is sbr more about profit or us player?

**MJFtheGenius** · 03-08-18, 08:18 PM

Profit, SBR is a pyramid scheme

**lom bylyri** · 03-08-18, 08:24 PM

Non Pro's are destroying America.

**VeggieDog** · 03-08-18, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by lom bylyri

Non Pro's are destroying America.

Build the wall!

**littlekona** · 03-08-18, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by VeggieDog

Build the wall!

Hahahha let no new books in unless anchor baby

**Optional** · 03-08-18, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

Love the forum but seems that sbr is more about profit for them then us the gamblers....so many times posts go unanswered by management outside of optional who is awesome and active here and occasionally drew who chimes in now and then...many posts esp about high rated books go without closure and requests for updating and adding new books that many of us use just get kicked down the road....time to make sbr great again as some little guy says

It's a business. Of course it is about profit.

Those profits go to employing 50-100 people and to paying out 100's of thousands of dollars to posters in store rewards, bashes and conferences, and contest prizes.

Do you see SBR spending money on advertising or spending it on us mostly?

Obvious answer.

And now how many other businesses do you see around that pump so much of their promotional spend into users?

Apart from that, most complaints we deal with are never posted on the forum or news feed. Most are just handled and never heard from again. So it is difficult for you to make the call about how much work and effort SBR puts into helping people. The ones we see posting on the forum are unusual and often, sad to say, are the people more interested in getting revenge than getting help. Which is understandable in some cases, but it's not the best subset for you to be judging SBR's effectiveness or motivation to help upon.

I get that you are frustrated SBR don't seem to want much to do with Fairlay. Or wont change site ratings based on posters demanding it. But you are off base trying to start a thread crying that SBR is some sort of mercenary profit at all costs style management. It's clearly much much closer to the opposite end of that spectrum.

**littlekona** · 03-08-18, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Optional

It's a business. Of course it is about profit.

Those profits go to employing 50-100 people and to paying out 100's of thousands of dollars to posters in store rewards, bashes and conferences, and contest prizes each year.

Do you see SBR spending money on advertising or spending it on us mostly?

Obvious answer.

And now how many other businesses do you see around that pump so much of their promotional spend into users?

Apart from that, most complaints we deal with are never posted on the forum or news feed. Most are just handled and never heard from again. So it is difficult for you to make the call about how much work and effort puts into helping people. The ones we see posting on the forum are unusual and often, sad to say, are the people more interested in getting revenge than getting help. Which is understandable in some cases, but it's not the best subset for you to be judging SBR's effectiveness or motivation to help upon.

I get that you are frustrated SBR don't seem to want much to do with Fairlay. Or wont change site ratings based on posters demanding it. But you are off base trying to start a thread crying that SBR is some sort of mercenary profit at all costs style management. It's clearly much much closer to the opposite end of that spectrum.

Hi optional...Well sure Fairlay should be listed glad you mentioned....sure sbr pushes affiliates so they maximize profits but it should be fair and balanced as sbr is an advocate for players first I would hope...but there are many many posts from peeps on Nitrogen Betonline ect that just go without closure imo....like the 50$ to 4K BOL guy whom was hacked in poker or the 100btc bettor at Nitrogen who had account frozen and had that long initial posting...I’m just saying that for me I’m curious to know the resolution to threads....if it’s the books fault or the player attempts on fraud....to many times posts just drift off to never never land without updates......am i wrong?

also u say sbr don’t seem to want much to do with fairlay....if sbr is a true representation of its title sportsbookreview why not? Esp when many posters use...

**jjgold** · 03-08-18, 09:31 PM

Fairlay too small and very unproven

**shari91** · 03-08-18, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

Hi optional...Well sure Fairlay should be listed glad you mentioned....sure sbr pushes affiliates so they maximize profits but it should be fair and balanced as sbr is an advocate for players first I would hope...but there are many many posts from peeps on Nitrogen Betonline ect that just go without closure imo....like the 50$ to 4K BOL guy whom was hacked in poker or the 100btc bettor at Nitrogen who had account frozen and had that long initial posting...I’m just saying that for me I’m curious to know the resolution to threads....if it’s the books fault or the player attempts on fraud....to many times posts just drift off to never never land without updates......am i wrong?

also u say sbr don’t seem to want much to do with fairlay....if sbr is a true representation of its title sportsbookreview why not? Esp when many posters use...

