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  • ab1000
    SBR Rookie
    • 01-05-10
    • 11

    #1
    5dimes issue - Opinion Welcome
    I placed an in-game wager on the 2nd inning of a baseball game the other day. When placing an in-game wager on innings, there are normally two choices( Hits or Runs line).

    I placed a wager on a line for -.5 hits of that inning. About 5-10 minutes later, I was placing a wager for the following inning(3rd inning) which means the game was still in the 2nd inning and I noticed that the odds on my -.5 HITS was reversed with the RUNS line for that inning.

    The odds that I had were -.5 hits at +310 when it should have been around +160-+175 which means 5dimes reversed the lines by accident. Once I realized the mistake, knowing that it was a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances, I went into livechat to report the error. (This was all before the inning was over so there is no guarantee if I would have won or lost the wager) When I reported it to livechat, I was told that it was a valid line. I asked how that could be since it was clearly obvious the lines were switched by mistake. The rep went to the line manager to come back saying the same thing that it was valid.

    After that incident, I filled out a SBR form and I was told to talk to Becky or Tony about the issue. I talked to Becky on livechat and she admitted that the wager was a bad line but laughed at me, saying that I was complaining about having such good odds. I tried to tell Becky that it was before the inning was over and that if the +310 side won, I guarantee that it would have been cancelled due to a bad line and I didn't want to take any chances. Becky refused to do anything about the issue and said the wager stands.

    After that chat, I talked to Matt from SBR who said he doesn't feel like I have a case and I shouldn't pursue any farther. The wager is small($50) and now I am having to post about it on the forum when I tried to resolve it without going here.

    So, my question to every is -- Is it okay that 5dimes acknowledges it was a bad line yet chooses to do nothing about it? I feel that if my side won(+310) it would have been voided instantly.

    Opinions are welcome --
  • pologq
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 10-07-12
    • 19899

    #2
    if i see a bad line i mostly skip it, thinking it will be voided out as well. in the case that you are talking, i don't think you can complain because the book can't assume you would have picked the winning side, etc. even with you saying it now and how it was wrong.
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    • ab1000
      SBR Rookie
      • 01-05-10
      • 11

      #3
      Originally posted by pologq
      if i see a bad line i mostly skip it, thinking it will be voided out as well. in the case that you are talking, i don't think you can complain because the book can't assume you would have picked the winning side, etc. even with you saying it now and how it was wrong.
      I didn't bet the 'bad line' on purpose which is why I went into livechat before the inning was over.

      Why is it okay for 5dimes to acknowledge it was a bad line and do nothing about it BUT if I won the +310 wager and they cancelled it, I would be at fault because it was a bad line. This is the two way street that I didn't want and why I wanted the wager to be looked at and cancelled so there was no issue.
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      • the_situation
        SBR MVP
        • 10-22-10
        • 2735

        #4
        interesting - you did the right thing by reporting it to them. considering they told you the wager is valid, you would have a very strong case should the bet win and they void it.
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        • tto827
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 10-01-12
          • 9078

          #5
          Did your team happen to not get any hits in the top of the inning? Just wondering

          Anyway, anytime you make a play on a bad line you are basically at the books discretion, sucks, but thats the way it is unfortunately.
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          • ab1000
            SBR Rookie
            • 01-05-10
            • 11

            #6
            Originally posted by tto827
            Did your team happen to not get any hits in the top of the inning? Just wondering

            Anyway, anytime you make a play on a bad line you are basically at the books discretion, sucks, but thats the way it is unfortunately.
            My team was in the bottom of the inning. The team in the top half had 1 hit and I believe my team had 1 hit when I went to live chat. The inning ended with 1 hit each and the .5 lost obviously.
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            • mighty maron
              SBR MVP
              • 04-20-09
              • 4215

              #7
              I remember a thread in which a person bet a parlay that was awarded the wrong odds by far. The person checked with the staff and a manager obtaining confirmation that it was not a bad line or payout. The person proceeds to win a lot in part due to the boost his payroll received from this gross error.

