Betonline.ag dishonest and poor customer service contributed to losing over $10k

[blowjoe2020]

Right, I'm sorry to hear that. While the idiot keeps on and on about "addiction" we can say that we know it is a mistake to ever play and win when you can't get an immediate payout. Because it is just numbers on a computer screen until you get the money. You probably haven't even sen't any money in and gambled since this happened. How the hell can that idiot call that an addiction? LOL Addicts steal stuff and pawn stuff and cant stop for even ONE DAY.
He said he read my post but obviously he didn't! He's to busy making wrong assumptions about people he doesn't even know. He says I am "deluding myself" when I plainly said that I KNOW I would go to the casino at some point IF I didn't get an immediate payout on my wins! Hell I might double the amount and THEN get a payout! The whole point is when you or me or anyone else leaves money in an account, then it is just a mouse click away from being gambled, and possibly lost.
How the hell do you call somebody an addict that may not even gamble for a month? LOL That's like him telling somebody that does drugs once a month that they are addicted! LOL Not for the 29 days a month that they DON'T do drugs, but just for the day that they did them, they were addicted to them! LOL That's not the definition of an addict. Neither is not being able to stop losing ONLY when you have money in a gambling account! LOL Under that logic, I guess we are just addicted WHEN we have money in an account that we didn't get paid out! LOL That's idiotic and NOT the definition of an addict! That is FAR from being an addict! An addict would not be able to stop himself until he lost all his money and all his assets like drug addicts. Then an addict woud lie and cheat and steal and gamble all that he lied and cheated and stole!
LOL What we are talking about is not addiction! You said you had a job and a lot of money. It is being able to stay off a computer for a week or two when we have money in an account that we are talking about. And if this idiot says that he could just leave a 1000 dollars in his account and NEVER go to the casino & gamble it, then when the hell would he ever get a payout anyway? LOL Would he just leave his money in there until his "addiction" made him bet a football game one saturday? LOL THAT'S NOT ADDICTION!
What we are talking about is when you have a 1000 or (TEN thou in your case), and you begin to lose in the casino, then you keep on trying to "get it back" until you either get it back or you lose it all. If the guy says he could have 1000 in an account and lose 100 of it down to $900 on casino and then just say "that's it, I quit, I'm not losing any more than 100" Then I'd call him a flat out liar!
BUT even if he could do that, then if he didn't get a payout immediately then he's an idiot, and it would be a day or two & the $900 would be down to $800 and then he could say "that's it, I quit again" LOL When the hell does he get his money out? THAT IS THE POINT!
He is missing the point that leaving money in a gambling account is a literal ticking time bomb!
You may win up to $10000 like you did, or even more, but if you don't get it out, then you COULD or MIGHT end up losing it all.
What the hell does any of that have to do with addiction? LOL Nothing. It's just a fact!
So keep trying to get those wins out. Because if you don't then it means NOTHING but potential heartache if you dump it all off one night!
Take care.

[blowjoe2020]

I just saw your last post, I totally agree, let's see if the guy says that he CAN leave money in an account and not gamble it all away if he starts losing. Like I said, I'd think he was flat out lying if he said that! But #2 would be HOW MANY TIMES WOULD HE STOP HIMSELF FROM LOSING IT ALL BEFORE HE GOT A PAYOUT! LOL 5, 10 times? Our WHOLE point is to NOT ever have to try & stop ourselves from losing if we start losing! Our point is to get the money out BEFORE we ever have that urge to go into the casino! We may win, we may lose, but we'd just simply rather NOT do it at all and get the money paid out instead!
So lets see if the idiot can only criticize others that he doesn't know, or if he can practice any admittance of his own about what happens when MOST of us start losing in the casino on a computer screen. Because all we are trying to do is make sure we don't let the sportsbooks get a shot at our wins when we get lucky enough to win! And leaving money in an online gambling account instead of getting a payout is almost gambling suicide to EVERY one of us!!
And THAT is what me & you are talking about here! If he disagrees with that then wHEN the hell does he suggest getting a payout? LOL
After the tenth time that he controls his losses? LOL

[Alfa1234]

Guys, you should accept the fact that Luctens has some very strong opinions...but that no amount of arguing, facts or other opinions based on real experience/knowledge will ever change his mind. All that usually happens is you end up going over the same things over and over again while getting frustrated in the process.

[blowjoe2020]

Right alpha, but the idiot didn't frustrate either me or the original poster! And that is because while we read his goofy idiotic crap, we were both only interested in making sure that we don't leave big wins in a gambling account! I konw it is 4:41 in the morning and if I had any money in an account I'd prob. go gamble it right now. I might win, I might lose, but if it was wins, and I hadn't cashed them out yet, then when I got through, my balance would just be a bigger or smaller number on a computer screen. Which means absolutely nothing until I got a payout!
Some idiot making stupid comments didn't bother either one of us when we knew what the thread was really about!
Take care.

