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Another day of NFL
I love Football.....Time to get in the action....
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Hey its Monday again and if you deposit today you get an additional 5% freeplay bonus to your account....
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wohooooo!!!!! Do you take Latin Amercian Customers?Comment -
We take players from all over the world sir and if you are interested just send me a message or come on the live chat........ I would be glad to assist you in any way I can ....Originally posted by acarmelo1
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Here we go ... I was wondering why Bet911 are rated D+...
I have been betting at Bet911 for 3 weeks and lost about $6k.
After winning a couple of bets in the past few days I noticed today that my account was limited to $50 per bet. I contacted Customer service who advised me that I got limited because I m betting on bad lines & also because "I am a pro" ... I v been in this game long enough to know what is a bad line is - I NEVER touch bad lines!... and thanks for the complement of being a PRO – if I was such a pro I wouldn’t have lost $6000.
Carl, I have a lot of respect for you and I really thought that here was an honorable guy who was going out of his way to please clients and I really thought that you were going to make a difference at bet911... but it seems to be hard when the core of the business is bad? are you like the rest of the D rated books looking for losing customers only ? Well you found one - I lost over $6,000 ? is that not enough? Let me withdraw & I am out of there.
I am not a $50 bettor and not even $250 does it for me (which Robert increased me to after my chat with him… doing me a big favor…) I lost complete interest in Bet911! Please let me go… you know my Moneybookers account.
Sorry Carl – you are a good guy but it seems that even you cannot make the difference at Bet911.
Ps. I wanted to send a Private Message before posting it here but it seem that you setting here does not allow a PM.Comment -
Hi Nitzantal,
When i first joined Bet911 i placed my first bet of $1000, immediately i was limited to $500. I spoke with Carl and he sorted it out so my limits would stay at $1000.
I hope you get this sorted as limiting a guy to $50 who has lost $6000 is poor. If anyone can sort it though, it will be Carl.Comment -
Give Carl a chance to reply... It might be an automatic thing for some reason...Comment -
For Carl not to respond by this time of the day means - they are having a hell of an argument there ? the clash between the Good & Evil... the good always win at the end but not always in the first round.
This will be a major milestone deternening the future of Bet911 in my view... (i.e. either they will remain in th D category or make a breakthrough to the B level)
This their biggest REAL test todate.Comment -
I got limited to 50 also few days ago...Comment -
If they deem a customer unprofitable, then I'd rather they lower the limits than eventually go bankrupt because of it. As we all know, the fact that you lost $6k is no indication of the future; if you were beating them to steam and just playing scalpable lines, then they know they'll lose to you eventually. They might be willing to pay $50/$250 for that information, but not $1000.Comment -
Originally posted by Santo
Santo - I presume your are working for a bookmaker.
Pinnacel, The Greek & Cris will not worry about limiting as they would rather worry about running an efficient business/lines rather than worry about a couple of smart players who may win or not win a few $ from them. that is why theu rated A ant not D.
In fact they are running their lines so effciently that they use these smart player to their advantage... and if they get caught once with a bad line no big deal... it is insignificant in the big scheme of things.Comment -
Sorry I was so late in answering your post.....Originally posted by nitzantal
to answer your concerns I will do everything that I can and have just had an argument with the powers that be and I will get you back up to your regular limits.. the problem comes from you hitting us on soft lines and the line , manager has lowered you due to this...we have to protect ourselves to continue to give our players the service that they deserve...but we still need to be careful...I hope you understand this....
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Making these limit changes is not my call and I will always do what I can to make your experience better here...Its not because you win or lose its because, when a player is hitting steam they will eventually win big and it could jeoperdize our shop and we don't want that!Originally posted by themajormt We plan to be here for a very long time and to accomplish this we must safeguard ourselves...
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Yes it has been a battle here ...but we do what we can to make it better for all of you...if we want to be here in the future we must safeguard ourselves from these type of players...we will make it to a B rating eventually and hope that you are all here to partake with us when that happens...Originally posted by UV82
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Originally posted by Santo
Santo, I want to thank you for helping them understand our situation regarding these types of plays...If you play steam or soft numbers at any sportsbook you will find that they will limit your play as well regardless of whether they are a C, B or A book...so its not that we are doing anything wrong its just that we have to take care of ourselves in order to be here in the future.... "at any rating"...we will get to the B level soon and hope that you all understand where we are coming from....