              Tony freezes his account...rules that way back the line was an error (it was) and that all the winnings are fruit of the poisonous tree. The winnings are gone as well as a demand for recompense on the amount the player withdrew from that bad line.

              Lesson: if it appears to be too good as a line in comparison to what the rest of the world offers than avoid it.

              Live Lines are in flux creations to the micro movements of a very small market. The line could have been created to stem the tide against heavy betting in one direction. It could be an an error. Who knows with live lines....

              Good luck OP..
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              • benandjerry
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 07-01-11
                • 697

                #8
                Originally posted by the_situation
                interesting - you did the right thing by reporting it to them. considering they told you the wager is valid, you would have a very strong case should the bet win and they void it.
                Originally posted by mighty maron
                I remember a thread in which a person bet a parlay that was awarded the wrong odds by far. The person checked with the staff and a manager obtaining confirmation that it was not a bad line or payout. The person proceeds to win a lot in part due to the boost his payroll received from this gross error.

                Tony freezes his account...rules that way back the line was an error (it was) and that all the winnings are fruit of the poisonous tree. The winnings are gone as well as a demand for recompense on the amount the player withdrew from that bad line.

                Lesson: if it appears to be too good as a line in comparison to what the rest of the world offers than avoid it.

                Live Lines are in flux creations to the micro movements of a very small market. The line could have been created to stem the tide against heavy betting in one direction. It could be an an error. Who knows with live lines....

                Good luck OP..
                I came here to post this. He has NO case if it wins, and SBR would likely side with the book.

                Shot takers on purpose getting down on bad lines is not ok, but since you were so honest about it, from what you're saying, I dont think its unreasonable to at least consider voiding the bet.

                Its a lose lose situation though, you win you lose, you lose you lose.
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                • iceman9870
                  Restricted User
                  • 03-09-09
                  • 38

                  #9
                  The odds were in your favor and you are complaining? You always need to look at the odds before you bet on something. To ask them to cancel the wager during the game is unreasonable. It's really bad form for a book to cancel wagers AFTER they have started. I dont think you have a case.
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                  • mighty maron
                    SBR MVP
                    • 04-20-09
                    • 4215

                    #10
                    Originally posted by iceman9870
                    The odds were in your favor and you are complaining? You always need to look at the odds before you bet on something. To ask them to cancel the wager during the game is unreasonable. It's really bad form for a book to cancel wagers AFTER they have started. I dont think you have a case.
                    One of the main reasons he is complaining about this is that 5dimes has had a case in the past where a person verified what he thought was a bad line (parlay payout) with a CSR and a manager and they both said it was correct (the way out of proportion parlay payout odds). Months down the road with numerous cashouts performed he gets his account frozen and set to zero by the GM who took the line that the person should have contacted Tony about this since it was so far out of line.

                    A great book is 5dimes but if you are perceived as a shot taker then all bets are off the table....
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                    • SBR Forum
                      Administrator
                      • 12-02-06
                      • 4559

                      #11
                      Originally posted by iceman9870
                      The odds were in your favor and you are complaining? You always need to look at the odds before you bet on something. To ask them to cancel the wager during the game is unreasonable. It's really bad form for a book to cancel wagers AFTER they have started. I dont think you have a case.
                      It sounds like he got a marginally better deal than what would be the case and that the market was honored. We've had no players who had bets voided write in, suggesting it was graded consistently.

                      As an aside, often times it's best to ask before betting if you're unsure, an out like 5D isn't worth chancing messing up over $50.
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                      • benandjerry
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 07-01-11
                        • 697

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SBR Forum
                        It sounds like he got a marginally better deal than what would be the case and that the market was honored. We've had no players who had bets voided write in, suggesting it was graded consistently.