[luctens]

Luctens - I've seen your posts on a lot of other threads and the common theme seems to be you talking about a gaming problem or being negative towards what others are saying in their posts. As someone who had accepted and acknowledged they have a gambling problem, some of the most helpful feedback I have received has been from others who have gone through a similar experience.

I have asked you point blank before and you haven't answered, and instead want to stay I and others are delusional or stupid, but do you have experience in the matter you keep commenting on as it pertains to how you personally deal with casino gambling vs. other forms?

It seems like you have some very strong opinions and are ready to jump in and make some broad assumptions about other people, but im wondering if you have some personal experience that would help make what you're saying more relevant?

It's like you just want to argue and tell others what they shouldn't do for the sake of just arguing. In your last comment you say that I would just delude myself and go on a path of finding another online casino to use. If that were the case then I would've had to cash out $10k+ then find another on line casino site and and deposit over $10k+ there and lose it. Given my own limits with BTC that I know (and you don't) that would mean I would have to lose $400 per week for 25 weeks in a row to achieve what you're saying would happen if I went on a run but "deluded myself" and inevitably found another casino to use.

Obviously I went through a bad spurt here and regret what I did and acknowledge 100% I need to address the compulsiveness I experience during big runs. On the other hand, admittedly I am really interested in why you keep posting here and other threads where it seems like maybe you have some own issues you need to address.

You just seem like an angry dude who has their own issues. If you've got some wisdom and personal experience here though...please let me me know. That is why I posted in the first place.

You asked me in post 14 if I've ever had a problem with this, and I clearly said on post 22, "I've never had a problem with addiction but I don't need to have had a problem with addiction to know that the only solution is to this is for you give up all forms of gambling", so as I said I have never had a problem with addiction at all, so do read through the posts before posting such crap.

As I said before, I don't need to have had a problem with addiction to be able to comment on this issue. All it takes is common sense to know that whilst you're still around sports betting and poker etc, you will inevitably always fall back into your addiction to casino games at some point. That really is such a clear and obvious thing for anybody to see, but obviously you're in denial and deluding yourself into stupidly trying to convince yourself otherwise.

Now you're trying to say that your Bitcoin limits will save you from catastrophe on an online casino. Again, you're deluding yourself. Inevitably when your addiction wins over, you will find a way to get onto casino games, because that's what addicts do, they find some way to feed their addiction. So when your addiction finally wins over, you will either get so desperate that you cash out your Bitcoin from your Bitcoin account into your bank account or whatever where you can then deposit by card into an online casino, or you will find some other way to get your hands on some money to feed your addiction, because that's what addicts do, they get desperate, and they find some way to feed their addiction. And anybody with any simple common sense can see that whilst you are still around any form of gambling, the time that you fall off the wagon back onto casino games is not a question of if it will happen, it's simply a question of when it will happen.

[luctens]

Right, I'm sorry to hear that. While the idiot keeps on and on about "addiction" we can say that we know it is a mistake to ever play and win when you can't get an immediate payout. Because it is just numbers on a computer screen until you get the money. You probably haven't even sen't any money in and gambled since this happened. How the hell can that idiot call that an addiction? LOL Addicts steal stuff and pawn stuff and cant stop for even ONE DAY.
He said he read my post but obviously he didn't! He's to busy making wrong assumptions about people he doesn't even know. He says I am "deluding myself" when I plainly said that I KNOW I would go to the casino at some point IF I didn't get an immediate payout on my wins! Hell I might double the amount and THEN get a payout! The whole point is when you or me or anyone else leaves money in an account, then it is just a mouse click away from being gambled, and possibly lost.
How the hell do you call somebody an addict that may not even gamble for a month? LOL That's like him telling somebody that does drugs once a month that they are addicted! LOL Not for the 29 days a month that they DON'T do drugs, but just for the day that they did them, they were addicted to them! LOL That's not the definition of an addict. Neither is not being able to stop losing ONLY when you have money in a gambling account! LOL Under that logic, I guess we are just addicted WHEN we have money in an account that we didn't get paid out! LOL That's idiotic and NOT the definition of an addict! That is FAR from being an addict! An addict would not be able to stop himself until he lost all his money and all his assets like drug addicts. Then an addict woud lie and cheat and steal and gamble all that he lied and cheated and stole!
LOL What we are talking about is not addiction! You said you had a job and a lot of money. It is being able to stay off a computer for a week or two when we have money in an account that we are talking about. And if this idiot says that he could just leave a 1000 dollars in his account and NEVER go to the casino & gamble it, then when the hell would he ever get a payout anyway? LOL Would he just leave his money in there until his "addiction" made him bet a football game one saturday? LOL THAT'S NOT ADDICTION!
What we are talking about is when you have a 1000 or (TEN thou in your case), and you begin to lose in the casino, then you keep on trying to "get it back" until you either get it back or you lose it all. If the guy says he could have 1000 in an account and lose 100 of it down to $900 on casino and then just say "that's it, I quit, I'm not losing any more than 100" Then I'd call him a flat out liar!
BUT even if he could do that, then if he didn't get a payout immediately then he's an idiot, and it would be a day or two & the $900 would be down to $800 and then he could say "that's it, I quit again" LOL When the hell does he get his money out? THAT IS THE POINT!
He is missing the point that leaving money in a gambling account is a literal ticking time bomb!
You may win up to $10000 like you did, or even more, but if you don't get it out, then you COULD or MIGHT end up losing it all.
What the hell does any of that have to do with addiction? LOL Nothing. It's just a fact!
So keep trying to get those wins out. Because if you don't then it means NOTHING but potential heartache if you dump it all off one night!
Take care.

