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  • isakambach
    SBR Rookie
    • 05-29-13
    • 5

    #1
    WilliamHill stole my money!!!!!!!
    Hello, I wish to make a complaint... Today I placed 6000 EUR on FK Napredok Kicevo v Bregalnica Stip for FK Napredok Kicevo (1.91 decimal odds) I won BUT willhill paid me only 2181 EUR. I contact them on the livechat but I don't receive any adequate answer...
  • horja1
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-13-11
    • 5646

    #2
    Originally posted by isakambach
    .....I contact them on the livechat but I don't receive any adequate answer...
    meaning?
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    • Gallin
      SBR High Roller
      • 07-31-11
      • 224

      #3
      Napredok - Bregalnica Stip betting odds and user predictions. football First League 2012/2013 H2H Results. Register for free on Odds Portal.


      1.91 was obvious bad line. Lucky for you they did the right thing and honored the bet with correct odds instead of voiding your bet and booting you out.
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      • isakambach
        SBR Rookie
        • 05-29-13
        • 5

        #4
        They told me that I will receive an email from them 24-48 hours...
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        • isakambach
          SBR Rookie
          • 05-29-13
          • 5

          #5
          I forget to tell you somthing, I placed my bet on live... The match was started and it was 8th or 9th minute...
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          • SBR Forum
            Administrator
            • 12-02-06
            • 4559

            #6
            Originally posted by Gallin
            http://www.oddsportal.com/soccer/fyr...stip-E914CiID/

            1.91 was obvious bad line. Lucky for you they did the right thing and honored the bet with correct odds instead of voiding your bet and booting you out.
            Originally posted by isakambach
            I forget to tell you somthing, I placed my bet on live... The match was started and it was 8th or 9th minute...
            If there wasn't a score in the first 8 minutes then it sounds like you still got a fortunate price which was corrected to be in-line with market average. WillHill wouldn't just arbitrarily reduce the odds of your wager without cause. Let us know what the email says.
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            • horja1
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 01-13-11
              • 5646

              #7
              Originally posted by isakambach
              I forget to tell you somthing, I placed my bet on live... The match was started and it was 8th or 9th minute...
              still, no way the odds would have been 1.91 after only 9 mins, starting from 1.36
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              • isakambach
                SBR Rookie
                • 05-29-13
                • 5

                #8
                Ok, I will.. Is it fair ? It isn't my fault that they can't fix their odds correctly...
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                • SBR Forum
                  Administrator
                  • 12-02-06
                  • 4559

                  #9
                  Originally posted by isakambach
                  Ok, I will.. Is it fair ? It isn't my fault that they can't fix their odds correctly...
                  Things happen fast in live betting but it sounds like you realize the odds weren't correct. I'd count my lucky stars they didn't opt to just void the entire bet rather than manually adjust the payout.
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                  • horja1
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 01-13-11
                    • 5646

                    #10
                    Originally posted by isakambach
                    Ok, I will.. Is it fair ? It isn't my fault that they can't fix their odds correctly...
                    of course it is fair ... you can also expect to be limited very soon
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                    • onemoregoal
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 02-04-13
                      • 8149

                      #11
                      An odds jump from 1.36 pre game upto 1.91 isnt that unheard of on those leagues. Im always arbing these leagues and lots of differences in opinions from books and big movements.
                      Looks like the game had a lot of odds movements prior to kick off so any big movements in play should be expected.

                      Is it an American thing to automatically side with the book? You guys always say "omg you took a bad line" " you should be banned" "you are lucky they paid" such bullshit.
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                      • onemoregoal
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 02-04-13
                        • 8149

                        #12
                        Another game today from Lithuania - look at the odds, so many changes. It will be the same in play, those odds jumping around every minute....Whos to say what an obvious error is? 1.36-1.91 not obvious enough imo when you have crap like this happening.
                        Who are Tipico?

