18th Hole Copies ALL of Pinnacles Lines

**Mikeyanks23** · 12-08-13, 07:35 PM

From the time he started playing he was paid mid 4 figs. Once the balanced reached 5 he cut off all communication.. Then finally answered told him he never got his emails or calls. Then started with the run around.

There was no betting on bad lines or anything like that either. The balance just got to big for Cesar/Leo to be able to pay
THis is officially a stiff job now. Hes a known stiff in Costa Rica.

**darkhat** · 12-08-13, 08:15 PM

confirmed stiff job

**bobbywaves** · 12-08-13, 10:55 PM

Until now, Sperm had nothing but good things to say about 18th on that shithole forum EOG. Sperm's seemed like a goo guy, so I'll look into it & see what I can find out for his sake. Fuk the rest of you a-holes: MikeYanks & Darkhat, sad state of affairs when you're posting pics from a strangers Facebook. Get a life chump.

**bobbywaves** · 12-09-13, 12:57 AM

I inquired about the account # and "stiff job" in question. You & your butt buddies were bonus whoring, opening 4 accounts under the same IP address. When you don't play by the rules, you're treated accordingly. I haven't had payout problems but then again, I play by the rules. Go back to EOG chump.

**BigDeem5** · 12-09-13, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

I inquired about the account # and "stiff job" in question. You & your butt buddies were bonus whoring, opening 4 accounts under the same IP address. When you don't play by the rules, you're treated accordingly. I haven't had payout problems but then again, I play by the rules. Go back to EOG chump.

Your inquiring is inacurrate as usual.

You're a fukking shill for the wrong guys, pal.

**Legions36** · 12-09-13, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by BigDeem5

Your inquiring is inacurrate as usual.

You're a fukking shill for the wrong guys, pal.

Now i'm really starting to second guess this guy with his responses to these issues. Why does he feel its ok to stiff someone for asking for a bonus? (Even if they are claiming some bs about same ip address, which we all know now is just an excuse)
I also always wondered why Bobby had so much beef with GTbets, as he was the only person from my knowledge to call them a scam. Until now I always thought this guy was legit.

**BigDeem5** · 12-09-13, 02:54 PM

Bobby is a 1/4 owner of 18th Hole, he is trying to get people for them and then stiff them.

**bobbywaves** · 12-09-13, 02:55 PM

According to my agent they weren't stiffed, they profited thousands & were paid. There deposits were given back. 3 accounts closed under same IP, 1 account left open. No book allows multiple accounts under same IP for this very reason, bonus abuse. Very surprised about Legions uneducated post, as I considered him a respectable poster until now. I'm no shill, simply a player at 18th & have a good relationship with my agent. Not surprised with Deem, Darkhat, MikeYanks, posts, all shot taking chumps.

**BigDeem5** · 12-09-13, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

According to my agent they weren't stiffed, they profited thousands & were paid. There deposits were given back. 3 accounts closed under same IP, 1 account left open. No book allows multiple accounts under same IP for this very reason, bonus abuse. Very surprised about Legions uneducated post, as I considered him a respectable poster until now. I'm no shill, simply a player at 18th & have a good relationship with my agent. Not surprised with Deem, Darkhat, MikeYanks, posts, all shot taking chumps.

Robert, why don't you tell the forum about where you live?

Also, about how you're a part owner of 18th hole?

**BigDeem5** · 12-09-13, 03:54 PM

Robert, also tell us about your site

On the gamblers side DOT COM?

**playz** · 12-09-13, 04:02 PM

I have been trying to get money out also and I'm getting the run around and also threatened which is a first for me. I'm not going to go into details at the moment but I have money caught on there. Shouldn't have trusted these guys with any of my money.

Basically getting the same response of closing the account and saying they will send a check. My stomach has been in knots for weeks over this.

They are liers. I doubt I will see any of my money.

**bobbywaves** · 12-09-13, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by BigDeem5

Robert, also tell us about your site

On the gamblers side DOT COM?

Hey Deem, get a life chump. I'm not affiliated with 18th only play there. Not affiliated with above forum, only post there. How about some facts to back up your ridiculous claims chump? Otherwise, shut the fuk up pal.

**bobbywaves** · 12-09-13, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by playz

I have been trying to get money out also and I'm getting the run around and also threatened which is a first for me. I'm not going to go into details at the moment but I have money caught on there. Shouldn't have trusted these guys with any of my money.

Basically getting the same response of closing the account and saying they will send a check. My stomach has been in knots for weeks over this.

They are liers. I doubt I will see any of my money.

Sorry to hear this, as I believe you stated in the past you received payouts. So what's the reason given for closing your account? If you did nothing wrong, there shouldn't be a problem posting details. Good luck, let us know if & when your check arrives.

**Legions36** · 12-09-13, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

According to my agent they weren't stiffed, they profited thousands & were paid. There deposits were given back. 3 accounts closed under same IP, 1 account left open. No book allows multiple accounts under same IP for this very reason, bonus abuse. Very surprised about Legions uneducated post, as I considered him a respectable poster until now. I'm no shill, simply a player at 18th & have a good relationship with my agent. Not surprised with Deem, Darkhat, MikeYanks, posts, all shot taking chumps.

