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  • moneymaker1974
    SBR Rookie
    • 01-26-07
    • 13

    #1
    Need help placing large bets
    So I have been an avid gambler over the years, betting small plays here and there….over the last 5-7 years, I have developed both a college football and a NFL betting system. I finally ready to take the plunge and bet large on this coming football season…I have read several entries across the internet, but have struggled to find the right path forward, often reading countering arguments….here are my two problems:



    Placing the bet

    I currently have a top sportsbook (name is irrelevant) rated A (or higher on sportsbookreview.com list…I plan to deposit 5 digits worth of money in order to start…if the system hits as it has (by the way, this is not a solicitation to be a shill, I have worked too hard to share this) in the past, I hopefully will be eventually placing 5 digit bets per game…that is a lot of action considering between the two sports on a weekend that will total about 10-20 plays….I can obviously do this on line, but if the balance gets too high, I am worried of either being limited by the sportsbook, the sportsbook closing and losing everything (not because of me, but in general), the sportsbook not paying out either at all or very slowly (more on that in my second problem)…..I could place the bet in Vegas, but I live in NJ, and there are several issues with that…first, flying out Friday night and returning Monday morning is obviously a bit much…travelling with all that money is another problem (getting mugged, getting stopped in airport, etc), potentially walking up to a casino booth with 6 digits worth of cash seems absurd…so what do I do???



    Winning bets

    Again, I hopefully will have 6 digits worth of a balance….let’s say I do it everything online…then do I wire money back to my personal account?? I understand wiring money doesn’t trigger a CTR, but if $50K shows up in my account, won’t either the bank or the IRS want to know how it got there? The thought of giving away 35% of my winnings seems crazy, especially since capital gains tax is 15%, but I digress….if I bet in Vegas, then how can you safely travel around with six digits worth of cash?? Do casinos “hold” money in accounts or safety deposit boxes?? If I get the money paid in checks, either from the online sportsbook or the casino, there is a wait time to receive the check and time for the check to clear, which will not enable to bet it the next week…..I could get paid in checks lower than $10k, get them cashed at local cash placing place, pay them their fee (3-5%?)…IRS might come knocking on my door because of structuring concerns…that cuts out the wait time but could be having tax problems and would have to wait several weeks…if the casino can hold the money in some type of account, then I would only have to move it twice…once there and once back…that would be preferred, but again, the travel aspect makes that challenging…



    I wasn’t sure where to ask this question, so I turned here….any advice??? I can’t use a local (can’t find one either way) because no one is going to give me a 6 digit account in year one….
  • NunyaBidness
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-26-09
    • 9345

    #2
    I was about to write you a detailed response on how to get around most of these issues, but then I came across the part where you admitted to wanting to cheat on your taxes. So, nevermind.
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    • easyliving
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 06-25-12
      • 8876

      #3
      can you go into further detail about wiring money? I am not familiar with this method. Even if you wire larger sums how does the bank not get suspicious?
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      • moneymaker1974
        SBR Rookie
        • 01-26-07
        • 13

        #4
        Not sure where you picked that up...I was just throwing out ideas that I have read...willing to pay my taxes as unfortunate as it to giveaway 35% of your gambling winnings when capital gains (the same premise, you are placing a wager on a stock or game outcome) is only 15%....that was my point.....willing to get paid in checks or wire transfer and pay my taxes if that is the best scenario...looking for guidance....thanks
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        • RichardGeorge
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 04-18-10
          • 640

          #5
          If we are talking about that large sum of money... Go up to Canada... Purchase a po box and bank account up there... Get a VPN to work around the USA ban... And bet through pinnacle, bet fair, matchbook, etc etc

          Way more convenient then flying to Vegas every weekend.. Not to mention, you will find very few books to take 5 figure bets in Vegas, none if you turn out to be a winner... Plus, what happens if you have to bet a weekday Cfb game?

          There are a few books that take USA customers that will pay whatever payout: heritage, 5dimes and bookmaker.. Bookmaker will not limit you unless you absolutely kill them.. Heritage and 5dimes will limit you quicker.. But all 3 will pay.

          Oh ya.. Pay your taxes!! Not worth the pain in the ass otherwise if you get caught
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          • easyliving
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 06-25-12
            • 8876

            #6
            Originally posted by RichardGeorge
            Oh ya.. Pay your taxes!! Not worth the pain in the ass otherwise if you get caught
            How do you pay taxes on such winnings? I hear people sying pay your taxes yet no one will go into detail on how much to pay and how to report it. On the other hand you have people saying don't pay it because thats how they will trace you down.Is their a definite answer to this.
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            • NunyaBidness
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-26-09
              • 9345

              #7
              Originally posted by easyliving
              How do you pay taxes on such winnings? I hear people sying pay your taxes yet no one will go into detail on how much to pay and how to report it. On the other hand you have people saying don't pay it because thats how they will trace you down.Is their a definite answer to this.
              You enter the number on your tax return and send in a check before April 15th. If you are filing as a professional you file a schedule C.
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              • NunyaBidness
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-26-09
                • 9345