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Perhaps you are right that some of the larger books might turn a blind eye to these plays, but we are a smaller book and can't take that chance "yet"...we are working on accomodating all player the best we can!...Foe the time being we will need to have these limitations...Originally posted by UV82
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Everytime a player gets limited on their plays please remember that it is a temporary situation and you will be put back on your regular limits once they determine that you are trying to stay away from steam and soft lines...so please be patient and contact me when you have these issues ...I will work with you on having you limits returned to you...but you need to prove yourself to the lines manager so that he can make a determination in your favor....Thank you for your understanding our situation and I will alway be there for you when you need me....
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I don't work for a bookmaker, I've just been around this industry for long enough to know what happens when you throw up soft numbers and let people freely have at them. Pinnacle, Greek and CRIS probably have more people watching the lines than Bet911 might have in the whole organisation, and thus move quickly, which is why they would rarely be on the +EV side of a scalp.Originally posted by UV82Comment -
I understand completely and appreciate your help with getting the posters to understand our situation...and although we have six people on the lines they sometimes can't move them fast enough to avoid being hit on those steam or soft numbers..Originally posted by Santo
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re: Cferrat...**/** question
Do you have a 1 free moneygram or ** withdrawl per month? Some of the fees for these books are getting a little excessive;Comment -
Carl, am I correct to assume that you lost the battle? or else what is the conclusion of all this ?Comment -
Nitzan I was told that your account was originally put at 50 per wager , now you told them you would not do it again and they brought you up to 250 and if you don't do it again then we will be able to bring yback up to regular limits within a week...thats the best that I can do....Thanks for understanding and sorry for the inconvenience!Originally posted by nitzantalComment -
Do what again ? I have done absolutely nothing wrong ... I don’t do bad lines ... and I v been in the game too long to know the difference. Lines before the start of a game start move sometimes quickly and I may take your odds rather than others because they are better at the time... if my style of betting does not suite your lines manager because I bet on something before he had a chance to change a line, I fully understand, but let me withdraw my balance and I m out of your life for good.Originally posted by Cferrat
Nitzan I was told that your account was originally put at 50 per wager , now you told them you would not do it again and they brought you up to 250 and if you don't do it again then we will be able to bring yback up to regular limits !
If you want to discuss this in private ... you know my email (I don’t know yours) ... but whatever the case may be, lets resolve this amicablyComment -
Things looked too good to be true for a D rated book... the true colors of Bet911 are starting to emerge. I thought it would be a good idea to adopt the wait and see policy before signing up with them ... and I was right.
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This question might be a bit basic and it's really only because it's been mentioned in this thread that I'm asking as I've enjoyed Bet911 so far, but how would I know if my bet was "betting steam". I do a little research and pick what I want to bet on and then I try to find good odds (ones that are clearly not wrong) or bet with a bonus on my side but if I don't sit there for hours and see price movements (which I don't), how can I tell?
I had a few winning bets at a place called Beted and all the odds were worse than I could have bet elsewhere and a considerable time before the events started and I was put on $50 limits to complete $3000 of rollover. I assume that can't be betting steam can it? More just because I won? I honestly don't know.Comment -
Originally posted by headgames
The people that are caught doing it are using a lines browser like Don Best to see when a line moves and they try to get it before it moves at whichever sportsbook has not moved it...so you can play whatever you want headgames and will never have a problem , but once a player is seen moving on steam they will give him the benefit of the doubt...until he does it constantly...then he's going to have his limits moved lower... this is a temporary situation and will revert to normal limits once they stop...we don't mind that you guys/gals win at all!!We want you to win if its on the up and up...the losers pay the winners ...thats the way a sportsbook works..that why we move the lines..to get equal action on the game...so no matter who wins ..losers will pay the winners...simple.Comment -
Carl with all due respect - every player has his sources of information of making 'wise decision' as to his/her bet selection and timing thereof ... it is the books role to maintain his lines uptodate with the market trends ... if you are not fast enough then you are not well equiped to do that and you cannot blame a smart player for taking advantage of your lines which are not being uptodate.Comment -
I agree and if it happens then its acceptable but if it happens on a regular basis then thats another thing altogether....we have six people moving lines and they are good at what they do, but they are human and make mistakes...like we all do... so its not a matter of playing wise its a matter of betting steam.Originally posted by UV82
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Still havent heard from Carl - set me free... pleaseComment -
Almost every book limits players if they only bet steam... Bet Phoenix who is HUGE limits players if all they do is bet steam. Bet911 is not a pro book guys, if they were they wouldnt offer the bonuses that they do. Use common sense here... You cannot expect a smaller, recreational based book, to allow steam chasers. If his plays werent ALL steam and just occasional, Carl stated it wouldnt be a problem, but if he is hitting steam for the MAX all the time. He is a pro player and would be limited anywhere besides Pinnacle and Bookmaker.