I just saw your last post, I totally agree, let's see if the guy says that he CAN leave money in an account and not gamble it all away if he starts losing. Like I said, I'd think he was flat out lying if he said that! But #2 would be HOW MANY TIMES WOULD HE STOP HIMSELF FROM LOSING IT ALL BEFORE HE GOT A PAYOUT! LOL 5, 10 times? Our WHOLE point is to NOT ever have to try & stop ourselves from losing if we start losing! Our point is to get the money out BEFORE we ever have that urge to go into the casino! We may win, we may lose, but we'd just simply rather NOT do it at all and get the money paid out instead!
So lets see if the idiot can only criticize others that he doesn't know, or if he can practice any admittance of his own about what happens when MOST of us start losing in the casino on a computer screen. Because all we are trying to do is make sure we don't let the sportsbooks get a shot at our wins when we get lucky enough to win! And leaving money in an online gambling account instead of getting a payout is almost gambling suicide to EVERY one of us!!
And THAT is what me & you are talking about here! If he disagrees with that then wHEN the hell does he suggest getting a payout? LOL
After the tenth time that he controls his losses? LOL

Right alpha, but the idiot didn't frustrate either me or the original poster! And that is because while we read his goofy idiotic crap, we were both only interested in making sure that we don't leave big wins in a gambling account! I konw it is 4:41 in the morning and if I had any money in an account I'd prob. go gamble it right now. I might win, I might lose, but if it was wins, and I hadn't cashed them out yet, then when I got through, my balance would just be a bigger or smaller number on a computer screen. Which means absolutely nothing until I got a payout!
Some idiot making stupid comments didn't bother either one of us when we knew what the thread was really about!
Take care.

You say "I plainly said that I KNOW I would go to the casino at some point IF I didn't get an immediate payout on my wins!" That's an addiction right there. You clearly saying that if you don't make a withdrawal straight away, you know you would go to the casino. The fact is, if you didn't have an addiction, you wouldn't have to get an immediate payout, you could simply let the money be in the account for as long as you want, but it clearly shows that you're an addict that you can't leave the money in your account for any length of time as you know you wouldn't be able to stop yourself going to the casino. If you can't see that's an addiction right there, then you're in denial and deluded.

You say "And if this idiot says that he could just leave a 1000 dollars in his account and NEVER go to the casino & gamble it", "Would he just leave his money in there until his "addiction" made him bet a football game one saturday?" If I wanted to make further bets with that money and I didn't need to withdraw that money, then I would simply leave the money in the account until I came to place my next bet. No casino, no nothing. Just leave the money in the account waiting for the next bet. If you've not got an addiction that wouldn't be a problem, but that's obviously where your addiction comes in and necessitates your immediate payout otherwise you wouldn't be able to stop yourself chucking your money away.

You say "If the guy says he could have 1000 in an account and lose 100 of it down to $900 on casino and then just say "that's it, I quit, I'm not losing any more than 100" Then I'd call him a flat out liar!" and "let's see if the guy says that he CAN leave money in an account and not gamble it all away if he starts losing. Like I said, I'd think he was flat out lying if he said that!" Firstly, I've never bet on casino games in my life, as I can clearly see they are the ultimate mug and addict games of the lot. But let's just say that $100 bet was on a sports bet because that's the only possibility in your example, as I have never and will never go near casino games ever. If I had $1000 in my account, placed a $100 sports bet and it lost and I would then have $900 in my account, then if there was no further bets I needed to place in that account and if I needed to withdraw that money, then yes, I would simply withdraw that money. I'm not "a flat out liar" for saying that whatsoever, it's simply the truth. You obviously can't relate to that sort of betting, as people that aren't addicts bet very rationally and in a common sense fashion, whereas addicts like you will chase your losses into oblivion.