                #8
                Originally posted by moneymaker1974
                Not sure where you picked that up...I was just throwing out ideas that I have read...willing to pay my taxes as unfortunate as it to giveaway 35% of your gambling winnings when capital gains (the same premise, you are placing a wager on a stock or game outcome) is only 15%....that was my point.....willing to get paid in checks or wire transfer and pay my taxes if that is the best scenario...looking for guidance....thanks
                If you're interested in paying your taxes, why do you care that the IRS will wonder where $50k came from? You tell them, "I am a professional gambler, this is my first year doing such and I will be sending in $15k on April 15th, you can look forward to my quarterly payments every year afterwards."
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                • easyliving
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 06-25-12
                  • 8876

                  #9
                  Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                  If you're interested in paying your taxes, why do you care that the IRS will wonder where $50k came from? You tell them, "I am a professional gambler, this is my first year doing such and I will be sending in $15k on April 15th, you can look forward to my quarterly payments every year afterwards."
                  how can you file as a professional gambler in a country where online gambling is technically illegal. Your betting online not in Vegas.
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                  • NunyaBidness
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-26-09
                    • 9345

                    #10
                    Originally posted by easyliving
                    how can you file as a professional gambler in a country where online gambling is technically illegal. Your betting online not in Vegas.
                    For the same reason that drug dealers and prostitutes are required to pay taxes.

                    Furthermore, the laws against online gaming in this country are about providing services, not using them.
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                    • easyliving
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 06-25-12
                      • 8876

                      #11
                      Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                      For the same reason that drug dealers and prostitutes are required to pay taxes.

                      Furthermore, the laws against online gaming in this country are about providing services, not using them.
                      well thanks for the info, I will get back to you once January comes along in order to ask how to calculate the amounts.
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                      • moneymaker1974
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 01-26-07
                        • 13

                        #12
                        RG

                        Thanks for the reply, valuable information...are you suggesting opening the Canadian PO box for the purposes of opening a Pinnacle account or for purposes of opening a Canadian checking account so checks can get mailed there???

                        I used to have a pinnacle account, do you see an issue with opening an account, same name, but different address?

                        Do you suggest getting wired the money or receiving checks???...funny, I have one of the three other books you mentioned...at what amount do they limit the account?? $5K per bet? $10K per bet??

                        thanks for the help
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                        • EasternPromises
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 01-16-13
                          • 40

                          #13
                          What's the status of this? Are you going to use Pinnacle through Canada as someone earlier suggested?
                          Last edited by SBR Staff; 08-07-13, 02:39 AM.
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                          • sillybill33x
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 08-28-13
                            • 17

                            #14
                            More money than brains.

                            Why do you wana bet that much money online?
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                            • jjgold
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #15
                              Funny thread

                              If your so big you would live in Canada or move to Vegas

                              End of thread
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                              • mminkovski
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-22-07
                                • 1077

                                #16
                                find a "proxy" in EU so he can place your bets online and withdraw (without taxes). You'll obviously need to trust this person
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                                • andywend
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 05-20-07
                                  • 4805

                                  #17
                                  Your college and NFL betting systems are nowhere near as good as you think they are. The best handicappers in the world pick between 56-58% winners and the way you're talking, you're expecting to pick winners at 70% or even higher. You won't wind up having all the problems you mentioned because your systems won't pick anywhere near the winners that you expect.
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                                  • sillybill33x
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 08-28-13
                                    • 17

                                    #18
                                    Send your email I can.
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                                    • 5mike5
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 09-21-11
                                      • 51983

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by sillybill33x
                                      Send your email I can.
                                      u have 14 posts and EVERY single 1 you are wanting some1s email to anwser any question imaginable

                                      come on
                                      Last edited by 5mike5; 08-29-13, 02:22 PM.
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                                      • paw
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 05-03-09
                                        • 445

                                        #20
                                        I agree................. Pretty shaky post to begin with. Then again most guys on the forums all have money trees in their back-yards. Its amazing how all of that works ?
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                                        • possum11
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 10-20-11
                                          • 172

                                          #21
                                          basically no one who bets 5 digits per game bets online. if you are that good just move to vegas. , I have seen proven track records of several cappers including myself that hit well over 60% several years but it is very rare. its not people that have a model or system - its situational recognition. by the way, if you even deposit a check for $3,000 (not your regular paycheck) personal bankers are trained to ask you where you got it from (for example, did you sell a car?) so they can report suspicious behavior. if you wire more than $5,000 it will be reported. I personally wouldn't wire anything unless you already do that on a regular basis for your business. this is not just conjecture - I have been through it several times.
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                                          • jayman4
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 03-08-13
                                            • 2

                                            #22
                                            please post an update

                                            I think I am in a similar situation; had a very good year last year and learned a lot about online and Vegas books, but still feel like a novice around the mechanics of betting.

                                            Also, these boards seem to give conflicting advice, so it can very confusing.

                                            I ended up having sizeable balances at both online and Vegas books. Loved both Cantor and William Hill (Vegas) because they had mobile applications, meaning I could all my betting from the airport (cellphone in state of Nevada, so it works).

                                            The online places, so far, have made good on my withdrawals but they make it slow and slap annoying fees on the withdrawals.
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                                            • bettingstation
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-25-13
                                              • 1084

                                              #23
                                              well thats the problem in some sportsbook... the withdrawal fees... if you have budget... dont withdraw...
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