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  • BrianLaverty
    SBR MVP
    • 07-02-07
    • 2183

    #1
    BetPhoenix doesnt credit my account for a blackjack and then say that I'm cheating...
    I've been one of the biggest supporters of this book for the last 6 months but there have some subtle moves that have been making me feel very uncomfortable the last couple of weeks... and then this happens Sunday night..

    Im playing blackjack and get an AJ.... nice... so then next hand I get blackjack again, this time with AQ, but my account never gets credited and they take the risked money out of my account.



    So I'm on the phone and live chat with them for a total of about 3 hours on Tuesday trying to get this straightened out. Well, I eventually get them to send me the full hand history for my live blackjack play on Sunday Night:




    It shows that I did get credited for the AJ blackjack, but never got credited for the AQ blackjack and was proof that I'm right. So finally, Carlos (casino manager) comes to the conclusion that I am right and that he just has to send a message to the tech support people in Singapore as is required by the company. He says that he will credit my account 112.50, and a little extra for the inconvenience and patience that I showed. He says that he will credit my account on Wednesday once he hears back from the support team.

    So then yesterday comes and its the same thing. I call, and he says the people in Singapore gave him the wrong answer and to give him until today. I alos had a very interesting chat with Jeff Robinson yesterday and I will post that in the next post.

    So onto today, I call twice this morning and Carlos isn't there. FInally, Carlos calls me around 12:30 EST and leaves a voicemail. I get back to him and he tells me that the tech support people in Singapore said that the documents are right and i never risked or played that hand. I said WTF, how can that be when I have a damn screenshot that shows otherwise. After arguing on the phone for 10 minutes, it gets nowhere and it ends up with Carlos calling me a cheater. He basically said that I photoshopped the picture and that the documents are always right. For one thing, I have no idea how to photoshop and I'm pretty sure you couldn't make it look that perfect even if you were an expert at it.

    This is an email he sent to Jeff Robinson about it:

    Brian, I got this email forward from the casino manager carlos, I suggest you get in touch with carlos about this email we got from our casino host. carlos@betphoenix.com
    Thanks,
    Jeff R

    The backend clearly shows no record of him placing $45 on game 068DQN.


    I believe the attached screenshot belongs to game 067DQN, not the game 068DQN he claimed.

    The Game Id of 067DQN (which you did spot out), and Net Win of previous game 066DQN ($20+$20=$40) do betray him.



    So chances are he cleverly performed following steps:



    Step 1. After placing $45 on 067DQN, right before the cards were dealt, he captured the screen. (blank with no card).

    Step 2. He chickened out the next game (068DQN), which later he found out that was also a Blackjack hand.

    He regretted that, so he captured the video screen, and photoshopped it with the previous 067DQN screen.










    Not a good sign that they are willing to go to this length over a measly 112 dollars. I am very offended with the whole situation and can't believe Ive actually got cheated over 100 dollars. This is a joke of a company and I think all the posts out there are more then likely legit and warranted. I am done with BetPhoenix, and hope I can get that money so I can cash out.


  • BrianLaverty
    SBR MVP
    • 07-02-07
    • 2183

    #2
    And here's a very wtf chat that I had with Jeff Robinson. He threatens to close my account:


