18th Hole Copies ALL of Pinnacles Lines

**Nick Papageorgio** · 10-24-13, 04:51 PM

I have put in the time and effort to research this case at the request of many SBR members via PM. After review, while it may all be a long and thought out front......I'm not sure we can give Bobby credit for being that smart however. BobbyWaves fits the profile of a bonus whore. I have dug deep............uncovered his twitter and other social media networks. I have discovered he tweeted his referral info in the past for his dsi and bookmaker accts. Bobbywaves doesn't even deposit much at 18th is my guess, he is just raking in referral bonuses via forum whoring. As stated before this could all be one elaborate front/ gimmick, take it as you will but you will not find any deeper of an investigation anywhere.

**bobbywaves** · 10-24-13, 05:34 PM

What a Mickey Mouse investigation.

What evidence do you have to back up your claim "I don't deposit much"?

Deposited $950 just today & approx 12k in the 11 weeks I've been there. I don't need to prove anything to anybody, just trying to educate people. Take it as you will, but you will not find a more accurate depiction of 18th hole anywhere. Unlike you, I play there & have 1st hand knowledge.

**bobbywaves** · 10-24-13, 05:35 PM

**looneytunes** · 10-24-13, 05:59 PM

I think the only one benefiting from this crap books free publicity are those looking for 50% referral handouts. Guy obviously has plenty of time to keep this going and hopefully anyone with half a brain realizes its best to leave this place alone. Most of us arent looking for a place to lose, so there is little value unless you fall for this arb model that will probably fail along with the ponzi scheme model the book employs. Leo's probably pitching "Play at our book and if you promise to never ask to be paid we will give you exorbitant</SPAN> bonuses that you can move over to a reputable book and ask them for a payout. yea, sure

**Nick Papageorgio** · 10-24-13, 06:30 PM

Robert Waves, 18th hole founder/ president/owner

Still digging guys. Looks like he may just a be a shill? In it for extra freeplays. Investigation still pending. Waiting for a call back from an FBI buddy, should happen in the next 24 hours. This guy has a flame touched tie though, pretty sure that is a sure indicator of a bookmaker.

**bobbywaves** · 10-24-13, 07:06 PM

Well which one is it Prick, am I the 18th hole founder / president / owner, or a shill? With everything that 18th offers, you're naïve to think they would hire shills. Let us know what your FBI buddy has to say, please post my lengthy rap sheet as well.

**bettingstation** · 10-24-13, 07:26 PM

wow... its getting hot here....

**Nick Papageorgio** · 10-24-13, 07:59 PM

Bobby, I have no horse in this race. Out of respect I have held your phone and mailing info for myself, though this could help some people if there is a betislands like fall out. Though that info was so easily found I am not sure you could possibly be the owner/ founder/ chairman, unless it is all false info and it is all a front of some sort. Robert, I am not here to bury you, you may be a good kid. Just trying to get to the bottom of this. In all honesty I'm rooting for you mr. Waves.

Also let me state that I am in no way currently affiliated with SBR, just to make that crystal clear.

**bettingstation** · 10-24-13, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Nick Papageorgio

Bobby, I have no horse in this race. Out of respect I have held your phone and mailing info for myself, though this could help some people if there is a betislands like fall out. Though that info was so easily found I am not sure you could possibly be the owner/ founder/ chairman, unless it is all false info and it is all a front of some sort. Robert, I am not here to bury you, you may be a good kid. Just trying to get to the bottom of this. In all honesty I'm rooting for you mr. Waves.

Also let me state that I am in no way currently affiliated with SBR, just to make that crystal clear.

good research bro....

**bobbywaves** · 10-24-13, 08:20 PM

Good kid? Surely all your extensive research revealed my birthdate. "IF" there's an 18th fallout, I can assure you my address & phone # will help nobody. However, I'll answer every call & offer my condolences.

**5mike5** · 10-24-13, 11:10 PM

well somehow just deleted that....oh well wasn't that relevant anyways

Gl bobby and all who play there...

its every1's peronal prefrence and their OWN risk and no1 elses if it fails or doesnt...

**johnpendred** · 10-25-13, 12:38 AM

you guys are way over the top. you have one person defending 18th til death. you have another stalking and "researching" bobby. it is just nuts, but certainly entertaining. mike said it well .. play at your own risk and that is with every book. I love 18th, as ive stated just cause of the payouts, but I wouldn't put my kids on the line with them, or 5dimes, or any book. its that simple. if you wanna know a million good things about 18th, I will tell u.. but there is some downsides as well. pros: payouts, a million options to bet on, customer service, limits, low juice. cons are def slow grading sometimes, limited teaser options, weak racebook. and a could name 20 more good and bad things but those are the main ones that come to mind. just like any other book, if uncomfortable don't touch em. they pay up to 950 faster then anyone. there bankwires hit super quick. if you need an out, start small and keep small until you feel comfortable. if there was a gun to my head, I would say 18th will be here 5 or 10 years from now so I have no issues with keeping a somewhat bigger balance there. regardless, this whole going back n forth and bobby putting his life on the line and then getting stalked or whatever just sums SBR up so well. like the pros? play there. uneasy about them? don't. but this thread is a few saying they have been paid and then a few bashers, that have no reason to btch as they have never played there, and on other forums I see the same thing. everyone who has played there has been paid and seems happy. enjoy the weekend as my just started fellas!!!!!