The Nitrogen btc bettor never returned to SBR after that first day so there's not much to report on a couple of weeks later. When someone signs up to SBR solely to post about a sportsbook issue and doesn't return to the thread or even the forum, there isn't much for us to do.

**littlekona** · 03-08-18, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Fairlay too small and very unproven

Not sure about unproven been around for while now but if peeps use And it has recommendations from many posters should it not be at least listed and given oppportunity? Also so any issues get documented like all other books so we know? Many books on list I could argue are small or over rated....this post was not about fairlay but since u guys brought up....I think I’m fair here...I mean all books I use are on sbr listing but fairlay which I feel is as good or better in many aspects....id even like to see Asian connect added as the best agent hands down

**MJFtheGenius** · 03-08-18, 09:50 PM

You got to do your own due diligence on these books. SBR is for profit, most income comes from advertising affiliates, not the player.

start your own non-profit for the player, it might work

**MJFtheGenius** · 03-08-18, 09:52 PM

and there is no way SBR employs 50-100 people lol

**Optional** · 03-08-18, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

sbr pushes affiliates so they maximize profits

This is a misconception too.

Have you visited any other forums and noticed how they encourage or insist people sign up to whatever new book they are promoting that month?

You probably haven't seen anything like that on SBR for 5+ years, maybe more. Only when a book directly sponsors a contest is there a requirement for people to be users of the book. Unless you are American and can just use your forum ID for almost every one of those anyway.

SBR clearly does not rely on "pushing affiliates" as a strategy. I'm sure the historical referrals bring good income but the business is past having to look at that as a primary income source.

It's like that on just about every other gambling forum, so you probably just assume it must be the same here. But look around and think about it with your own brain, and you will see that is not the case.

**littlekona** · 03-08-18, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Optional

This is a misconception too.

Have you visited any other forums and noticed how they encourage or insist people sign up to whatever new book they are promoting that month?

You probably haven't seen anything like that on SBR for 5+ years, maybe more. Only when a book directly sponsors a contest is there a requirement for people to be users of the book. Unless you are American and can just use your forum ID for almost every one of those anyway.

SBR clearly does not rely on "pushing affiliates" as a strategy. I'm sure the historical referrals bring good income but the business is past having to look at that as a primary income source.

It's like that on just about every other gambling forum, so you probably just assume it must be the same here. But look around and think about it with your own brain, and you will see that is not the case.

Affilate revenue has to be huge to sbr so for them not to try to maximize profits from that revenue arm seems odd thing to say....i am all for sbr to maximize profits and push affiliates its smart business....i love sbr want them them to succeed be around long time...I am just saying that I’d like to see more closure and transparency on some posts....like the 50$ to 4K guy w poker hack on BOL was it inside job? What can we do to protect ourselves if anything....the post just died with no closure IMO.....then like Fairlay why not list them? sbr askwd over a year ago for info on them just add them to btc books as there’s plenty of peeps that use here very happy w them...fair and balanced...

**littlekona** · 03-08-18, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Fairlay too small and very unproven

Plus they have 11 mill plus in public cold wallet players funds maybe not so small and very transparent

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**VeggieDog** · 03-08-18, 11:11 PM

SBR could save a lot of money if they would cut JJ's Skittles allotment.

**Optional** · 03-08-18, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

Affilate revenue has to be huge to sbr so for them not to try to maximize profits from that revenue arm seems odd thing to say....i am all for sbr to maximize profits and push affiliates its smart business....i love sbr want them them to succeed be around long time...I am just saying that I’d like to see more closure and transparency on some posts....like the 50$ to 4K guy w poker hack on BOL was it inside job? What can we do to protect ourselves if anything....the post just died with no closure IMO.....then like Fairlay why not list them? sbr askwd over a year ago for info on them just add them to btc books as there’s plenty of peeps that use here very happy w them...fair and balanced...