                        As an aside, often times it's best to ask before betting if you're unsure, an out like 5D isn't worth chancing messing up over $50.
                        Absolutely amazing. By the numbers represented in this thread... 140c is marginally off, in the other thread where the live wager was void due to bad line (betonline) which was 25c off your input is nowhere to be seen despite the thread being created 5 days ago. Justin seem to claim its clearly a bad line.

                        The logics I cannot get my head around, please feel free to elaborate if you can.

                        The end result appears to favor the book in both cases though, for whatever thats worth.


                        I agree with your last part though, not worth messing around over $50.
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                        • sharpcircle
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 02-05-11
                          • 308

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SBR Forum
                          It sounds like he got a marginally better deal than what would be the case and that the market was honored. We've had no players who had bets voided write in, suggesting it was graded consistently.

                          As an aside, often times it's best to ask before betting if you're unsure, an out like 5D isn't worth chancing messing up over $50.
                          This line was only marginally off?

                          Also how are you suposed to ask about lines when they are live lines that are up for at most 5-10 minutes. So basically the onus is all on the player and the book has zero accountability. seems fair.

                          Considering that line wasn't far off I have a complaint to file against a highly graded book. I will use this thread to cite why I am correct.
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                          • iceman9870
                            Restricted User
                            • 03-09-09
                            • 38

                            #14
                            Didn't you know the line was off when you took the wager?...Did you just blindly bet it without looking at the odds?
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                            • Jetsfan
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 07-07-08
                              • 276

                              #15
                              So he got a much nicer payout on a bet he always makes, tells the book afterward (connect dots of his timeline and stop being retarded) and is upset and wants his 50 bucks back. I think some of you are just looking to side against books.

                              If I were 5dimes i'd close his account, this guy needs more than what any sportsbook can offer.
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                              • SBR Forum
                                Administrator
                                • 12-02-06
                                • 4559

                                #16
                                Originally posted by benandjerry
                                I agree with your last part though, not worth messing around over $50.
                                Marginally might be the wrong word, I skimmed his initial post but it sounds like he's already written in and started communicating with SBR via email. In-play markets are touchy and generally not handled consistently from shop to shop, you have to know what you're betting and not expect that because you look as if you might lose a bet you'll get a refund. At the same time, shops can't grade one bet a loser and void a winner, which didn't happen here according to what we know. It was graded consistently. If any other players have complaints that may have been on the opposite end, please write in to SBR.

                                Just to add - he was temporarily banned by the system for attempting to create a second account after making his initial post. Don't want that fact to get lost in translation.
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                                • PharaohUB
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-23-07
                                  • 4865

                                  #17
                                  How long was his wagering history with 5dimes? I think if he has been with them awhile and showed no patterns of taking shots then the wager should be refunded. I've found myself in similar situation in the past. Mostly putting money on a tennis match only to realize it had already started. Knowing that I could get free rolled (even if my bet is up at the time I notice) I always inform live chat immediately. OP did everything he good, and if he has shown a history of honest betting, then I don't even think it's a question that the bet should be honored. We all know 5 dimes would have canceled the bet had it won so he was essentially free rolled, if all the facts in the case are true in how they are laid out.
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                                  • mighty maron
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 04-20-09
                                    • 4215

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by SBR Forum
                                    Marginally might be the wrong word, I skimmed his initial post but it sounds like he's already written in and started communicating with SBR via email. In-play markets are touchy and generally not handled consistently from shop to shop, you have to know what you're betting and not expect that because you look as if you might lose a bet you'll get a refund. At the same time, shops can't grade one bet a loser and void a winner, which didn't happen here according to what we know. It was graded consistently. If any other players have complaints that may have been on the opposite end, please write in to SBR.

                                    Just to add - he was temporarily banned by the system for attempting to create a second account after making his initial post. Don't want that fact to get lost in translation.
                                    Op should realize that out of all the A+ books that this book has a tough reputation with those it views as taking shots. The main man Tony seems to be absolute over there.