    info: Please wait for a site operator to respond.
    info: You are now chatting with 'Alex'
    Alex: Hi Brian
    Alex: how can I assist you today ?
    Brian: can i speak to chris please
    Alex: he is off today
    Brian: jeff please?
    Alex: please hold
    info: Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Jeff'.
    info: You are now chatting with 'Jeff'
    Jeff: Brian
    Jeff: What's going on?
    Brian: can you call up Carlos from the casino and ask whats going on with the money they owe me
    Jeff: I already took care of that on monday
    Brian: ?????
    Jeff: I credited 10% of your casino losses
    Brian: Im talking about a blackjack that i never got credited for
    Jeff: Yes it was
    Brian: what?
    Jeff: I gave you back the losses on blackjack and everything else you played
    Brian: this is different
    Jeff: No it's not
    Jeff: I'm looking at your account right now
    Brian: I never got credited for a blackjack sunday night... it was a software malfunction...
    Jeff: I took care of this on monday
    Jeff: Brian I did
    Brian: ??????
    Brian: Im not talking about the losses
    Brian: i know i got credited for 10% of my losses.
    Jeff: So what are you talking about then?
    Jeff: We don't owe you anything
    Brian: yes you do
    Brian: i dealt with this for 3 hours yesteday
    Brian: and the casino manager told me i was right but he had to file a formal complaint
    Brian: and that i would get the 112.50 that they owe me because i had an AQ but it never showed upp.
    Brian: I have the goddamn screenshot... and the hand history to prove it, that i never got paid for it.
    Jeff: I just spoke to carlos, he told me he is waiting for software provider to get back to him
    Jeff: Told me to give him time till tomorrow afternoon
    Brian: WTF
    Jeff: wait
    Jeff: hold on brian
    Jeff: don't get like that
    Jeff: Or else I will close your account for good
    Jeff: ok
    Jeff: You are the only person that has this problem
    Brian: this is ridiculous, jeff
    Jeff: No brian you know what
    Jeff: your account is closed
    Brian: what?
    Brian: why?
    Jeff: Yeah your account is closed
    Brian: why?
    Jeff: To many problems with your account
    Brian: ??? like what?
    Jeff: We are trying to help you
    Brian: i didnt get credited for 112.50
    Brian: Ask Chris about it, jeff... we talked all day yesterday and he was very understandable
    Jeff: And in return you tell me to F off
    Jeff: Forget about it
    Brian: when did i tell you to f off?
    Jeff: I really don't like your attitude brian
    Brian: I never said to f off
    Jeff: Yes you did
    Brian: well i apologize
    Jeff: Your account is closed
    Brian: and what about the money you guys owe me?
    Jeff: I have prove of this chat
    Jeff: I will take this to upper management
    Brian: yes... so do i.
    Brian: i never said f off
    Jeff: For now your account is closed till further notice
    Brian: i dont get it
    Brian: Ask Chris about everything we went through yesterday
    Jeff: I already spoke to carlos
    Brian: It lasted 3 hours... and then they told me I was right all allong.
    Jeff: I don't need to talk to chris
    Brian: Carlos and Chris both said that i was extremely patient and they really appreciate it.
    Brian: and I was supposed to get a call this morning... which is why i was very agitated case i didnt wanna deal with this all day long again.
    Jeff: Well your not patient with me
    Jeff: So I really don't appreciate your attitude problems
    Jeff: I'm trying to help you out
    Jeff: In return you give me problems
    Brian: im sorry... and i think i always have been... even with what happened to my bank account from u guys
    Brian: i said "wtf".. it wasnt at you, it was at the situation.
    Jeff: Yes and I am going to help you on that
    Brian: plus... you were telling me that i was wrong.. so i was kind of offended.
    Jeff: Yes but I don't accept attitude problems on the chat from nobody
    Jeff: Well I was not aware of the situation from yesterday
    Jeff: I mean I gave you $135 in cash back from losses
    Jeff: And now you come up to me and tell me we still owe you
    Brian: yes... i kow you werent. which is why i didnt like being called wrong
    Jeff: You know what I mean
    Brian: yeah.. i get it... and im sorry.
    Brian: its jst been very frustrating.
    Jeff: ok
    Jeff: Alright your apology is forgiven
    Brian: thank you.
    Jeff: I will take care of your casino deal with carlos tomorrow
    Brian: okay... thanks alot.
    Jeff: He told me to remind him tomorrow
    Jeff: So soon as I come in tomorrow I will ask him
    Jeff: ok
    Jeff: Bye for now
    Brian: bye
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    • landers781
      SBR MVP
      • 02-27-09
      • 4774

      #3
      Wow I dont like that chat session one bit. Was getting warm to BP and was even going to make a deposit within the next week...but after seeing this, I am not so sure I want to take a risk. Hopefully richard will come here and clear up the situation
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      • MichaelC
        SBR High Roller
        • 10-25-09
        • 211

        #4
        Hmmmm....wow on both posts....GL
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        • acarmelo1
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-29-09
          • 6321

          #5
          That Jeff Dude is a DICK, is that the way you treat your customers?

          **** BETPHEONIX
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          • landers781
            SBR MVP
            • 02-27-09
            • 4774

            #6
            You said it Acarmelo. I am picky with my books and BP was starting to win me over as one of main ones I was going to use, but I dont know if I would feel so comfortable anymore. Like I said hopefully richard will clear it up
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            • MBENZ
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 01-07-07
              • 5238

              #7
              When everybody learns to not listen to these PT Barnums of the offshore world,we will all be in better shape.There is a reason why the major books don't put out bullshit to come join them,they don't need to,word of mouth is their best advertising.How many of these books like Phoenix with their big bonuses and reduced juice have lasted?They live by the creed"there's a sucker born everyday".Fukkin bunch of buy here,pay here used car salesman.
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              • blix177
                Restricted User
                • 09-20-08
                • 1520

                #8
                Jeff on PSM
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                • BrianLaverty
                  SBR MVP
                  • 07-02-07
                  • 2183

                  #9
                  LMAO



                  Please wait for a site operator to respond. You are now chatting with 'Diego'
                  Diego: Hello Brian
                  Brian: jeff please
                  Diego: one sec pls
                  Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Jeff'.
                  You are now chatting with 'Jeff'
                  Jeff: Brian
                  Jeff: Your account is closed
                  Brian: why
                  Jeff: If you have any more questions email phill@betphoenix or fred@betphoenix.com
                  Brian: id like to know why
                  Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.
                  You are not currently in a chat session.
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                  • BrianLaverty
                    SBR MVP
                    • 07-02-07
                    • 2183

                    #10
                    I just called up and asked for Phil... this is how the conversation went.


                    me: Why is my account closed.