Ok, you just want to be a drama queen and come back with something new instead of accepting anything I have said above. You started a thread about if SBR is for profit above players. How is this answer relevant to the responses I wasted time typing to you?

But I will answer this, "What can we do to protect ourselves if anything".

Become an SBR pro and support the site where you have seen every single problem posted about them resolved fairly.

**bubba** · 03-08-18, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Optional

It's clearly much much closer to the opposite end of that spectrum.

What about Betislands?

**Optional** · 03-08-18, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by bubba

What about Betislands?

My opinion on that would be no better than yours. I was not working here at the time.

But I can talk about how it has been run during the almost 4 years I've worked here. And every word above is truth as I see it with my own eyes.

**pimike** · 03-09-18, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Ok, you just want to be a drama queen and come back with something new instead of accepting anything I have said above. You started a thread about if SBR is for profit above players. How is this answer relevant to the responses I wasted time typing to you?

But I will answer this, "What can we do to protect ourselves if anything".

Become an SBR pro and support the site where you have seen every single problem posted about them resolved fairly.

Well said.

**Underdog5229** · 03-09-18, 02:30 AM

Yeah I Love sbr, but when I first got into sports betting I came here to look for a solid book that pays and had good bonus. Sbr listed betislands and A, and had nothi g but great things to say. Well after winning and losing over time, I scored a nice win and had over 8k on betislands. They kept pushing me off about my payout and sbr kept brushing off what was going on at betislands. We all know how it ended up, and myself along with a lot of others lost a lot of money when they closed down. I just hope sbr puts players first before the books when a books liquidity is in question before its too late again

**ouzoun** · 03-09-18, 03:06 AM

A forum must keep a balance and SBR must do the same. I m not a super pro gambler like many of you but I know that not all posters and players are innocent also.
You open 5 accounts with bookmaker X
Bookmaker X got you in the 5th account and takes your money
You then go to SBR and say that bookmaker X is a scam and you say get that banner down, you are paid by bookmaker X to cover them
If SBR doesn't support you then SBR is a scam also
Not all bookmakers are fair, but not all players are fair too. SBR is doing a great job and optional is experienced and clever. I m sceptical when I see a player speaking about the profits of a forum. Of course it is a business and your betting is a business if you place 5$ bets. That is a business too. When a player attacks the forum and not the bookmaker, it is a hidden agenda. Period.

**littlekona** · 03-09-18, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by Optional

My opinion on that would be no better than yours. I was not working here at the time.

But I can talk about how it has been run during the almost 4 years I've worked here. And every word above is truth as I see it with my own eyes.

Optional...u know i respect you and value your input this is not personal but question...why doesn't sbr management answer? Many times you have mentioned you are low on totem pole...not sure how true

but since fairly was brought up here why cant sbr answer why they are not on btc book listing? I started w fairlay because of sbr posters recommended and sbr asked year ago for input... ppl on here recommend AC too as agent and i started using love them too....but fairlay should be on list its the fair and balanced thing to do

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/search/?q=Fairlay

**yahoonino** · 03-09-18, 09:01 AM

optional you are the man on sbr,,,keep up the good work

**SBR Drew** · 03-09-18, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by littlekona

Love the forum but seems that sbr is more about profit for them then us the gamblers....so many times posts go unanswered by management outside of optional who is awesome and active here and occasionally drew who chimes in now and then...many posts esp about high rated books go without closure and requests for updating and adding new books that many of us use just get kicked down the road....time to make sbr great again as some little guy says

Quite the contrary little...We at SBR work tirelessly day after day to bring you the most dynamic site anywhere. We value the members of the forum as they are the lifeblood of SBR. We receive many questions, comments and concerns daily both private (pm) and public (posted on here). We answer each and every communication to our site as diligent and quickly as possible. Yes there are times when some things don't get handled at the speed of sound but there are many moving parts to most concerns. Maybe the person who contacted us went away on vacation and couldn't answer a question we had. Maybe the case was resolved and the person who contacted us didn't let us know. Maybe the book we contacted on the behalf of the player did not respond to us. We could be reviewing a new addition for a book but maybe it dosen't go as fast as some would like. Most people have an agenda that they want seen carried out. Our role here at SBR is to make all members experience fun and educational. The dynamic industry we all are a part of moves so fast that SBR is necessary to educate both players and non players alike. We told you all in Jan that we were going to have the best year ever...so far I would venture to say that in fact we have had one of the BEST 1st quarters of any previous year. Please be patient take a look around and see how SBR is improving in ALL areas. Who knows maybe you may see things differently.