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                        • HeeeHAWWWW
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 06-13-08
                          • 5487

                          #13
                          You're lucky they didn't just void the bet entirely.
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                          • smanov1234
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 05-30-13
                            • 10

                            #14
                            This is not bad line, this is rediculous !
                            Last edited by smanov1234; 05-31-13, 07:10 AM.
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                            • Scottish
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 12-21-10
                              • 588

                              #15
                              They didn't do anything wrong, 1.91 was a clear mistake in the line, they could have just voided the bet and returned your stake but instead paid you at the proper odds of 1.36.

                              I don't see what you complaining about, nobody stole your money you tried to steal theirs and got paid at the proper price, some sites wouldn't even pay you at all.

                              Everyone knows here what happened you spotted a line you knew was wrong and placed a large bet on it hoping they wouldn't notice and they did, the end, you won't be getting paid at 1.91 and you shouldn't either.

                              My guess is you spotted the error and thought you'd get yourself some nice free money backed them on Will Hill and then layed them on Betfair and its ended up costing you money.
                              Last edited by Scottish; 05-30-13, 10:00 AM.
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                              • onemoregoal
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 02-04-13
                                • 8149

                                #16
                                Originally posted by smanov1234
                                I am in the same sittuation as the colleague above! I have placed 1500 euro on 1.91 and they calculated the bets on 1.36. How you can say that is a bad line when this game was only in the William Hills program. Nowere else. I do not arb, i do not use bonuses ! I have placed the bet on 10 min. The odds were going up prior the game in Asia. This can easily be checked. From 1.36 starting odds to 1.91 in the 10 minute is common and normal change. William hill can not compare the game odds to other Bookie because they only featured the game. This is not bad line, this is rediculous !
                                Im with you guys. To the people saying its a clear bad line, they havent played those particular leagues. Maybe load up Malta league, Bulgaria leagues and see how fast odds change.
                                Lets say its a normal football match, 1.36 kick off price, it should be around 1.44 for the 10th min - they didnt even give you 1.44.
                                They gave you 1.36 because that was their kick off price, and they probably had notihing to compare it to.
                                You guys are so lame thinking William Hill and bookies in general are honest.
                                Hook them in with 1.91 price, and if it loses it loses, but if it wins they pay 1.36, come on guys. Even if it was a bad line, people dont know for sure unless its huge - which this isnt.
                                Last edited by onemoregoal; 05-30-13, 02:35 PM.
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                                • dikefale
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 09-20-10
                                  • 1017

                                  #17
                                  Its impossible to jump to 1.91 in just 10 minutes,except home team got red card.

                                  The problem about this game in my opinion is one that WillHill tried to free roll you. If your team did lost they would settle as loser.
                                  They should send you mail or better call you immediate to explain situation with odds.

                                  On other hand how the fuk is there a bad line for in play games. If you can prove that odds had consistent trend of going up,i think they must pay you.
                                  What the fuk is doing this idiot in charge of this game.

                                  Will Hill shit book.
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                                  • smanov1234
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 05-30-13
                                    • 10

                                    #18
                                    Bad line would be 2.5 - 3. Change from 1.36 to 1.91 is normal. Precious !
                                    Last edited by smanov1234; 05-31-13, 07:16 AM.
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                                    • benandjerry
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 07-01-11
                                      • 697

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by onemoregoal
                                      Another game today from Lithuania - look at the odds, so many changes. It will be the same in play, those odds jumping around every minute....Whos to say what an obvious error is? 1.36-1.91 not obvious enough imo when you have crap like this happening.
                                      Who are Tipico?

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                                      Pretty apparent something significant has just happend in game. Oddsportal updates arent instant. That image doesnt say anything other than a goal was scored, penalty awarded or similar.

                                      Originally posted by onemoregoal

                                      Im with you guys. To the people saying its a clear bad line, they havent played those particular leagues. Maybe load up Malta league, Bulgaria leagues and see how fast odds change.
                                      Lets say its a normal football match, 1.36 kick off price, it should be around 1.44 for the 10th min - they didnt even give you 1.44.
                                      They gave you 1.36 because that was their kick off price, and they probably had notihing to compare it to.
                                      You guys are so lame thinking William Hill and bookies in general are honest.
                                      Hook them in with 1.91 price, and if it loses it loses, but if it wins they pay 1.36, come on guys. Even if it was a bad line, people dont know for sure unless its huge - which this isnt.
                                      But it is. 1.36-1.91 is huge unless a big turn of events happen in game. I'm usually one to side with the player more times than not, and definitely dont think books play fair all the time.

