingly installs equipment for transmitting wagers. The provision also specifically exempts the proposed casinos from the law.

    It does not say specifically how the state would enforce the ban, but the bill would establish an independent Gaming Control Authority and a division of Gaming Investigation and Enforcement within the attorney general's office, which would have broad powers to enforce regulations and investigate crimes.

    But in trying to ban online gambling while expanding casinos, the governor's administration appears to be alienating a constituency that might otherwise support his gambling expansion.

    The Poker Players Alliance, a group that says it represents the interests of online gamblers, began a letter-writing campaign last week and has generated 1,700 letters to the governor and various state legislators. The Washington-based organization has 16,000 members in Massachusetts, which is a fraction of what the alliance estimates are the 250,000 online poker players in the state.

    "I feel betrayed by the very existence of this legislation," the letter read. "It's especially aggravating that this language is contained in a larger bill to expand casino gambling in the Commonwealth. This contrast is utter hypocrisy."

    The organization, which recently campaigned against Governor Ernie Fletcher of Kentucky for nixing a proposed casino referendum, supports the governor's proposal for three Massachusetts casinos, but plans to oppose the overall bill.

    "It makes absolutely no sense to me," said Randy Castonguay, director of the Massachusetts chapter of the Poker Players Alliance. "It's actually kind of laughable if you think about it."

    Laura Everett, spokeswoman for Casino Free Massachusetts, a coalition of anticasino advocates, said that while some in the group may oppose online gambling, the organization is focused on fighting brick-and-mortar casinos. "We think the whole bill is a problem," she said. "One provision is not going to make a difference."

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    The socialistcrats and socialistricans are at it again!

    Yup,gambling is bad and illegal when people do it in private or with a casino or bookie out of the state's jurisdiction where babies go without food and shoes but when the state is involved in it it's called economic development.

    How can that friggin socialist clown governor get a bill passed where wage slaves that bet nickels and dimes for their only weekend entertainment at offshore books get 2 years in prison where the next day he's kissing Ted Kennedy the murderers ass!

    And they wonder why people hate government so much.The government ruling class even has an underground bunker system where they would all run with their families in a time of crisis.How royalty and socialism seems to go full circle and meet where the kings and queens have so much in common and live the same lifestyles as socialist politicians.

    How many politicians kids are over in Iraq or in the military?How many politicians kids go to public schools run by their NEA socialist union that they support and confiscate more tax payer money from to finance?How many politicians have high stakes poker games and bet on sports?How many politicians line up tax payer welfare subsidies for pro sports team owners where the tax payer financially supports the teams but they can't place a bet on the team without going to jail?

    Sure,why would the state who owns casinos and ripoff lotteries want competition from the private sector running gambling operations that would treat their customers fairly instead of ripping them off like they do.God forbid that someone would place a juiceless bet at an offshore bookie instead of buying 50 scratchoff lottery tickets that take 50%vig.

    Shame on the communist socialist politicians for being such hypocrites!!!!Jesus would not approve and wait till the day you have to answer to god about all the crap you have strewn on the peasant underling class you rule over.

    This Patrick character reminds me of the Tommy Smother's character in the movie Casino.First you have a governor named Glove Romney now you have one named Deval which must mean devil in ebonics.
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    internet gambling has about 2 years left

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    Maybe these people who are so eager to jail online gamblers, yet even more eagers to set up more local casinos don't realize how much money is at stake here.

    Most of these people probably do not even know how to operate a computer and do not understand what is going on.

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    Straight from Nazi Germany. Idiots. They'd be laughed off the stage in Europe, but I guess America still has to learn the lesson of fascism the hard way.

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    Im with BrentCrude here, they want to put you in jail for making a wager online, but ole Ted still aint done a day in jail for the Chappaquiddick Island coverup. To many of the Kennedys have been crooks ,cheaters, liars and as history will show, the family has paid a price for their unscrupulous behavior.

    later

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    internet gambling has about 2 years left
    Coincidentally the American empire has about 2 years left.

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    Asshole politicians worried about people placing bets online when they can't balance the budget, lower our taxes or stop REAL criminals out there.

    Lotteries, horse racing, and keno are some of the means state governments raise money to finance their operations, and trying to arrest and fine individuals for the same activities is just an example of the level of hypocrisy that exists in US state and federal govt.

    Who ever lined the pockets of this moron is getting their money's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon13009 View Post
    Who ever lined the pockets of this moron is getting their money's worth.
    The real sick part is that your statement is probably pretty accurate.

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    I know this particular case is on a state level. But what id like to know is why arent these offshore sports books hiring lobbyists to do something in DC?

    Surely SBR realizes that if anyone wants sports betting to be legal in the US its going to cost alot of $ to be spread around DC. You guys are in contact with all the books, does this ever come up? If the industry did 12 billion in 2005, why are they so cheap as to not take 10% of that and buy some pull in DC.

    My guess is there are to many shady/greedy operators, who dont realize or care how things work in DC. Plus I doubt any of the offshore books really want anyone looking to closely at what $ goes through, and comes out of them.

    Im beginning to think JJ is right, the industry here in the US is doomed.

    later

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    Has anyone actually been charged under this law?

    I mean smoking weed is illegal in canada, but when i was in Vancouver everyone outside starbucks had a joint in thier hands with a cop standing right there.

    there are laws that are enforced and not enforced. If no one is getting charged than who gives a ****. Sports books...let americans bet... what's the worst that can happen to you?

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