You say "HOW MANY TIMES WOULD HE STOP HIMSELF FROM LOSING IT ALL BEFORE HE GOT A PAYOUT! LOL 5, 10 times? Our WHOLE point is to NOT ever have to try & stop ourselves from losing if we start losing! Our point is to get the money out BEFORE we ever have that urge to go into the casino!" It's not a question of me "stopping myself" going onto the casino and losing it all, as I simply don't have a gambling addiction. I could leave money in a betting account for weeks, months or years and I wouldn't chuck it away at any point, as I'm not a gambling addict and I have no issues whatsoever with controlling any type of addiction, as I don't have one, which obviously the same can't be said with you, as you sound like you get into an utterly desperate state with these casino games. So it's not a question of "how many times I could myself losing before I got a payout", I simply would never chuck my money away on the casino or whatever, as I'm not a gambling addict.

You say "Our point is to get the money out BEFORE we ever have that urge to go into the casino!" You are in your own little world here. Nobody that isn't a gambling addict needs to get the money out before they get "that urge to go to the casino". It's only addicts that need to do that, as everybody else can control themselves not to chuck it all away on the casino, whilst addicts can't control themselves.

You say "And leaving money in an online gambling account instead of getting a payout is almost gambling suicide to EVERY one of us!!" No it isn't. Again you're in your own little world here. It's only "almost gambling suicide" to gambling addicts, as everybody else who isn't a gambling addict can control themselves and knows that they can leave money in a betting account for as long as they want, whereas addicts know that if they leave the money in the account for any length of time, they won't be able to control themselves not to gamble it all away. That's the difference, normal punters can control themselves, gambling addicts, like yourself, can't.

You ask "wHEN the hell does he suggest getting a payout? LOL" It's very simple. I make a withdrawal whenever I want to. Whether that's because I don't need to place any further bets in that account for the foreseeable future or for whatever reason it may be that I need to make a withdrawal, I simply make a withdrawal whenever I want. None of my withdrawals are necessitated by urges or compulsions to gamble all the money away or anything like that, I simply make a withdrawal whenever I want. And that's the difference, I have no addiction or anything like that and therefore I can keep my money in a betting account for as long as I want and I can make a withdrawal whenever I want without any risk of gambling the money away, whereas you are racing to the withdrawal button as quickly as possible otherwise you won't be able to stop yourself gambling all your money away on casino games. And the difference is, I'm a normal, rational thinking, common sense punter with no addiction, and you are a gambling addict. If you can't see the difference in that accepting that you are a gambling addict, then you're simply in denial and deluding yourself.

You say "I konw it is 4:41 in the morning and if I had any money in an account I'd prob. go gamble it right now." They are not the words of a normal punter, they are the words of a desperate gambling addict that has the compulsion to gamble at any time of the day or night.

You say "BUT even if he could do that, then if he didn't get a payout immediately then he's an idiot, and it would be a day or two & the $900 would be down to $800 and then he could say "that's it, I quit again" LOL When the hell does he get his money out? THAT IS THE POINT!", "He is missing the point that leaving money in a gambling account is a literal ticking time bomb!" and "You may win up to $10000 like you did, or even more, but if you don't get it out, then you COULD or MIGHT end up losing it all."

If when I requested a withdrawal and the payout didn't get processed immediately and it was in the account available to be reversed or whatever, then I would just wait for the withdrawal to be processed, it really is very simple. The $900 wouldn't go down to $800 or anything as I've requested the withdrawal and I'd simply wait for the withdrawal to get processed. You ask "When the hell does he get his money out? THAT IS THE POINT!". It really is very simple. It works like this: I request a withdrawal and I wait for the withdrawal to get processed. Done. That's it. No reversing of the withdrawal, no playing with the funds on anything before the withdrawal gets processed, nothing at all, just wait for the withdrawal to get processed.

Leaving money in a gambling account is only a "literal ticking time bomb!" for an addict that can't control themselves not to chuck their money away. For a normal sports bettor that has no addiction or anything, it's not an issue whatsoever.

You say "You may win up to $10000 like you did, or even more, but if you don't get it out, then you COULD or MIGHT end up losing it all." Not for me, or for anybody else that hasn't got a gambling problem. Anybody without a gambling problem can leave money in a betting account for weeks, months, years, whatever, it really doesn't matter how long, as because they haven't got a gambling problem, they won't be chucking the money down the drain, as they can easily control themselves.