                                      Originally posted by smanov1234
                                      Bad line would be 2.5 - 3. Change from 1.36 to 1.91 is normal. I am not an idiot to bet on bad lines and arb. Even if I wanted to arb there was no chance. This game was nowhere live exept William hill. They do not called, they do not written an e-mail. They just waited the game to finish and 2 hours after the game they changed the price. Precious !

                                      Just check what happend to the asian handicup minutes before the game... The odds in SBOBET was 1.2-1.3 for the visitors to win with 1.25 handicup. The movement from 1.36 to 1.91 is more than normal concidering the drop for the guests in Asia minutes before the game started.
                                      The part about SBO line movements gives you guys a little bit more of a case. It still seems pretty apparent to me what you guys were trying to do.
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                                      • onemoregoal
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 02-04-13
                                        • 8149

                                        #20
                                        The image I posted is the kick off prices for a Lithuania game, BEFORE a ball was kicked. Its the kick off price - so no penalty/ red card.
                                        1.36-1.91 isnt quite normal, but it happens. Im bored now, if you want to get an idea of what I mean - load up the Moldovan soccer games tomorrow on willhill and see those arrows jump around every second while people are money laundering or whatever the fukk they do on these leagues.
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                                        • benandjerry
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 07-01-11
                                          • 697

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by onemoregoal
                                          The image I posted is the kick off prices for a Lithuania game, BEFORE a ball was kicked. Its the kick off price - so no penalty/ red card.
                                          1.36-1.91 isnt quite normal, but it happens. Im bored now, if you want to get an idea of what I mean - load up the Moldovan soccer games tomorrow on willhill and see those arrows jump around every second while people are money laundering or whatever the fukk they do on these leagues.
                                          Fair enough. I know these leagues are more subject to not always being fair play. Point still is, something is "going on" (which I realize you are fully aware of. And yes, tipico are terrible in general) with this match which is why its OTB. Its just stupid to take a stab at such line, its just not worth the risk. Chances it stands it minimal, so you're gonna have to sweat the game first, to either have it void, or readjusted odds, and then on top of the risk being limited, or kicked out. Its a lose lose situation.

                                          Its just hard to believe when newcomers with very few posts pops up posting about an obscure league on an event where the line is off by a lot, having large wagers on it... just saying...
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                                          • JoeyBagels
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 03-10-13
                                            • 784

                                            #22
                                            And people wonder why old bloc punters aren't welcomed with opened arms at these books
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                                            • andywend
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 05-20-07
                                              • 4805

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by isakambach
                                              Hello, I wish to make a complaint... Today I placed 6000 EUR on FK Napredok Kicevo v Bregalnica Stip for FK Napredok Kicevo (1.91 decimal odds) I won BUT willhill paid me only 2181 EUR. I contact them on the livechat but I don't receive any adequate answer...
                                              You tried to take a shot @ William Hill making a massive bet on odds you knew were obviously bad and you got caught. You're lucky that you tried to cheat a legitimate book like William Hill as 90% of books would have voided the wager after the game with no discussion and they would be justified in doing so. William Hill should show you the door!!! You are NOT the victim here but the criminal.
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                                              • smanov1234
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 05-30-13
                                                • 10

                                                #24
                                                And I will try to take a shot to your face! I hope next time something like that happen to the scumbag like the one above ! How many times have to be mentioned that this game was only featured by William Hill and nowhere else to compare what are the real odds in the 10th minute of the game. Also check the SBO lines minutes before the game to see where the directions were going.
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                                                • Tmuston Beltics
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-14-13
                                                  • 1253

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by andywend
                                                  You tried to take a shot @ William Hill making a massive bet on odds you knew were obviously bad and you got caught. You're lucky that you tried to cheat a legitimate book like William Hill as 90% of books would have voided the wager after the game with no discussion and they would be justified in doing so. William Hill should show you the door!!! You are NOT the victim here but the criminal.