                    Phil: You used foul language to the staff.

                    me: When?

                    Phil: last week.

                    me: No i didnt.

                    Phil: Well, you're not allowed to play here. Bye.


                    And they hung up.... such a joke...
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                    • durito
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 07-03-06
                      • 13173

                      #11
                      So saying wtf in a chat gets you banned?
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                      • blix177
                        Restricted User
                        • 09-20-08
                        • 1520

                        #12
                        BP just earned themselves a $4k withdrawal from me!
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                        • G's pks
                          Restricted User
                          • 01-01-09
                          • 22251

                          #13
                          bp overreacted!
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                          • G's pks
                            Restricted User
                            • 01-01-09
                            • 22251

                            #14
                            give this guy his money and leave out a fp with a crazy rollover..
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                            • trumpdown
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 01-21-09
                              • 755

                              #15
                              Interesting thread. This CS rep. must have some major insecurity/power trip goin on. Have they had other "issues" with your account in the past? Are you always asking them for things or having problems? The true nature of all this quite possibly is rooted deeper than first glance.
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                              • BrianLaverty
                                SBR MVP
                                • 07-02-07
                                • 2183

                                #16
                                yeah... the "problem" is that they charged my bank account twice on a deposit when i wasnt expecting it and caused my account to overdraw as I have an account just for gambling and I put cash in as I deposit. Never got the money back from that, and they just paid the overdraw fees. I spent them the bank account statement info and it showed... but thye didnt give me a refund. Is that a problem? Yes, on there part...

                                I've also had a ton of freeplays from them... but they offer them to me so i may as well take it. Besides that, can't really think of anything else.
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                                • trumpdown
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 01-21-09
                                  • 755

                                  #17
                                  Sounds to me then this rep. should be fired on principle alone.
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                                  • tltaylor89
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 06-19-09
                                    • 19610

                                    #18
                                    That rep should be fired their is no excuse for that guy you need to email richard@betphoenix.com he is the only one that matters at that shop.Sounds like that guy has forgotten that if no one wagered he would probably be serving drinks to the tourists of Costa Rica .
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                                    • betphoenix
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 10-24-07
                                      • 244

                                      #19
                                      I just got to this item, and info in from our end was delivered by email. Singapore sent me hand history, server records, and screen shots and telling me you are photo shopping the image you copied and pasted with proof that this occurred. I need a day to look at this because they are on the other side of the world, and that I need to determine what they are trying to show me. On the other hand I am not looking for World War III over $100 dollars either. Please give me the grace until tomorrow to go over this item completely.
                                      BetPhoenix - Join here
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                                      • Santo
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-08-05
                                        • 2957

                                        #20
                                        Are archives not kept of the video feed?
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                                        • Stumpage
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-21-05
                                          • 2906

                                          #21
                                          "...Jeff: Yes but I don't accept attitude problems on the chat from nobody..."

                                          How long has Tony Montana been working at Phoenix?...
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                                          • tomcowley
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 10-01-07
                                            • 1129

                                            #22
                                            The video part is real. The claim is that he shopped his bet from another hand onto that hand.
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                                            • icsky3
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 04-14-07
                                              • 1700

                                              #23
                                              Wow....I would be getting a plane ticket to kick that Jeff dudes ass.... He sounds like a women lol...Or appears to be one since I can't here him
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                                              • BrianLaverty
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 07-02-07
                                                • 2183

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by betphoenix
                                                I just got to this item, and info in from our end was delivered by email. Singapore sent me hand history, server records, and screen shots and telling me you are photo shopping the image you copied and pasted with proof that this occurred. I need a day to look at this because they are on the other side of the world, and that I need to determine what they are trying to show me. On the other hand I am not looking for World War III over $100 dollars either. Please give me the grace until tomorrow to go over this item completely.

                                                this is such a joke. I have never used Photoshop in my life and have no clue how I would even do this.

                                                Its clearly a problem with your software and now you guys are making me look bad....