So let's compare me and you. I'm a disciplined, rational and common sense bettor that can leave any amount of money in a betting account for any length of time without any risk gambling it away or anything at any point, whether a bookmaker processes a withdrawal immediately or in 2 or 3 days or whatever doesn't make a difference to me as I won't dip back into those funds and gamble it away, I've never bet on casino games in my life, I don't chase losses and I can bet whenever I feel like it and I can take breaks from betting whenever I like.

Compare that to you, a compulsive, addicted gambler that needs immediate payouts otherwise they won't be able to stop themselves going on casino games, can't stop themselves dipping back into their money if a bookmaker accepts a withdrawal but doesn't process it immediately, you compulsively bet on casino games, you aggressively chase your losses until there's nothing left, and you have urges to gamble at any time of the day or night.

I'm just one example of a normal bettor that doesn't have a gambling addiction and that is in complete control of their gambling. And if you can't see how you are so far removed from that and on completely the other end of the scale in that you are a gambling addict that needs to give up all forms of gambling to recover, if you can't see that, then you are completely deluded.

The trouble with you is that you think your urges and compulsions to not be able to control yourself not to go on the casino if you don't get an immediate payout, you not being able to leave money in your betting account for any length of time without chucking it all away in the casino, you having the urges to gamble at any time of the day or night, you not being able to walk away after losing a bet without having to chase your losses, and you feeling that money in your betting account is a literal ticking time bomb, the trouble with you is, you think all of this stuff is normal and you think all of these feelings and emotions are felt by the majority of normal gamblers.

I've got news for you, it isn't normal, and normal gamblers don't get the feeling and emotions that you do. Only gambling addicts have these sorts of feelings and are not able to control themselves in such a way. So you need to accept that the feelings and emotions that you have with gambling are not that of a normal gambler, they are the feelings and emotions of a gambling addict, and the quicker you accept in your own mind that you are a gambling addict and the quicker you accept in your own mind that the only way to get rid of these feelings and emotions that you're having and to recover from your addiction is to stop all forms of gambling and remove yourself from gambling altogether, the quicker you can accept all of that, the better chance you have of recovering from your gambling addiction.

[GoPanthers88]

This is just turning bizarre. I've read your posts in other threads and I feel better atleast knowing this is just a typical thing for you. I don't understand where you find the time in the day to write these novels with your unsolicited interpretation of others' lives.

I may be a compulsive gambler, but you seem to lack any sort of self control when it comes to this forum for whatever reason. I understand that luctens is the smartest person here now and has no issues with gambling and everyone should aim to be like you. Bravo!

I also thought it was interesting you have multiple posts in other threads about why blackjack and casino games are different than sports betting since casino games are games of chance and the house will win in the long run. I find that interesting since when I tried to make that point, your response was that they're all the same and have dedicated who knows how much time continuing to try to make that point. Clearly you have something going on where you need to try and assert that youre the expert on everything and your stance on things changes just to try and belittle others and argue.

This is where I say thanks once again for contributing to the conversation, but going forward I am no longer interested in your opinion. Based on your posts in other threads, I also assume this is where you say something along the lines of "oh well done you mug that's something a true mug would say when he knows I'm right and is too stupid to respond or read" yada yada yada.

Not the case here, but you're welcome to your opinion.

[Fitz030808]

GoPanthers- quit feeding into that clown. You've made it clear that you know you have an addiction and even asked the forum suggestions for help. This guy wants to browbeat you to death because obviously he doesn't have anything better to do than write 18 paragraph posts on how smart he is and how everyone else isn't.

[mngambler]

fair solution? quit drinking and gambling, they spotted a weak mark and took advantage, I would have done the same thing...get help from Gamblers Anonymous would probably be a starting point? I wish you luck

[HedgeHog]

You say "I plainly said that I KNOW I would go to the casino at some point IF I didn't get an immediate payout on my wins!" That's an addiction right there. You clearly saying that if you don't make a withdrawal straight away, you know you would go to the casino. The fact is, if you didn't have an addiction, you wouldn't have to get an immediate payout, you could simply let the money be in the account for as long as you want, but it clearly shows that you're an addict that you can't leave the money in your account for any length of time as you know you wouldn't be able to stop yourself going to the casino. If you can't see that's an addiction right there, then you're in denial and deluded.

You say "And if this idiot says that he could just leave a 1000 dollars in his account and NEVER go to the casino & gamble it", "Would he just leave his money in there until his "addiction" made him bet a football game one saturday?" If I wanted to make further bets with that money and I didn't need to withdraw that money, then I would simply leave the money in the account until I came to place my next bet. No casino, no nothing. Just leave the money in the account waiting for the next bet. If you've not got an addiction that wouldn't be a problem, but that's obviously where your addiction comes in and necessitates your immediate payout otherwise you wouldn't be able to stop yourself chucking your money away.

