GTbets refusing to pay, and making excuses - Am owed $10,500

**littlekona** · 04-12-18, 05:45 PM

hopefully SBR can help....But anytime I see statements like "someone place a couple of bets for me while I had no wifi" It is red Flag city and smells fishy

**JimmyDUI** · 04-12-18, 05:52 PM

When I spoke with Brian, and read him the Terms and Conditions... It even says "The member is liable for any unauthorized use of his/her wagering account." .... so either way I am liable for any wagers won or lost.... IF I lost, would they refund me cause someone made a bet for me?

To me it seems they are trying to find any excuse NOT to pay.

This only came up because I asked for a payout... Then they needed ID, then a bill, then this, then that, and on and on and on.;... finally they just said "No"

It bull****

**JimmyDUI** · 04-12-18, 05:56 PM

The member agrees to take appropriate measures to protect his/her Username, Password and other relevant information provided by the company. The member is liable for any unauthorized use of his/her wagering account.
The company reserves the right to request official identification of the member, and/or proof of the authenticity of any ************ used for transactions with our company.
Every customer is responsible for using a valid name, street address, phone number, and email address upon signup. The company requires all of this information to be accurate, and reserves the right to close any account that is not able to validate each of these requirements. In cases where clients have clearly falsified any of this required information, any balance in their account is subject to confiscation by the company.
All funds received by the company from the member are deposited into a secure escrow account.
Credit card transactions are processed by our parent Company.
No one under the age of 21 is permitted to make a wager.

https://www.gtbets.eu/termsandconditions

**Optional** · 04-12-18, 06:00 PM

It sounds like they think you and your friend have worked together to exploit something Jimmy.

Or it could simply be your friends account that is sus and now they think he controls yours by logging in from the same place.

They, and most books, have a rule about one IP/Device/Address per account. The ID request was pretty normal in those circumstances.

What reason did they give you when they said "No"?

If you shoot in an SBR sportsbook complaint form we should be able to get a manager to review your account at the very least.

**JimmyDUI** · 04-12-18, 06:26 PM

I didnt exploit anything, as you can tell from my entire betting history, and deposits. I just got very lucky on a few of those wagers. I didnt play both sides or get a bad line.

And I am putting in the complaint form now, thanks for that!

**Crusherrr** · 04-12-18, 07:56 PM

4/1/18 16th wager MLB - Minnesota vs Baltimore. Baltimore (-115). Risked $3450 to win $3000 LOST

4/1/18 17th wager MLB - St Louis vs Milwaukee. St Louis (104). Risked $500 to win $520 WON

4/2/18 18th wager MLB - White sox vs Toronto. White sox (148). Risked $10 to win $14.80 LOST

4/2/18 19th wager MLB - Washington vs Atlanta. Atlanta (111). Risked $36 to win $39.96 LOST

4/3/18 20th wager MLB - Baltimore vs Houston. Houston (-200). Risked $2112 to win $1056 WON

4/4/18 21st wager MLB - Texas vs Oakland. Oakland (-165). Risked $335 to win $203 LOST

The thing that stands out to me the most is the weird bet sizing. Why are your bets so strange. One day you are betting $3450 and then $10 and then back up to $2112 one day later. I'm not claiming your doing anything wrong but normally people will be betting $500 or $525/$550 to win $500 etc. and maybe they will bet a spread of 1 unit $500 and 2 units $1000 or something but not $3450 and then $10. It's not like you were betting the full account balance either. You started with $500 deposit and got $1000 with the bonus cash and you decide to bet $341? I don't understand that.

Also, never let anyone use their phone or computer to place bets on their accounts in your home or log into your account anywhere to place bets even if you give them permission. If they choose to not pay you they can absolutely use that to their advantage and there isn't much you can do about it.

**JimmyDUI** · 04-12-18, 09:07 PM

I did that on some bigger underdogs for some action for fun. And having someone place a wager for me cause I have no access to the internet isnt a reason.