**Courtesywipe** · 03-09-18, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

Love the forum but seems that sbr is more about profit for them then us the gamblers....so many times posts go unanswered by management outside of optional who is awesome and active here and occasionally drew who chimes in now and then...many posts esp about high rated books go without closure and requests for updating and adding new books that many of us use just get kicked down the road....time to make sbr great again as some little guy says

Opti is the Shit!

**littlekona** · 03-09-18, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by SBR drew

Quite the contrary little...We at SBR work tirelessly day after day to bring you the most dynamic site anywhere. We value the members of the forum as they are the lifeblood of SBR. We receive many questions, comments and concerns daily both private (pm) and public (posted on here). We answer each and every communication to our site as diligent and quickly as possible. Yes there are times when some things don't get handled at the speed of sound but there are many moving parts to most concerns. Maybe the person who contacted us went away on vacation and couldn't answer a question we had. Maybe the case was resolved and the person who contacted us didn't let us know. Maybe the book we contacted on the behalf of the player did not respond to us. We could be reviewing a new addition for a book but maybe it dosen't go as fast as some would like. Most people have an agenda that they want seen carried out. Our role here at SBR is to make all members experience fun and educational. The dynamic industry we all are a part of moves so fast that SBR is necessary to educate both players and non players alike. We told you all in Jan that we were going to have the best year ever...so far I would venture to say that in fact we have had one of the BEST 1st quarters of any previous year. Please be patient take a look around and see how SBR is improving in ALL areas. Who knows maybe you may see things differently.

hey drew, thanks for taking time to post...Like i said I love SBR and appreciate the info I have gotten here in forum over years and appreciate Optional esp for his inputs...I feel like I contribute to my best abilities and much with things I have experience with...Just puzzles me as a gambler on few things like why a book like Fairlay who has many many users here, is as transparent of any book i know and has been around a while doesn't get listed on BTC books list? I could see if it was just brought up but its been well over a year...Plus on closure on some posts I feel that SBR could chime in with official statement like the guy who had 4K hacked from BOL poker...I know its a business Im in sales I know you have to make good money in order to stay open and be the best player advocate source which i feel SBR is...Just some things like Fairlay esp i don't think is balanced

**littlekona** · 03-11-18, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by littlekona

hey drew, thanks for taking time to post...Like i said I love SBR and appreciate the info I have gotten here in forum over years and appreciate Optional esp for his inputs...I feel like I contribute to my best abilities and much with things I have experience with...Just puzzles me as a gambler on few things like why a book like Fairlay who has many many users here, is as transparent of any book i know and has been around a while doesn't get listed on BTC books list? I could see if it was just brought up but its been well over a year...Plus on closure on some posts I feel that SBR could chime in with official statement like the guy who had 4K hacked from BOL poker...I know its a business Im in sales I know you have to make good money in order to stay open and be the best player advocate source which i feel SBR is...Just some things like Fairlay esp i don't think is balanced

@sbr drew... never heard back can you please address why fairlay a book that’s used a lot and highly valued by many of us sbr guys is not on btc book list please? Tyvm
sbr sportsbookreview fairlay

**hotcross** · 03-11-18, 11:52 PM

Kona, you've been around long enough to know, or at least you're aware about some "scandals" with books in years gone by?

The fact SBR has not deleted this very thread shows they are allowing we players to have some form of open discussion. I think that is better than nothing...as for you pushing them for a rating....maybe they don't know the owners / and other relevant details of the site you mention.

