"listed pitchers" wager dispute

[bubba]

I wagered with sportsbetting.ag total strikeout prop on wade miley yesterday. After the placement of the wager, the rays changed their pitcher. Miley still starting but new pitcher for the rays (this was done a few minutes before game started.) Should the wager on Miley have action? I have pasted there MLB prop rules below.

I like the way 5dimes does it of having the names of the pitchers needed to pitch on ticket of every baseball bet placed to limit dispute. But thats neither here nor there.

MLB Props:

• All MLB props are official after 9 full innings or 8½ if the home team is winning. In all player props, the pitcher/player must either throw one pitch or have one plate appearance in the designated game for the wager to have action.
• Runs + Hits + Errors - Both listed pitchers must start. The game must go 9 full innings or 8½ if the home team is winning. Extra innings count.
• Total strikeouts - The game must go 9 full innings or 8½ if the home team is winning. Shortened games, while official for MLB purposes, are not official for this prop.
• Team to score first - Becomes official once a team has scored.
• Will there be a score in the 1st inning - First inning must be completed to have action.
• Most total bases - This wager will be official after 9 innings or 8½ if the home team is winning. Extra innings count.
• Team Totals - Both listed pitchers must start. The game must go 9 full innings or 8½ if the home team is winning. Extra innings count.
• Adjusted / Alternative Runlines - Both listed pitchers must start. The game must go 9 full innings or 8½ if the home team is winning. Extra innings count.
• All Props are always listed pitchers, no exceptions.
• All Props are graded after the game is final.

[Alfa1234]

• All Props are always listed pitchers, no exceptions.

Seems pretty clear, no action.

[Optional]

What Alfa said ^^^

How did they grade it?

[bubba]

What Alfa said ^^^

How did they grade it?

They graded it as a loss. Extremely frustrating and disappointing dealing with them over this.

"As we stated before the wager states as it is. Not further action will be taken."

[Optional]

Shoot in a Sportsbook Complaint with your account # and SBR should be able to ask a manager to have a closer look.

[bubba]

Shoot in a Sportsbook Complaint with your account # and SBR should be able to ask a manager to have a closer look.

I did that a few hours ago.

[BigOrange]

I rarely bet props and i could be way off on this but it makes sense that a prop bet on an individual pitcher (Over/Under on strikeouts) would have action if he started the game. Now if it was a match up bet (one pitcher to have more strikeouts than the other) then it would make sense that both listed pitchers would have to start for the bet to have action.

I don't see how the listed opposing pitcher not starting has any affect on the bet that you made.

[Optional]

I rarely bet props and i could be way off on this but it makes sense that a prop bet on an individual pitcher (Over/Under on strikeouts) would have action if he started the game. Now if it was a match up bet (one pitcher to have more strikeouts than the other) then it would make sense that both listed pitchers would have to start for the bet to have action.

I don't see how the listed opposing pitcher not starting has any affect on the bet that you made.

I'd say this is exactly why the grading issue is coming up to start with.

Rules do say all props are listed pitchers, No Exceptions, though. This is a prop and listed pitchers did not start.

[bubba]

I rarely bet props and i could be way off on this but it makes sense that a prop bet on an individual pitcher (Over/Under on strikeouts) would have action if he started the game. Now if it was a match up bet (one pitcher to have more strikeouts than the other) then it would make sense that both listed pitchers would have to start for the bet to have action.


I don't see how the listed opposing pitcher not starting has any affect on the bet that you made.

Thats a fair point and a reason for making the rules that only 1 pitcher matters. But thats not what their rules state. Dont we have to go bv the rules? Similar to team totals i guess you are saying. Which there rules also state both pitchers matter. Feel free to change any and all rules. Just not after a wager is placed and certainly not after its over!

[BigOrange]

I'm always for the player and I hope it gets changed for Bubba. I just think since it was a prop bet on one pitcher and that listed pitcher did start, it makes sense that the bet would stand. I don't think it needs to be both listed pitchers here since his bet was only on one pitcher and his listed pitcher did start.

At least maybe this will make them write their rules more clearly so there's no confusion or hard feelings on either side.

[klemopixx]

I'm always for the player and I hope it gets changed for Bubba. I just think since it was a prop bet on one pitcher and that listed pitcher did start, it makes sense that the bet would stand. I don't think it needs to be both listed pitchers here since his bet was only on one pitcher and his listed pitcher did start
At least maybe this will make them write their rules more clearly so there's no confusion or hard feelings on either side.

^^^ What he said ^^^

[bubba]

I'm always for the player and I hope it gets changed for Bubba. I just think since it was a prop bet on one pitcher and that listed pitcher did start, it makes sense that the bet would stand. I don't think it needs to be both listed pitchers here since his bet was only on one pitcher and his listed pitcher did start.


At least maybe this will make them write their rules more clearly so there's no confusion or hard feelings on either side.

slippery slope going with what you think rule should be vs what the rule is. Why would this be any differnt than team totals where both have to start? Rules are there. If i bet the over on a game and it gets rained out in the 8th inning its a push whether over or under was a lock.

Directly from there website is below. I dont know how this can be any more clear. no exceptions. no exceptions. no exceptions. They are trying to make an exception.