How can u be surprised about my post? Look at whats going now at this place? I always thought things were good with u and im pretty sure they still are but u need to understand why im confused as to whats going on here. I know your not a shill but I also know that if i would have deposited maybe this could have easily been me and I already lost out this year with 2 books i'm not trying for a 3rd.
You should really consider something is wrong here because you have reputable posters in a few forums complaining about this book. I remember when I didn't believe some posters about Betrevolution when things were going on and look at what happened there they turned out to be a stiff book.

**playz** · 12-09-13, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

Sorry to hear this, as I believe you stated in the past you received payouts. So what's the reason given for closing your account? If you did nothing wrong, there shouldn't be a problem posting details. Good luck, let us know if & when your check arrives.

Rather not go into details but I did nothing wrong. I won that's it. They are clearly having liquidity issues. Who knows if they have any body backing them of any substance.

**bobbywaves** · 12-09-13, 06:43 PM

I was surprised because you were insinuating 18th is stiffing because they asked for a bonus. Not the case. I clearly said my agent told me they had 4 accounts under same IP, which is clearly a violation of any books policy. Now whether that's the truth or not, I have no way of knowing & maybe I'm the next victim. But that's a chance I'm willing to take. I'm giving my agent the benefit of any doubt until proven otherwise, since I've been paid. What makes you think these guys weren't in violation? If anyone doesn't feel comfortable playing there, than don't. To me, the reward far outweighs the risk. Good luck wherever you decide to play at.

**bobbywaves** · 12-09-13, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by playz

Rather not go into details but I did nothing wrong. I won that's it. They are clearly having liquidity issues. Who knows if they have any body backing them of any substance.

I appreciate your warning & feedback. I have always treaded lightly, by trying to lose & win at other outs. I'm definitely concerned though, as I don't like to hear negative things about a book I'm playing at. Hope you get paid, please post any updates.

**playz** · 12-10-13, 12:04 AM

That works until it doesn't.

**bobbywaves** · 12-10-13, 12:18 AM

True... but with a $500 deposit & 10x roll, any potential stiff will be minimal compared to what I already made utilizing them during the last 4 months. It's the whole risk/reward concept, some players have a higher tolerance level than others.

**dink** · 12-10-13, 01:55 AM

Bobby did you shill for BetIslands too?

**Nick Papageorgio** · 12-10-13, 11:16 AM

Exposed this guy long ago in this thread, you guys are late to the party.

**BigDeem5** · 12-10-13, 01:01 PM

Bobby, you're 1/4 owner of the site.

We know about the Trenton stories. You're fukking buried. Better to come clean and pay Sperm

**BigDeem5** · 12-10-13, 01:04 PM

Bobby owns the onthegamblersside.com

They rank 18th Hole an "a" it is a stiff "F" shop. They don't payout large payouts and will close up here shortly.

Bobby (robert) runs the operation from US and his buddy ceaser from Costa Rice.

They're business partners. They're both stiffs and owe players 10k+

**bostonboss** · 12-10-13, 01:11 PM

sbr shoud ban bobby the roosterlicker

**bobbywaves** · 12-10-13, 01:29 PM

I posted several bets on this thread, yet I'm the owner of 1th hole & owner of a forum.

Why would an owner place bets in their own book? Just proves how ignorant all of you are, Deem how old are you? 12.

**BigDeem5** · 12-10-13, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

I posted several bets on this thread, yet I'm the owner of 1th hole & owner of a forum.

Why would an owner place bets in their own book? Just proves how ignorant all of you are, Deem how old are you? 12.

Bobby, how is Trenton treatin' ya?

How about your boy Ceasar?

Do you know him or not?

Come clean

**boeing power** · 12-10-13, 01:52 PM

If bobby stiffed you guys and he is part owner of the book send a little tip to the authorities.

Its not like you'll ever see that money anyhow.

**pjesnik24** · 12-10-13, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

I posted several bets on this thread, yet I'm the owner of 1th hole & owner of a forum.

Why would an owner place bets in their own book? Just proves how ignorant all of you are, Deem how old are you? 12.

wow, you posted few bets in this thread. the only logical conclusion is that you are not the owner

posted bets=not the owner

very interesting logic but I guess you would say anything just to scam more people

**bobbywaves** · 12-10-13, 04:02 PM

Here's a concept, how about proving I'm the owner instead of making these ridiculous accusations. I'm done arguing with uneducated a-holes.

**BigDeem5** · 12-10-13, 05:44 PM

Do you know Ceasar or are you going to keep denying?

You're in deep here, Robby.

**Mikeyanks23** · 12-10-13, 08:06 PM

Bobby is Cesar your wifes friend? Cousin? Brother?

**bostonboss** · 12-10-13, 08:43 PM

sounds like the wife might be guilty as well...

**robmpink** · 12-10-13, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by dink

Bobby did you shill for BetIslands too?

No, I did. Love it when 3rd generation ghosts come out.

**Footballtime** · 12-11-13, 12:49 AM

Robert from Trenton, You know my buddy Robert Vidal from Newark? If not , believe me u dont want to meet him......Come clean Robert from trenton

**dink** · 12-11-13, 01:46 AM

Who the fukk is "BobbyWaves" to be making inquiries about peoples accounts other than his own? Of course they can tell him whatever they want to make themselves feel good, doesn't mean the shill is getting any bit of truth at all, unless he actually works for them.

What a douche