**Nick Papageorgio** · 10-25-13, 12:45 AM

Making a run at POTM. Bobby my fbi guy wants permission for a phone interview. Let me know what time/ date to have him call and consent to an audio release. He assures you this has nothing to do with his organization and he is conducting the interview for our purposes here.

**bigballa** · 10-25-13, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by downsouth

Ill try it, keep it small and hope im not the one holding the buck when it goes under. Risk/Reward analysis in play and while I'm not confident it ends well long run hopefully short term success can achieved.

Will keep you guys updated.

updated on what bro?? you've said yourself your going to keep it small, they arent going to stiff a small time fish its the guys that want to go big that are going to get screwed with this.....

**bobbywaves** · 10-25-13, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Nick Papageorgio

Making a run at POTM. Bobby my fbi guy wants permission for a phone interview. Let me know what time/ date to have him call and consent to an audio release. He assures you this has nothing to do with his organization and he is conducting the interview for our purposes here.

I prefer a face to face interview. You have my address already, so it shouldn't be a problem. When can I expect him?

**suman** · 10-26-13, 08:31 PM

Okay I threw in a little bit of money at 18thholesportsbook, just to give it a try and see if its legit. I have not requested a payout yet and hopefully down the line I will. I am not saying that they are a good book, cause I never got a payout yet. If and when I do request a payout and get or whatever happens I will surely post in this thread my experience.

**suman** · 10-26-13, 08:32 PM

Many of you know me as the guy that was asking about 18thhole because of their High School football lines, I do wish they would offer a little more selection on lines as well. They have limited me to only requesting 3 games per week. I really wish they would expand this to a lot more.

**johnpendred** · 10-26-13, 10:49 PM

**Redondo** · 10-26-13, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by suman

Many of you know me as the guy that was asking about 18thhole because of their High School football lines, I do wish they would offer a little more selection on lines as well. They have limited me to only requesting 3 games per week. I really wish they would expand this to a lot more.

How big is high school football betting?

**suman** · 10-27-13, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Redondo

How big is high school football betting?

IDK exactly, nut i enjoy betting it more than ncaa or pro

**InsiderHer** · 10-27-13, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Redondo

How big is high school football betting?

It's not.

**InsiderHer** · 10-27-13, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by suman

IDK exactly, nut i enjoy betting it more than ncaa or pro

You're an odd character...why would you enjoy betting on high school football over ncaa or pro? Why would you put money into this shit book? WTF are you talking about, limiting your request to bet 3 games a week?

**bettingstation** · 10-27-13, 11:59 PM

wow... fbi???

**Redondo** · 10-28-13, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by bettingstation

wow... fbi???

that FBI crap is obnoxious as hell. it's already obvious bobby's interest is bonuses and referral bonuses as well as cash following into to a business that is obviously not his but ensures he'll get paid.

**bostonboss** · 10-28-13, 12:54 PM

dumbest thread on the board and that's saying a lot.

**thetrinity** · 11-03-13, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by suman

Many of you know me as the guy that was asking about 18thhole because of their High School football lines, I do wish they would offer a little more selection on lines as well. They have limited me to only requesting 3 games per week. I really wish they would expand this to a lot more.

i actually just got an account here. when do the lines come out for hs football, whats this requesting business?

**bobbywaves** · 11-04-13, 12:53 AM

Some hs football games will be out Thurs, but the majority come out Sat & Sun. You're allowed to request up to 3 hs games per week. Welcome aboard mate.

**bobbywaves** · 11-04-13, 12:54 AM

Meant to say the majority of hs games come out Fri & Sat.

**thetrinity** · 11-04-13, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by bobbywaves

Meant to say the majority of hs games come out Fri & Sat.

i live in pittsburgh and we are in the quaterfinal round of the district playoffs, 16 total games in the area. i know most of the big teams in pennsylvania fairly well though, so you are saying if they dont offer it i can request 3 off the board games?

**johnpendred** · 11-04-13, 09:20 AM

from what I understand (don't quote me here) you can request any game that is on national tv and those that bet HS games can request 3 games each that are not on national tv but sunman prob knows better

**johnpendred** · 11-04-13, 09:21 AM

just looked and there are games for tonight so a little Monday night football for sunman lol

**suman** · 11-06-13, 11:58 PM

Seems like these guys are getting a little shady about hs football. Will keep everyone posted on my status if I eventually recieve payment once complete my roll.

**johnpendred** · 11-07-13, 12:07 AM

how are they getting shady?

**bobbywaves** · 11-07-13, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by suman

Seems like these guys are getting a little shady about hs football. Will keep everyone posted on my status if I eventually recieve payment once complete my roll.

Shady? They posted every hs game I requested.

**johnpendred** · 11-07-13, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by suman

Many of you know me as the guy that was asking about 18thhole because of their High School football lines, I do wish they would offer a little more selection on lines as well. They have limited me to only requesting 3 games per week. I really wish they would expand this to a lot more.

this was my favorite. bitching about them not offering more games of something that no one else offers. i forwarded it right to the GMs email they have listed on the site.