You've helped me with my questions, as have other posters. Kinda have to sift thru posts to find the info sometimes, which I agree is time consuming and annoying for that reason. Even if a book has a "full review" on the SBR site....consider what it all means....what is more useful to you - what the actual players have to say about their experience using a certain book, or what SBR says about the book? Think about it that way.

**TONY$TACKS** · 03-12-18, 12:08 AM

They delete so many threads, and threads of WARNINGS for that part, without Reprieve
sometime they are within right due to offensive or Libel nature, but my latest post which was deleted ON bodog and theyre BLATANT LYING, AS IT RELATES TO WITHDRAWAL DELAYS ,
is Just proof, its a BUSINESS, FIRST , our gamblers concerns are clearly SECONDARY

Originally posted by littlekona

Love the forum but seems that sbr is more about profit for them then us the gamblers....so many times posts go unanswered by management outside of optional who is awesome and active here and occasionally drew who chimes in now and then...many posts esp about high rated books go without closure and requests for updating and adding new books that many of us use just get kicked down the road....time to make sbr great again as some little guy says

**BOA12** · 03-12-18, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by TONY$TACKS

They delete so many threads, and threads of WARNINGS for that part, without Reprieve
sometime they are within right due to offensive or Libel nature, but my latest post which was deleted ON bodog and theyre BLATANT LYING, AS IT RELATES TO WITHDRAWAL DELAYS ,
is Just proof, its a BUSINESS, FIRST , our gamblers concerns are clearly SECONDARY

Nobody likes the truth when negative about them, even SBR.

**raiders72001** · 03-12-18, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Optional

It's a business. Of course it is about profit.

Those profits go to employing 50-100 people and to paying out 100's of thousands of dollars to posters in store rewards, bashes and conferences, and contest prizes.

Do you see SBR spending money on advertising or spending it on us mostly?

Obvious answer.

And now how many other businesses do you see around that pump so much of their promotional spend into users?

Apart from that, most complaints we deal with are never posted on the forum or news feed. Most are just handled and never heard from again. So it is difficult for you to make the call about how much work and effort SBR puts into helping people. The ones we see posting on the forum are unusual and often, sad to say, are the people more interested in getting revenge than getting help. Which is understandable in some cases, but it's not the best subset for you to be judging SBR's effectiveness or motivation to help upon.

I get that you are frustrated SBR don't seem to want much to do with Fairlay. Or wont change site ratings based on posters demanding it. But you are off base trying to start a thread crying that SBR is some sort of mercenary profit at all costs style management. It's clearly much much closer to the opposite end of that spectrum.

good info. I'm at SBR because of my passion for bitcoin and stay there most of the time.

**raiders72001** · 03-12-18, 02:07 AM

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**raiders72001** · 03-12-18, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by littlekona

this post was not about fairlay

c'mon man. And the hot wallet, cold wallet one wasn't about Fairlay either? Somehow Fairlay gets in every thread you start. Nitrogen's the king of the bitcoin books. It's good to see them here.

**Barrakuda** · 03-12-18, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Optional

It's a business. Of course it is about profit.

Those profits go to employing 50-100 people and to paying out 100's of thousands of dollars to posters in store rewards, bashes and conferences, and contest prizes.

Do you see SBR spending money on advertising or spending it on us mostly?

Obvious answer.

And now how many other businesses do you see around that pump so much of their promotional spend into users?

Apart from that, most complaints we deal with are never posted on the forum or news feed. Most are just handled and never heard from again. So it is difficult for you to make the call about how much work and effort SBR puts into helping people. The ones we see posting on the forum are unusual and often, sad to say, are the people more interested in getting revenge than getting help. Which is understandable in some cases, but it's not the best subset for you to be judging SBR's effectiveness or motivation to help upon.

I get that you are frustrated SBR don't seem to want much to do with Fairlay. Or wont change site ratings based on posters demanding it. But you are off base trying to start a thread crying that SBR is some sort of mercenary profit at all costs style management. It's clearly much much closer to the opposite end of that spectrum.

Do moderators get any kind of commissions on referred accounts?