**ikid2groove415** · 04-12-18, 09:48 PM

Mickey Mouse book!! Who cares if someone else bet for you !! Pussy books always make lame excuse

**Crusherrr** · 04-12-18, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by JimmyDUI

I did that on some bigger underdogs for some action for fun. And having someone place a wager for me cause I have no access to the internet isnt a reason.

+148 on a bigger underdog? So you feel $3450 confident on a -115 but only $10 confident on +148?

It shouldn't surprise you they are at least looking things over very closely

**RonPaul2008** · 04-12-18, 11:40 PM

Are you saying if I have 2 computers, or a phone and a computer, I can't bet on both?
And many people have 2 internet connections, like home cable internet and mobile broadband through cellular (I have both and use both). What you said makes no sense at all and is completely wrong.

Originally posted by Optional

They, and most books, have a rule about one IP/Device/Address per account.

**jtoler** · 04-13-18, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Crusherrr

+148 on a bigger underdog? So you feel $3450 confident on a -115 but only $10 confident on +148?

It shouldn't surprise you they are at least looking things over very closely

Nothing fishy with bet sizes, he must have felt very confident or greedy hehe with the 3k bet, probably handicapped it quite a bit and just confident. Does that mean he cant ever make 10 buck wagers. I stated to someone weeks ago on this forum that I could make a 1k bet and sometimes Ill bet 40 bucks they said I was a fraud like lol. Heck in live play Ill even make 1 dollar wagers just because. You could just be scrolling down the page and see something and just want to place a 10 buck or 20 buck wager on something just because it catches your eye but youre not confident or sold on it, if you win its plus 10 or 20 bucks if you lose then its just 10 or 20 bucks.

**Optional** · 04-13-18, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

Are you saying if I have 2 computers, or a phone and a computer, I can't bet on both?
And many people have 2 internet connections, like home cable internet and mobile broadband through cellular (I have both and use both). What you said makes no sense at all and is completely wrong.

I meant using more than one account from the same connection or device. Sorry for my bad wording.

**Alfa1234** · 04-13-18, 03:21 AM

Not saying they should not pay you...but at least tell the truth and admit you were in fact bonus hunting and arbitrage betting. Most likely with a "friend" account and you got caught. Too many red flags...

**Optional** · 04-13-18, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by Alfa1234

Not saying they should not pay you...but at least tell the truth and admit you were in fact bonus hunting and arbitrage betting. Most likely with a "friend" account and you got caught. Too many red flags...

That's probably what GTbets thinks.

But bonus hunting or arbing is not "illegal". There needs to be some evidence the two worked together to improve their odds of converting a bonus, or to beat house limits, before taking action against him.

The betting patterns of both accounts should reveal the truth.

**Copper00** · 04-13-18, 09:12 AM

Personally I don’t like gt for the lack of betting options, particularly with parlay.

If books are anything like daily fantasy sites then it’s crystal clear that ACCOUNT SHARING IS NOT ALLOWED. I know people that have been banned on dfs sites for sharing accounts, and some where in the rules etc states that you agree to surrender all funds if you share your account on some sites.

**JimmyDUI** · 04-13-18, 10:50 AM

There is no other account, this is my only account.

**moojoo** · 04-13-18, 10:59 AM

They say if person who made bets for you have own account.
Its interesting you didnt use your own mobile internet.

**Drydin** · 04-13-18, 11:17 AM

Nothing fishy with bet sizes, he must have felt very confident or greedy hehe with the 3k bet, probably handicapped it quite a bit and just confident. Does that mean he cant ever make 10 buck wagers.

I have no idea what OP was doing , but for myself my wagers go Up and Down like this all the time. Most the time it's because my little brother is visiting and i will make small bets for him so he has some action lol

**JimmyDUI** · 04-13-18, 12:00 PM

I work out in the fields sometimes here in Texas, there is no wifi or internet available, and GT doesnt allow you to phone in wagers (I tried).

**JimmyDUI** · 04-13-18, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by moojoo

They say if person who made bets for you have own account.
Its interesting you didnt use your own mobile internet.

I work out in the fields sometimes here in Texas, there is no wifi or internet available, and GT doesnt allow you to phone in wagers (I tried).