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                                                  • onemoregoal
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 02-04-13
                                                    • 8149

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by smanov1234
                                                    And I will try to take a shot to your face! I hope next time something like that happen to the scumbag like the one above ! How many times have to be mentioned that this game was only featured by William Hill and nowhere else to compare what are the real odds in the 10th minute of the game. Also check the SBO lines minutes before the game to see where the directions were going.
                                                    Dont worry man. Get them on the Montenegro games
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                                                    • ADR51
                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                      • 05-15-11
                                                      • 428

                                                      #27
                                                      And hopefully this time you won't get caught?? You guys are some pathetic petty thieves!
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                                                      • onemoregoal
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 02-04-13
                                                        • 8149

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by onemoregoal
                                                        Im with you guys. To the people saying its a clear bad line, they havent played those particular leagues. Maybe load up Malta league, Bulgaria leagues and see how fast odds change.
                                                        Lets say its a normal football match, 1.36 kick off price, it should be around 1.44 for the 10th min - they didnt even give you 1.44.
                                                        They gave you 1.36 because that was their kick off price, and they probably had notihing to compare it to.
                                                        You guys are so lame thinking William Hill and bookies in general are honest.
                                                        Hook them in with 1.91 price, and if it loses it loses, but if it wins they pay 1.36, come on guys. Even if it was a bad line, people dont know for sure unless its huge - which this isnt.
                                                        ...
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                                                        • andywend
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 05-20-07
                                                          • 4805

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by smanov1234
                                                          And I will try to take a shot to your face! I hope next time something like that happen to the scumbag like the one above ! How many times have to be mentioned that this game was only featured by William Hill and nowhere else to compare what are the real odds in the 10th minute of the game. Also check the SBO lines minutes before the game to see where the directions were going.
                                                          What's funny is that you're not even the OP in this thread though I have no doubt you are every bit the thief as the OP. If the line pre-game was 1.36, there is no way the line moves anywhere near 1.91 in a scoreless game in the 10th minute unless there was a red card issued to the favored team during that first 10 minutes. Since you created a new account after the OP started this thread, I wouldn't be surprised if you are indeed Isakambach. Its easy to talk like a big shot when you're hiding behind the protection that the internet provides. GET A LIFE, BOY!!!
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                                                          • jumpsquat
                                                            SBR Rookie
                                                            • 02-20-12
                                                            • 40

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by andywend
                                                            What's funny is that you're not even the OP in this thread though I have no doubt you are every bit the thief as the OP. If the line pre-game was 1.36, there is no way the line moves anywhere near 1.91 in a scoreless game in the 10th minute unless there was a red card issued to the favored team during that first 10 minutes. Since you created a new account after the OP started this thread, I wouldn't be surprised if you are indeed Isakambach. Its easy to talk like a big shot when you're hiding behind the protection that the internet provides. GET A LIFE, BOY!!!
                                                            andywend, i see you don't have a profile picture. may i suggest
                                                            Last edited by SBR Jonelyn; 02-25-16, 11:52 AM. Reason: image does not exist
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                                                            • smanov1234
                                                              SBR Rookie
                                                              • 05-30-13
                                                              • 10

                                                              #31
                                                              Yeap, Andy, you are completely right ! You've got me. jumpsquat is another account of mine. All of us are rough criminals who try to cheat the honest bookies.
                                                              Last edited by SBR Jonelyn; 03-31-16, 11:02 AM. Reason: link does not work
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                                                              • sharpcircle
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 02-05-11
                                                                • 308

                                                                #32
                                                                onemoregoal,

                                                                People here are brainwashed to side with teh books. I don't understand it either. its like they enjoy losing money and when they finally win they want to get screwed.

                                                                keep fighting the good fight. This line should not have been canceled it should have been paid in full.
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