You say "If the guy says he could have 1000 in an account and lose 100 of it down to $900 on casino and then just say "that's it, I quit, I'm not losing any more than 100" Then I'd call him a flat out liar!" and "let's see if the guy says that he CAN leave money in an account and not gamble it all away if he starts losing. Like I said, I'd think he was flat out lying if he said that!" Firstly, I've never bet on casino games in my life, as I can clearly see they are the ultimate mug and addict games of the lot. But let's just say that $100 bet was on a sports bet because that's the only possibility in your example, as I have never and will never go near casino games ever. If I had $1000 in my account, placed a $100 sports bet and it lost and I would then have $900 in my account, then if there was no further bets I needed to place in that account and if I needed to withdraw that money, then yes, I would simply withdraw that money. I'm not "a flat out liar" for saying that whatsoever, it's simply the truth. You obviously can't relate to that sort of betting, as people that aren't addicts bet very rationally and in a common sense fashion, whereas addicts like you will chase your losses into oblivion.

You say "HOW MANY TIMES WOULD HE STOP HIMSELF FROM LOSING IT ALL BEFORE HE GOT A PAYOUT! LOL 5, 10 times? Our WHOLE point is to NOT ever have to try & stop ourselves from losing if we start losing! Our point is to get the money out BEFORE we ever have that urge to go into the casino!" It's not a question of me "stopping myself" going onto the casino and losing it all, as I simply don't have a gambling addiction. I could leave money in a betting account for weeks, months or years and I wouldn't chuck it away at any point, as I'm not a gambling addict and I have no issues whatsoever with controlling any type of addiction, as I don't have one, which obviously the same can't be said with you, as you sound like you get into an utterly desperate state with these casino games. So it's not a question of "how many times I could myself losing before I got a payout", I simply would never chuck my money away on the casino or whatever, as I'm not a gambling addict.

You say "Our point is to get the money out BEFORE we ever have that urge to go into the casino!" You are in your own little world here. Nobody that isn't a gambling addict needs to get the money out before they get "that urge to go to the casino". It's only addicts that need to do that, as everybody else can control themselves not to chuck it all away on the casino, whilst addicts can't control themselves.

You say "And leaving money in an online gambling account instead of getting a payout is almost gambling suicide to EVERY one of us!!" No it isn't. Again you're in your own little world here. It's only "almost gambling suicide" to gambling addicts, as everybody else who isn't a gambling addict can control themselves and knows that they can leave money in a betting account for as long as they want, whereas addicts know that if they leave the money in the account for any length of time, they won't be able to control themselves not to gamble it all away. That's the difference, normal punters can control themselves, gambling addicts, like yourself, can't.

You ask "wHEN the hell does he suggest getting a payout? LOL" It's very simple. I make a withdrawal whenever I want to. Whether that's because I don't need to place any further bets in that account for the foreseeable future or for whatever reason it may be that I need to make a withdrawal, I simply make a withdrawal whenever I want. None of my withdrawals are necessitated by urges or compulsions to gamble all the money away or anything like that, I simply make a withdrawal whenever I want. And that's the difference, I have no addiction or anything like that and therefore I can keep my money in a betting account for as long as I want and I can make a withdrawal whenever I want without any risk of gambling the money away, whereas you are racing to the withdrawal button as quickly as possible otherwise you won't be able to stop yourself gambling all your money away on casino games. And the difference is, I'm a normal, rational thinking, common sense punter with no addiction, and you are a gambling addict. If you can't see the difference in that accepting that you are a gambling addict, then you're simply in denial and deluding yourself.

You say "I konw it is 4:41 in the morning and if I had any money in an account I'd prob. go gamble it right now." They are not the words of a normal punter, they are the words of a desperate gambling addict that has the compulsion to gamble at any time of the day or night.

You say "BUT even if he could do that, then if he didn't get a payout immediately then he's an idiot, and it would be a day or two & the $900 would be down to $800 and then he could say "that's it, I quit again" LOL When the hell does he get his money out? THAT IS THE POINT!", "He is missing the point that leaving money in a gambling account is a literal ticking time bomb!" and "You may win up to $10000 like you did, or even more, but if you don't get it out, then you COULD or MIGHT end up losing it all."

If when I requested a withdrawal and the payout didn't get processed immediately and it was in the account available to be reversed or whatever, then I would just wait for the withdrawal to be processed, it really is very simple. The $900 wouldn't go down to $800 or anything as I've requested the withdrawal and I'd simply wait for the withdrawal to get processed. You ask "When the hell does he get his money out? THAT IS THE POINT!". It really is very simple. It works like this: I request a withdrawal and I wait for the withdrawal to get processed. Done. That's it. No reversing of the withdrawal, no playing with the funds on anything before the withdrawal gets processed, nothing at all, just wait for the withdrawal to get processed.

