Turned $1k into $200k Betonline, how to cash out?

**Mac4Lyfe** · 09-22-22, 07:28 PM

Also remember that if he had won at a US book, they would have withheld 24% on winnings in most cases. That's not enough to pay the total tax due which also gets people in trouble because he'd actually owe 37%. Plus we're not even talking about state taxes as well. But since he won it offshore, there's no record yet. Not until he creates a record by cashing out.

**Nate rasta** · 09-22-22, 07:35 PM

Sorry if this is a dumb question but he can't put that much money in his bank account because it's from a offshore casino right?

**Mac4Lyfe** · 09-22-22, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Nate rasta

Sorry if this is a dumb question but he can't put that much money in his bank account because it's from a offshore casino right?

Sure he can but it will get reported to the IRS.

**Nate rasta** · 09-22-22, 08:32 PM

^^^^ even if your in a state that considers it "unlawful gambling "?

**lonegambler23** · 09-22-22, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by bj32

Thanks for the suggestion and maybe I'll do that with my next withdrawal, but I really could use cash for bills right now so I transferred the bitcoin to my Paypal account last night. This morning when I woke up the bitcoin was worth $102k. I sold that and ended up with just over $100k USD after fees. I do have screenshots that I can share but still not sure how to do it better than I did last time.

imgur . com

**Wilfred** · 09-22-22, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Sure he can but it will get reported to the IRS.

It won’t be reported unless he uses a 3rd party suck as Venmo or PayPal that generated a 1099 but yeah if they audited him and saw that unreported it’s for sure be considered tax evasion

**Mac4Lyfe** · 09-22-22, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Wilfred

It won’t be reported unless he uses a 3rd party suck as Venmo or PayPal that generated a 1099 but yeah if they audited him and saw that unreported it’s for sure be considered tax evasion

Or if you move it to a bank account. I think he did both a bank and paypal. it will surely get reported. He won't ever get a 1099. They won't hit you for tax evasion. Just hit you with a bill. I'm thinking he could get penalized for not withholding estimated taxes plus interest. Which is why I would delay reporting as long as possible.

**Mac4Lyfe** · 09-22-22, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Nate rasta

^^^^ even if your in a state that considers it "unlawful gambling "?

The IRS does not care how you got your money as long as you report it and pay them their share.

Some states require you to pay state taxes in the state where you won. Some require you pay regardless where you won it.

**Nate rasta** · 09-23-22, 12:26 AM

That's not true

**dculh** · 09-23-22, 02:50 AM

What happened to the thread about the duke who won 400K in the betonline casino?

The thread was on page 4 this morning and I can't find it tonight.

**Optional** · 09-23-22, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

I'm definitely no tax expert

Yet you are creating confusion for anyone interested in the subject, and trying to tell a professional tax guy in Milwaukee Mike how it works?

**Fishhead** · 09-23-22, 06:22 AM

Correct, MilMike is THE MAN when it comes to taxes.

**Nate rasta** · 09-23-22, 07:33 AM

For large amounts like this you have show the bank where you got it from. Not sure what the their stance is for offshore gambling money that's why I'm asking.

**Nate rasta** · 09-23-22, 07:36 AM

Do the banks and feds consider it legal money or is it illegal money in their eyes

**Easy-Rider 66** · 09-23-22, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Nate rasta

Do the banks and feds consider it legal money or is it illegal money in their eyes

If in USA No dice

**Optional** · 09-23-22, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by Nate rasta

Do the banks and feds consider it legal money or is it illegal money in their eyes

There would be a lot of posters here charged over the years if authorities considered bitcoin illegal.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 09-23-22, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Optional

There would be a lot of posters here charged over the years if authorities considered bitcoin illegal.

yeah Maybe BTC.

**pologq** · 09-23-22, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Optional

There would be a lot of posters here charged over the years if authorities considered bitcoin illegal.

agreed

keeping money to cover the tax is key with any big winnings

**milwaukee mike** · 09-23-22, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Yet you are creating confusion for anyone interested in the subject, and trying to tell a professional tax guy in Milwaukee Mike how it works?

yeah the rule on estimated taxes... is that you have to pay the LOWER of 100% of 2021 taxes or 90% of 2022 taxes to avoid interest charges on the 2022 return ... and if your 2021 income was over 150k then it's the LOWER of 110% of 2021 taxes or 90% of 2022 taxes

so in this case i don't feel like he would owe any interest

but definitely keep a big chunk to the side for taxes and get them paid before april 15th!

**Nate rasta** · 09-23-22, 09:42 AM

This is another reason why we need legal books. I know they don't care about the small fish but this guy just hit a lotto ticket. What's he going to tell them, I turned 1,000 into 400,000 investing in Bitcoin in a week

**Nate rasta** · 09-23-22, 10:54 AM

Congrats on the big win. That's every gambler's dream to win something like that. You should definitely talk to lawyers for advice so you cover all your bases

**Wilfred** · 09-23-22, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Or if you move it to a bank account. I think he did both a bank and paypal. it will surely get reported. He won't ever get a 1099. They won't hit you for tax evasion. Just hit you with a bill. I'm thinking he could get penalized for not withholding estimated taxes plus interest. Which is why I would delay reporting as long as possible.

I mean there has to be a generated form for it to be reported, it just doesn’t get reported by the bank when it’s electronic. People using PayPal/Venmo are in for a shock this year and they will get a 1099 for moving money even from legal books over $600 in total. Those who did it last year over $20,000 already know that pain. Moving it directly from the book (legal) to your bank won’t cause anything to be reported though as far as tax forms unless your play had generated a W2G. As far as estimated taxes usually they hit you with the interest penalty if you owed money in the previous tax year so it would depend on if he did there. In I live, Michigan, the state taxes are a higher penalty than federal by a good amount for not paying estimated throughout the year.

**raiders72001** · 09-24-22, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

yeah the rule on estimated taxes... is that you have to pay the LOWER of 100% of 2021 taxes or 90% of 2022 taxes to avoid interest charges on the 2022 return ... and if your 2021 income was over 150k then it's the LOWER of 110% of 2021 taxes or 90% of 2022 taxes

so in this case i don't feel like he would owe any interest

but definitely keep a big chunk to the side for taxes and get them paid before april 15th!

good info. Definitely need a guy like you around here.

**raiders72001** · 09-24-22, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

I have a bunch of bitcoins on a Nano S ledger that I bought when they were like $10. I tried to look at it last year just out of curiosity and it needed an update and I couldn't even see my coins. They said to call customer support. I just put the thing back in my safe. I'll figure it out later, I'm in no hurry to sell. I also have a bunch on paper wallets. I found the Blockchain wallet to be very easy and It's never been hacked.

That's funny. I have 2 Ledgers and 1 Trezor. One Ledger I haven't looked at the balance in a long time and I'm going to keep it that way.

**stevek173** · 09-25-22, 10:31 AM

Nice work, bj32!

**JIBBBY** · 09-25-22, 01:14 PM

Is story telling time over?