• All Props are always listed pitchers, no exceptions.

[Waterstpub87]

I hope the situation gets resolved in your favor.

However, if the prop was only Miley's strikeouts only, why would both listed pitchers have to start?

Its kind of lawyerize to demand it, especially in an AL game, where pitchers don't bat. If I had the bet the otherway, and they voided it, I would flip out.

[HedgeHog]

Definitely have to go by the stated rules--no action. Just like when you bet the over in a baseball game and the score is 10-8 in the 8th--only to be shortened by rain. The bet is canceled even though it should logically be a win. It may not seem right but those are clearly the written rules.

[TT22]

Sportsbetting.ag support is mostly useless, when they've done something wrong and you need it corrected. They will just send some crap answer without addressing your argument. Even when they say they've escalated it to a manager, it's the same answer.

Recently got shorted $170 dollars on a 5k Bitcoin withdrawal. They just kept saying they sent to full amount and that they're not responsible for price moves. I explained to them in detail why they are wrong in this case and showed them screenshots. Takes 20 seconds to check the Bitcoin price for a particular day and see, if they are right or wrong, but I guess customer is always wrong there. Beware.

Good luck bubba, hope this gets sorted for you.

[ace7550]

They graded it as a loss. Extremely frustrating and disappointing dealing with them over this.

Sorry for the misunderstanding but did they grade it as "no action" or as a loss?

[stackz125]

Sorry for the misunderstanding but did they grade it as "no action" or as a loss?

Not to be a djck but he said

"They graded it as a LOSS"

[evo34]

However, if the prop was only Miley's strikeouts only, why would both listed pitchers have to start?

Because the rules explicitly say so: "All Props are always listed pitchers, no exceptions."

[bubba]

havent heard from sbr or sportsbetting.ag since filing complaint 21+ hours ago. will keep thread posted.

And just for the record, I have had them cancel wagers on me in the past for some pretty obscure things. Its not like they have a tendency for "letting rules slide". Rules are the rules. I am not asking for more than the posted rules to be followed.

[SBR Forum]

Hi bubba,

We've asked Sportsbetting.ag to take a look, thank you for sharing.

[bubba]

The wager has been properly refunded to my account. Thank you sbr for the help in getting this right.

[SBR Forum]

The wager has been properly refunded to my account. Thank you sbr for the help in getting this right.

Thanks for updating the forum.

[bubba]

Another wager graded wrong by sportsbetting/betonline last night. The 3rd one in the last week. Im sure it will get fixed, but the most frustrating part is the "24 hours" time they ask to look into it. And they almost always take all that time (or longer). I guess its my own fault. I know the drill and continue to give them my action. But fixing this mistake should take 10 minutes tops but I will expect to go 20+ hours.

[ace7550]

What was the mistake this time?

[bubba]

was just fixed. they graded a hits+runs+errors prop wrongly. glad it got fixed semi reasonably (i notified them last night so about 12 hours) but i hate the idea that i need to watch my account like a hawk to make sure everything is graded correctly.

[betakos]

OMG!

[soxwin1917]

was just fixed. they graded a hits+runs+errors prop wrongly. glad it got fixed semi reasonably (i notified them last night so about 12 hours) but i hate the idea that i need to watch my account like a hawk to make sure everything is graded correctly.

Of course you need to watch your account. Do you trust the bank or do you check your account? Same thing.

[bubba]

Of course you need to watch your account. Do you trust the bank or do you check your account? Same thing.

Yes I watch my bank account. But they have never shorted me more than a 25 "maintenance fee" that should not have been charged. Not 4 figures in a week that would be missing from my account if i wasnt active. Plus when I informed them of the fee being charged, they refunded it and apolgized all within 5 minutes. No 3rd party was needed. Big differences here.

[bubba]

Here we go again. another wager graded wrongly. Thats fine! It happens but it shouldnt happen. But they need 24 hours again to resolve it. should take 5 minutes. maybe 1/2 hours if the book is slow. very frustrating to deal with them.

[bubba]

fixed. day of. while they quoted the usual 24 hour time frame, first time they have fixed a wrong wager day of me informing them.

[SportsMushroom]

sounds like they are freerolling players


they make 'mistakes', if a player notices they fix it and apologize, im sure there are tons that dont check and they get to keep the money


especially on these exotics that need effort to check if they won or lost, there are probably many too lazy to check

sounds like a book to stay away from


reminds me of 5dimes that keeps posting off lines, and if you lose they keep the money, if you win they claim bad line and cancel your wager

[bubba]

sounds like they are freerolling players


they make 'mistakes', if a player notices they fix it and apologize, im sure there are tons that dont check and they get to keep the money


especially on these exotics that need effort to check if they won or lost, there are probably many too lazy to check

sounds like a book to stay away from


reminds me of 5dimes that keeps posting off lines, and if you lose they keep the money, if you win they claim bad line and cancel your wager

I am not accusing them of that. But if you are gonna be sloppy, at least treat the customer correctly when they call you out for it. Tonight was fine (besides being told to wait 24 hours which tilts the hell out of me everytime. )

[ronald]

Glad to see sportsbetting.ag did the right thing here.