Leaving money in a gambling account is only a "literal ticking time bomb!" for an addict that can't control themselves not to chuck their money away. For a normal sports bettor that has no addiction or anything, it's not an issue whatsoever.

You say "You may win up to $10000 like you did, or even more, but if you don't get it out, then you COULD or MIGHT end up losing it all." Not for me, or for anybody else that hasn't got a gambling problem. Anybody without a gambling problem can leave money in a betting account for weeks, months, years, whatever, it really doesn't matter how long, as because they haven't got a gambling problem, they won't be chucking the money down the drain, as they can easily control themselves.

So let's compare me and you. I'm a disciplined, rational and common sense bettor that can leave any amount of money in a betting account for any length of time without any risk gambling it away or anything at any point, whether a bookmaker processes a withdrawal immediately or in 2 or 3 days or whatever doesn't make a difference to me as I won't dip back into those funds and gamble it away, I've never bet on casino games in my life, I don't chase losses and I can bet whenever I feel like it and I can take breaks from betting whenever I like.

Compare that to you, a compulsive, addicted gambler that needs immediate payouts otherwise they won't be able to stop themselves going on casino games, can't stop themselves dipping back into their money if a bookmaker accepts a withdrawal but doesn't process it immediately, you compulsively bet on casino games, you aggressively chase your losses until there's nothing left, and you have urges to gamble at any time of the day or night.

I'm just one example of a normal bettor that doesn't have a gambling addiction and that is in complete control of their gambling. And if you can't see how you are so far removed from that and on completely the other end of the scale in that you are a gambling addict that needs to give up all forms of gambling to recover, if you can't see that, then you are completely deluded.

The trouble with you is that you think your urges and compulsions to not be able to control yourself not to go on the casino if you don't get an immediate payout, you not being able to leave money in your betting account for any length of time without chucking it all away in the casino, you having the urges to gamble at any time of the day or night, you not being able to walk away after losing a bet without having to chase your losses, and you feeling that money in your betting account is a literal ticking time bomb, the trouble with you is, you think all of this stuff is normal and you think all of these feelings and emotions are felt by the majority of normal gamblers.

I've got news for you, it isn't normal, and normal gamblers don't get the feeling and emotions that you do. Only gambling addicts have these sorts of feelings and are not able to control themselves in such a way. So you need to accept that the feelings and emotions that you have with gambling are not that of a normal gambler, they are the feelings and emotions of a gambling addict, and the quicker you accept in your own mind that you are a gambling addict and the quicker you accept in your own mind that the only way to get rid of these feelings and emotions that you're having and to recover from your addiction is to stop all forms of gambling and remove yourself from gambling altogether, the quicker you can accept all of that, the better chance you have of recovering from your gambling addiction.

"Brevity is the soul of wit". I'm guessing you missed that lesson in your modern literature class.

[blowjoe2020]