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Wait a minute .
911 should advertise we want JOE Shmoe losers here .
And if you deposit 10-20 K and lose half or more of your deposit ,we will cut your limits to $50 that way you will never get your money back .
And what is the soft lines? We don't put them out . Books do . Then they should have a rule for it (+4.5 don't bet this game
we will cut you off ,take -4.5 and if you win we will accuse you of been soft line bettor ) And what if i beat them on so called "Hard lines " they can easily accuse me that i was betting soft lines or been PRO BETTOR .Books are the one who defines this lines soft ,hard . In order not to pay you ,or screw you over . Some of you had guts to come out and defend 911.
What is the player done wrong here ? Donated 6K to the shady book . That gave him no fare chance to get it back.
Most of us define our self's as a PRO right . We say to our self "I know what i am doing " i can beat them . 911 just gave you a pill " PRO" tried to beat us . Most of swallowed with a smile . What are you expecting for the guy to come out and say NO i am not a PRO i lost 200 k in the last 3 years . Well i don't know if he is a Pro or Not it actually doesn't matter . They could of stop him after 2-3 bets . Right and drop his limits .
Cferrat is battling top management for the player rights . Poster above mentioned Good vs Evil . Good will win . I hope .
Are you out of your mind ?
This is the business model . Cferrat gets paid to hang around SBR . You think he is doing it on his spare time ???
Maybe if the presser from above way too high . You know Cferrat from high school ?
From what i see the player got ****ed .
How long 911 is been around ? Book going out of business right after Super Ball sounds familiar . I am not saying 911 will . But i wouldn't take my chances .
Nitzan my advice !!! what ever left in your account take it out .
Where is guarantee that if you win (get you money back) that they will pay .
They might accuse you of been soft line PRO bettor at the best you will see your deposit credited back , i doubt .
As i said before this is the business model .
PLS excuse for my grammar English is nor my 1st language .Comment -
PS.And how many bets did he made that they came to conclusion "he is the soft line bettor" IF HE IS ,it would require at least 100 -300 bets . Looks like the player got bad streak and they jump on it to cut him off just to make sure he will never get his money back. For Pinny,Greek ,5Dimes 6 k is nothing . But this guys are all over his "Pro" ass.
Randomly with few bets , I would say at least one out 10 will fall in this category .
If i were you i would start trend " Don't give 911 a cent "
Get the rest of you money out and start over with A book .
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Vitalyo - first time in a long time that I hear someone with some sense and energy which I like
well said Vitalyo - I second every word.
Themajormt, which bookies are you working for ? I nearly started crying when you told us how considerate we should be towards those poor, little, weak, fragile bookies. All of sudden we clients need to defend the weak Bookmakers… shame … I m choking from tears … they are the weak ones and we the clients are the strong ones ripping them off, catching them with bad lines, right, themajormt?
if they a run business they should master their game better than their clients… they have the money, they have the muscle and they should be on tops of their game … what is this crap with ‘we only cater for recreational player’ – you mean you only cater for customers who lose money, right? Winners are not welcome… try and tell that loudly to the public and see if anyone signs up with you.
Themajormt, if they don’t make money they will not be in business so we must make sure that we lose so that they stay in business… I haven’t heard so much bulldust in my life …you are not really serious are you Themajormt? Ask any gambler:”Mr Gambler when you place a bet with a Bookmaker don’t you really hope that it loses so that the Bookmakers stays in business?” guys you are out of yr mind… and the fact that even BetPhoenix and many other books do that … does it make it right ???
Carl recruits people here and on other professional forums, what does he think that he will find only recreational players? If that is what he is after he must say that … and if not this thread will reveal the truth.
If you read between the lines you can understand that Carl is not happy either with what’s going on … because he is really a good guy and in IMO he will be out of 911 in no time, he is miles above them and he is not a match for them… but Carl will have the following wherever he goes because he is the agent of good and the other people at 911 are the agents of evil… after all they are not rated D for no reason.
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I m not betting there at the moment because I m scared that every bet I take they will say it is a STEAM - BTW this the first time I hear this term ... now at least I know what I am ... A PRO STEAM BETTOR.
I v got a balance $2400 there which I d like to withdraw but Carl is not making contact with me to arrange this... I lost $6K there - I m not interested betting $50 or even $250 with a book that feels that every bet I take is potentially a bad line ... not a good feeling ... and I d like to end this amicably manner and get my money out (I know that there is a roll to complete which they will have to forgive me as I have no intention of doing with such a low limit - it is a torture... in any case they won enough from me and perhaps it would be wise of them to let me go while they are up)
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