                                                Also, you never even mentioned anything about my account getting closed for absolutely no reason. I have shown nothing but patience with you guys.. especially getting charged twice for one of my deposits. And this is how you guys pay me?

                                                Finally, you can check my name with any well known book out there.... bookmaker, 5dimes, the greek, bet jamaica, matchbook, beted, etc. and I have never once had a problem with any of them. Never had to even speak to a manager at any of them... I've been on here for 2+ years and at covers for close to 5 and again, never had a thread complaining about a single sportsbook.

                                                Now all of a sudden I'm photoshopping pictures of blackjack so I can win 67.50? Wouldn't I bet the maximum $100 if I was gonna do that?

                                                I am both annoyed and offended that I am getting accused of cheating just because I did the right thing, like I do with every blackjack I get and every wager I make... take a damn screenshot.

                                                Such a joke and you guys show your true colors if I dont get credited and my account doesn't get reopened.
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                                                • BrianLaverty
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 07-02-07
                                                  • 2183

                                                  #25
                                                  And I also laugh that I "chickened" out of betting 45 dollars....

                                                  I bet a total of $2366.50 on Sunday Night in blackjack

                                                  I bet a total of over $4,000 on Monday morning in blackjack.


                                                  Hell, I tipped the dealer 20 dollars when I won alot on Sunday night....But yet I'm cheating to get an extra 67.50? No, it doesnt work like that
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                                                  • tltaylor89
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 06-19-09
                                                    • 19610

                                                    #26
                                                    Personally if that Jeff guy talked to me that way he wouldent have an ass left to be kicked.
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                                                    • Stumpage
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-21-05
                                                      • 2906

                                                      #27
                                                      Based on the chat alone, as someone who has played at Phoenix regularly and is considering redepositing at some point, this episode makes it is very difficult to justify sending money back to this place. I'd always be dreading that I someday have to deal with this absolutely Epic Twat, aka Jeff. Phoenix is not a must-have book, so they have to be much more careful regarding the little things, in my opinion...For example, try to avoid hiring assholes whenever possible.

                                                      It's weird; I've read and reread the chat multiple times, and I still can't seem to locate the part where Brian tells him to F*** Off. I'll keep searching.....
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                                                      • Raven66
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 09-21-09
                                                        • 824

                                                        #28
                                                        He didn't tell him to F-OFF, he just said WTF!!

                                                        WTF can stand for anything....What the Frig.
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                                                        • tltaylor89
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 06-19-09
                                                          • 19610

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Stumpage
                                                          Based on the chat alone, as someone who has played at Phoenix regularly and is considering redepositing at some point, this episode makes it is very difficult to justify sending money back to this place. I'd always be dreading that I someday have to deal with this absolutely Epic Twat, aka Jeff. Phoenix is not a must-have book, so they have to be much more careful regarding the little things, in my opinion...For example, try to avoid hiring assholes whenever possible.

                                                          It's weird; I've read and reread the chat multiple times, and I still can't seem to locate the part where Brian tells him to F*** Off. I'll keep searching.....
                                                          Richard is a class act the rest either are really underpaid or they dont get laid
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                                                          • Stumpage
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 09-21-05
                                                            • 2906

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by tltaylor89
                                                            Richard is a class act the rest either are really underpaid or they dont get laid
                                                            No doubt...I agree completely. Richard goes well above and beyond the call; I'm amazed at some of the shit he puts up with on the Forum to be honest.

                                                            But this other guy...Well, I guess you get polar opposites at any workplace.....
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                                                            • laziie
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 11-16-09
                                                              • 207

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by tltaylor89
                                                              Richard is a class act the rest either are really underpaid or they dont get laid
                                                              agreed!!
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                                                              • robmpink
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 01-09-07
                                                                • 13205

                                                                #32
                                                                If you take a screenshot of every blackjack you get don't you have back to back screenshots with the cards shown and the game #'s? IF so post the other one. It may better your case in regards to trust.
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                                                                • tltaylor89
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 06-19-09
                                                                  • 19610

                                                                  #33
                                                                  If he did photo shop these things he must have sent the to TMZ because it looks real to me
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                                                                  • Chuck Sims
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 12-29-05
                                                                    • 3072

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Bet Phoenix is rated B+? Let me guess, they advertise here at SBR.
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                                                                    • robmpink
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 01-09-07
                                                                      • 13205

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by tltaylor89
                                                                      If he did photo shop these things he must have sent the to TMZ because it looks real to me
                                                                      I'm sure he is telling the truth but I like to play devils advocate. It is just something small that he passed along, screenshot of every bj. If he got back to back bj then he should have two screenshots of games #'s in a row.
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