                                    Not worth the money op against the possiblity of losing the account at a great book...

                                    Live betting has a greater risk of the book citing bad lines because situations are that much more in flux than posted lines before an event
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                                    • ab1000
                                      SBR Rookie
                                      • 01-05-10
                                      • 11

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by PharaohUB
                                      How long was his wagering history with 5dimes? I think if he has been with them awhile and showed no patterns of taking shots then the wager should be refunded. I've found myself in similar situation in the past. Mostly putting money on a tennis match only to realize it had already started. Knowing that I could get free rolled (even if my bet is up at the time I notice) I always inform live chat immediately. OP did everything he good, and if he has shown a history of honest betting, then I don't even think it's a question that the bet should be honored. We all know 5 dimes would have canceled the bet had it won so he was essentially free rolled, if all the facts in the case are true in how they are laid out.
                                      This.

                                      I don't take shots. I have bet a lot larger wagers than $50 at 5dimes and I am an overall losing player there. I wish they would review the issue more and refund the $50 back. Outside of the two way street, I know I would keep myself happy as a losing customer who deposits often.

                                      Back to the issue, we all know that 5dimes would have cancelled it if the +310 won and they would have been in the right. There shouldn't be a two way street.

                                      I figured I would have been contacted again by 5dimes or they would have posted in here about the issue. I didn't want to take this public but I have tried through Becky/5dimes and Matt/SBR
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                                      • TheMoneyShot
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 02-14-07
                                        • 28672

                                        #20
                                        Personally... I'm just going to say this IMO about 5dimes. Been with them for about 7 years now. I understand what the OP is indicating... he said he contacted customer support and he was trying to verify a line. 5Dimes said it was a good line.

                                        This is why I have a problem with "In-Game" wagering. Especially when you have to make a wager fast... in between commercials... etc. How do you know when or if a line is bad? Simple Answer: If you have to 2nd and 3rd guess yourself in making the wager... and you say... naw it can't be accurate... DON'T BET IT! It's peace of mind for yourself.... both ways. You didn't lose anything because you didn't risk anything and secondly... when you thought you WON... they mark it has NO ACTION... because you took a shot. Isn't worth the emotional swing. Period.

                                        Even if you contacted customer service on Live Chat... it takes awhile for them to make their decision. Half of those people don't even know what they're talking about to begin with! Isn't worth the aggravation.

                                        Rule of thumb... if you have to question it... Don't Bet It.

                                        You have hundreds of other possibilities on that board.
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                                        • bigballa
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 10-18-12
                                          • 429

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                          Personally... I'm just going to say this IMO about 5dimes. Been with them for about 7 years now. I understand what the OP is indicating... he said he contacted customer support and he was trying to verify a line. 5Dimes said it was a good line.

                                          This is why I have a problem with "In-Game" wagering. Especially when you have to make a wager fast... in between commercials... etc. How do you know when or if a line is bad? Simple Answer: If you have to 2nd and 3rd guess yourself in making the wager... and you say... naw it can't be accurate... DON'T BET IT! It's peace of mind for yourself.... both ways. You didn't lose anything because you didn't risk anything and secondly... when you thought you WON... they mark it has NO ACTION... because you took a shot. Isn't worth the emotional swing. Period.

                                          Even if you contacted customer service on Live Chat... it takes awhile for them to make their decision. Half of those people don't even know what they're talking about to begin with! Isn't worth the aggravation.

                                          Rule of thumb... if you have to question it... Don't Bet It.

                                          You have hundreds of other possibilities on that board.
                                          amen brother......couldnt say it any better, you would think it would be obvious but i guess not.....
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                                          • ab1000
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 01-05-10
                                            • 11

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by TheMoneyShot
                                            Personally... I'm just going to say this IMO about 5dimes. Been with them for about 7 years now. I understand what the OP is indicating... he said he contacted customer support and he was trying to verify a line. 5Dimes said it was a good line.