**Crusherrr** · 04-13-18, 12:16 PM

I can imagine the phone call. Hey Mike, log into my GTBets account and place $2,112 on the Astros moneyline for me. I'm out in the field. Thanks

It just doesn't add up. GTBets is a solid book and never once gave me trouble when I won a lot off of them previously. They took away all of my deposit bonuses so I have no reason to continue playing there but their initial 100% Cash and 50% 2nd deposit are among the best 1st deposit bonuses you will find so I imagine they get a lot of bonus abuse and are looking for any reason to not pay you. I hope you see the money but you need to understand the bet sizing, having other people place bets for you, among other things will make it so these books can find ways to screw you over whether you are legit or not.

**SBR Forum** · 04-13-18, 02:42 PM

We've received the player's complaint and will speak with GTBets management to understand their position.

**JimmyDUI** · 04-13-18, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by SBR Forum

We've received the player's complaint and will speak with GTBets management to understand their position.

Thank you for your quick help!

**dark star** · 04-14-18, 10:11 AM

They are a bubblegum book. Avoid

**jbayko** · 04-14-18, 11:47 AM

Since there is no internet out in the fields, how do you know what you want to bet on? Is your friend reading all the lines to you and you tell him to stop when you hear odds that’s you like? I’m curious how this works.

**JimmyDUI** · 04-14-18, 11:55 AM

The games and matchups are listed in our newspapers out here, thats the easiest way to find the info if internet access isnt good or no access at all.

**Crusherrr** · 04-14-18, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by jbayko

Since theee is no internet out in the fields, how do you know what you want to bet on? Is your friend reading all the lines to you and you tell him to stop when you hear odds that’s you like? I’m curious how this works.

He probably won't answer the question. I'm hoping he gets paid regardless of what he was up to but seeing as his bet sizes were so strange and he was having a friend place the bets in his account I'm guessing GTBets just isn't buying it. That's why I joked before and said "Yeah, place $2,112 on the Astros Moneyline". The strange amounts and the fact that some bets were done by a buddy of his make the situation at least somewhat questionable.

**michael777** · 04-14-18, 12:13 PM

another scammer

**jbayko** · 04-14-18, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by JimmyDUI

The games and matchups are listed in our newspapers out here, thats the easiest way to find the info if internet access isnt good or no access at all.

Okay, and if the line has changed or is different from what is in the newspaper for some reason, does your buddy call you back to see if you still want to make a play or adjust your stake size?

**JimmyDUI** · 04-14-18, 04:31 PM

No, if there was a change, he just told me over the phone while I was on the call with him, or just sent a text back. But there were no huge line changes on the games I bet that would make me second guess. And random numbers were me evening out my amount in case it lost.

Example. If my balance was $3112, I would bet $2112, in case it lost I would have an even $1000 left. But if it won, I would win a little bit extra.... Sometimes I would do the actual math to win an even amount if I felt like it

**Alfa1234** · 04-14-18, 05:57 PM

Just stop...first of all, no-one calls a friend and tells him to make a 2k bet on a line. You do that yourself. 2k is too big a bet to casually have a friend place for you. Definitely if you are working in a field yourself...meaning you aren't making millions. 2nd of all, if you check the cell phone internet coverage map of Texas, it has an almost 100% coverage so there is no "fields of texas" where you don't have a service.

There is nothing wrong with bonus hunting or arbitrage...but please, stop assuming the rest of us are idiots by making up this stuff. They should pay you if they can't prove you have multiple accounts.

**JimmyDUI** · 04-14-18, 06:05 PM

try going out to the fields and pulling up a webpage, see how long it takes to load, if at all

**moojoo** · 04-14-18, 06:49 PM

Fields of Pakistan have 4g coverage,and you are claiming Texas dont in 21st century.

**JimmyDUI** · 04-14-18, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by moojoo

Fields of Pakistan have 4g coverage,and you are claiming Texas dont in 21st century.

Never been to pakistan, but the field I was working in my coverage was barely anything.