Yes his replies are just sheer folly! I couldn't possibly read all of that idiocy! After 2 paragraphs it was clear that the moron was simply going down the line and saying "nuh-uh, you are!" to most of my statements about him. Like a 3rd grader. But he left out the WHOLE point about how only doing something once or twice a month (or even weekly!) is NOT an addiction! Anytime somebody picks out points that they THINK they can rebut, but then leaves out the points that overtly show how wrong they are, then you know you have an idiot who is replying.
So like I said, gambling in the casino weekly (or even on sports weekly!) is NOT an addiction! It is GAMBLING! Neither is losing all your money in your account before you stop an addiction. Some of us choose to stop, and some of us choose to keep gambling. It's called being "disciplined" if you choose to stop when you lose a certain amount. Some of us sent our money in and never even said that we'd try being "disciplined" with our balances if we began to lose. Whether on sports or casino! We will go ahead and gamble and try to get even! Then we may keep on gambling until we win big! That may be our plan from the beginning! (Note the word "gamble"! That's what we are doing is GAMBLING OUR MONEY!) We may win thousands! What if the guy lost his 10 grand down to 5 and then said "screw it, I'm betting the whole last 5 grand on a hand of Blackjack."? That's his OWN money and his OWN prerogative to do so! It has nothing to do with addiction! If he Blackjacked, then he'd all of a sudden be up $2500!! And then you wouldn't be calling him an addict because he won! LOL How stupid does that make your whole thesis? He is only an addict when he plays in the casino AND loses all his money? Or is he an addict EVERY time he gambles? Because then YOU are an addict every time YOU gamble on sports if you try that lie! LOL
Forget all that! Our WHOLE point is that we'd rather get payouts when big money is in our accounts so we WON'T ever get in that situation to make a huge bet like that! If you don't choose to gamble your money in this manner, then congratulations! So why the hell are you on this thread then?
And according to this lucens idiot's OWN reply, if he left his money in an account & didn't gamble for a month, then he wouldn't be an addict for that month, but the day that he gambled $100 on a sporting event, then he would be a "desperate gambling addict that has the compulsion to gamble at any time of the day or night." Just like us when we decided to bet some in the casino! LOL
Who can drop to such idiotic levels as this goon?
Not stopping when you begin to lose SOMETIMES or Even EVERY time, is NOT an addiction! An addict would continue to send his money in and continue to gamble until he had no life and no money!
You don't even lose it all in the casino EVERY time, you win some and you lose some, just like his sports bets win some and lose some! So is the guy ONLY an addict when he loses and doesn't stop until his balance is zero? Or is he an addict every time that he "succumbs to his compulsion to gamble"? Just like you would be an addict then in that case every time you made a sports bet! LOL
You clearly see how stupid & wrong you are but we all know that you are one of those types that will never admit it, so why am i even wasting my time!
Recreational gambling (whether on sports or casino) is NOT an addiction! Neither is losing your balance down to zero before you stop! Hell over 80% of recreational gamblers lose all the money they send in before they stop! That's NOT an addiction!! An addict would not stop and would send in or gamble ALL of the money he could get his hands on after he lost his balance! Then he'd lie & cheat & steal even more to gamble! All the way until he had NOTHING and no life! THAT is what an addict is! NOT someone who doesn't stop until the account is zero! PLENTY of people do that! In land casino's and online casino's! Have you ever flown home on a plane from Vegas? Almost everybody on the plane has no money on the way home!! So are they ALL addicts because they lost all the money that they took to Vegas? Of course not you goof-ball. So I just made your whole thesis moot & ridiculous. But you'll never admit it, so what's the use? LOL
According to this idiot, nobody is an addict while they aren't gambling, but every time anybody makes a bet and loses, (whether casino or sports) and then chooses to bet again to win or try to get even, then they are succumbing to their "gambling addiction" LOL How the hell do you try to rebut that stupidity?
You can't!

[blowjoe2020]

Read "The Gambler" by Fyodor Dostoyevsky. When the Russian General's mother travels to the casino and starts gambling, she starts losing, and then keeps gambling trying to get even and loses all her Millions! She loses her entire fortune in one night!
So according to you, even though she had NEVER gambled before in her life, (and probably never gambled again) she had an "addiction" to gambling because she didn't choose to stop before she lost it all? LOL How can somebody who had never gambled but ONCE in their whole life have an addiction to gambling?
All your points about being "addicted" just because you choose to keep gambling when you are losing are moot and I just showed you so. We all lose at gambling at SOME point. Whether you choose to stop after ONE loss, or TEN losses, or whether you risk your WHOLE account balance before you choose to stop, has NOTHING to do with addiction! It's just different ways to GAMBLE!
The point is, if people choose to not stop gambling until they have lost a ton of money, then it has NOTHING to do with addiction. It is their own prerogative to do it! If they win it back, it is great, but if they lose, it sux! It SUX BAD if you lose that last big bet! and then it is stupid, and it is heartbreaking! But it is NOT an addiction! It's just gambling!
So either try to help the guy stop breaking his own heart, (one way is getting payouts & not leaving big money in a gambling account.) or go move onto a thread where you people never gamble more than 1 or 2% of your bankroll no matter what. Gambling only 1 or 2% of your bankroll doesn't make you an addict anymore than gambling 10 or 20% or ALL of it makes you an addict!
So stop making a fool of yourself with that stuff.

P.S. I'll bet you that you keep on with the stupid "addict" stuff!! But I only want to bet an amount that DOESN'T make me an addict! LOL

[Kindred]

gamblers anonymous. You have only yourself to blame, and politicians use people like you to create state run monopolies on gambling which isn't good for anybody. just man up, and stop gambling. Plenty of other things in life to do, no need to waste your life crying about bad choices, everyone has regrets. Just learn from it and move on

[blowjoe2020]

It's going to be hard for the guy to stop gambling if he turned $400 into ten grand! Obviously he has a knack for it. he just couldn't get his wins out because of the 4 day credit card hold. He even begged them to block the casino so he could make the 4 day wait!
So yes, Either man up & stop gambling, or don't leave ten grand worth of winnings in a gambling account if you know you might tank it all in the casino!

[lawdy]

Horrible customer service.

BetOnline....just don't. They are really the rudest on the phone of any sports book. Before I deposited, they told me answers regarding payout. My drivers license address currently, is different than where I live. For payout, I would have to stand in line at DMV, take off a day of work, to change my address. This is the payout process. Dude on phone exhaled as I was really puttin' him out. Don't use BetOnline. Not if you want to actually get a payout that is. Hope this helps. Currently, I have great customer service with Bovada.