                                            This is why I have a problem with "In-Game" wagering. Especially when you have to make a wager fast... in between commercials... etc. How do you know when or if a line is bad? Simple Answer: If you have to 2nd and 3rd guess yourself in making the wager... and you say... naw it can't be accurate... DON'T BET IT! It's peace of mind for yourself.... both ways. You didn't lose anything because you didn't risk anything and secondly... when you thought you WON... they mark it has NO ACTION... because you took a shot. Isn't worth the emotional swing. Period.

                                            Even if you contacted customer service on Live Chat... it takes awhile for them to make their decision. Half of those people don't even know what they're talking about to begin with! Isn't worth the aggravation.

                                            Rule of thumb... if you have to question it... Don't Bet It.

                                            You have hundreds of other possibilities on that board.
                                            I placed the wager quickly on my phone. I am sure that everyone has placed wagers quickly before.

                                            I heard from SBR that they didn't void the other side of the wager so it is okay. Of course they didn't void the other side because I am sure they made money on that exact wager. Do you really think they lost money on this bad line?

                                            Also, 5dimes initially told me that it was a valid line but later admitted it was a bad line. So it is a valid bad line? Everybody knows that if I placed the +310 wager and won then 5dimes voided it citing bad line that everyone in this forum would agree that it was a bad line and would side with the book.

                                            5dimes are you going to respond to this issue? I haven't heard anything since I chatted with Becky.
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                                            • Jetsfan
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 07-07-08
                                              • 276

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by bigballa
                                              amen brother......couldnt say it any better, you would think it would be obvious but i guess not.....
                                              Not to dumbasses that try to have slightly +ev in play bets cancelled when they realize theyre going to lose them. The OP is making a fool of himself.
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                                              • pjesnik24
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 11-01-05
                                                • 1286

                                                #24
                                                SBR is getting worse from case to case. If you remember a thread that someone already mentioned about a guy who asked CS few times on different occasions if the parlay odds were correct and even received one payment and continued making single bets there and won a substantial amount of money (or "marginal" as SBR guy would call it here) SBR decided that the guy was wrong and that he actually needs to pay back the money or something like that because his first bet's payout was calculated wrong even the 5dimes rules said that all bets are valid, does not matter if the account is in the plus or not etc (find the thread and read).
                                                And here, this "marginal" error of almost 100% is not enough to get something cancelled even the guy pointed it out. It is very clear what 5dimes did here, they waited what will happen and because this guy (and probably few others for bigger amounts) lost they honored the bet.
                                                I personally like mostly the part where SBR guy is wondering why there were no complains that the opposite was cancelled. Maybe because nobody took it? think what would happen if you offer an olympics basketball game between Japan and Dream Team X with Japan -5000 and USA +4000 where would you get more bets and would it get cancelled?
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                                                • onemoregoal
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 02-04-13
                                                  • 8149

                                                  #25
                                                  Too lazy to read all the thread, but over here if theres an odds error - the books will normally pay out at corrected price.
                                                  Id accept the loss as if it won I would have expected to be paid at the market price.......
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                                                  • ab1000
                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                    • 01-05-10
                                                    • 11

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Jetsfan
                                                    Not to dumbasses that try to have slightly +ev in play bets cancelled when they realize theyre going to lose them. The OP is making a fool of himself.

                                                    Not sure how I am making a fool of myself when I wanted an obvious bad line cancelled before it was over so that I didn't get free-rolled.
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                                                    • ab1000
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 01-05-10
                                                      • 11

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by pjesnik24
                                                      SBR is getting worse from case to case. If you remember a thread that someone already mentioned about a guy who asked CS few times on different occasions if the parlay odds were correct and even received one payment and continued making single bets there and won a substantial amount of money (or "marginal" as SBR guy would call it here) SBR decided that the guy was wrong and that he actually needs to pay back the money or something like that because his first bet's payout was calculated wrong even the 5dimes rules said that all bets are valid, does not matter if the account is in the plus or not etc (find the thread and read).
                                                      And here, this "marginal" error of almost 100% is not enough to get something cancelled even the guy pointed it out. It is very clear what 5dimes did here, they waited what will happen and because this guy (and probably few others for bigger amounts) lost they honored the bet.
                                                      I personally like mostly the part where SBR guy is wondering why there were no complains that the opposite was cancelled. Maybe because nobody took it? think what would happen if you offer an olympics basketball game between Japan and Dream Team X with Japan -5000 and USA +4000 where would you get more bets and would it get cancelled?
                                                      It really is sad that first 5dimes stands strong and the wager is fine but later says it was a bad line.

                                                      I agree with the statement about the other side -- 5dimes made money on the wager otherwise it would have been cancelled. Does anyone believe that they would take a large loss on a bad line when they have that implemented in their rules? SBR: Why would the other side complain when it won?


                                                      5dimes -- Are you going to respond to me or do anything to resolve this issue? It has been going on for days and I haven't heard anything except from Becky and Matt from SBR. I would like to continue using 5dimes but I am not depositing at this book again until this is resolved.
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                                                      • diondublin
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 04-16-10
                                                        • 160

                                                        #28
                                                        They should correct the line, shouldn't they?Ask them to amend the line, as per their rules, and see what they say!
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                                                        • ab1000
                                                          SBR Rookie
                                                          • 01-05-10
                                                          • 11

                                                          #29
                                                          I hate to be on that bumps threads but still no contact from 5dimes regarding this issue. The last I heard was from Matt at SBR when he said 'he doesn't think I have a case' which I feel is wrong and that was several days ago.

                                                          I am sure that someone at 5dimes can review this issue with a level-headed mind and see where the errors are and that it was an obvious bad line.

                                                          I am still asking for the $50 wager to be credited back to my account.
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                                                          • Triumph
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 09-18-12
                                                            • 1235

                                                            #30
                                                            Be thankful 5 dimes offers a legit live wagering option, My bookmaker count went dry and tonight I missed the 1st pitch on all the late games, had no action and was bored to death.
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                                                            • ab1000
                                                              SBR Rookie
                                                              • 01-05-10
                                                              • 11

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Triumph
                                                              Be thankful 5 dimes offers a legit live wagering option, My bookmaker count went dry and tonight I missed the 1st pitch on all the late games, had no action and was bored to death.
                                                              Yeah, I am real thankful they offer a bad line and refuse to cancel the wager. /sarcasm

                                                              UPDATE: There is no update. I am not sure if they are waiting for this to die out but I am expecting a response from 5dimes and the $50 to be credited back to my account. Isn't there a 5dimes rep that frequents the forum? Respond back here, PM me, email me -- I am waiting for a response.
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                                                              • onemoregoal
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 02-04-13
                                                                • 8149

                                                                #32
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                                                                • ab1000
                                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                                  • 01-05-10
                                                                  • 11

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by onemoregoal
                                                                  I am not trying to bore everyone with bumps but I am expecting some type of contact with me about this situation that happened a week ago and I do not want this issue to sink to the bottom without any type of response.
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                                                                  • looneytunes
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 12-16-10
                                                                    • 216

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by ab1000
                                                                    I am not trying to bore everyone with bumps but I am expecting some type of contact with me about this situation that happened a week ago and I do not want this issue to sink to the bottom without any type of response.
                                                                    Starting believe its $5o your grandmother gave you and you'll have to wait till next year to wager again.
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                                                                    • horja1
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 01-13-11
                                                                      • 5646

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by ab1000
                                                                      I am not trying to bore everyone with bumps but I am expecting some type of contact with me about this situation that happened a week ago and I do not want this issue to sink to the bottom without any type of response.
                                                                      I really doubt anyone from 5Dimes will contact you here
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