5dimes screw up at my expense attention sport bettors BEWARE!!

[HedgeHog]

I deleted it immediately, deciding there was no need to be negative for that very reason.

But seeing you want to call me out over 3 dots, what exactly was wrong with pointing out the stupidity of calling the people you asked to help you "shady corrupt and unfair"?

Seriously, what is the point of that post? Do you think it's of any help to him to bite the only hand that might help him?

And I'm sure you will post in it. Calling one party or the other corrupt and contemptible repeatedly. ;-)

My bad. Typically when someone posts ... it means end the thread . I read more into than I should've, I apologize.

[Dan bouton]

I was not calling sbr shady corrupt and unfair I'm speaking of the situation as a whole! I pointed out 5d possibly not sharing important info with sbr and that is why they feel the way they do on this case! I do not know what information sbr has obtained yet that is why I continually state that I'm assuming they have yet to review important facts giving them the benifit of a doubt.As to unfair I said that all this is unfair to me anD again that's the situation as a whole. If I ever come off as being frustrated and upset that's because I am. If I had a more personal outlet to vent or communicate I would but I have not had the chance to speak with a single sbr mod. I would love to stop having to put everything out here for all to see and take care of this in a more private manner!

[cutter2225]

I deleted it immediately, deciding there was no need to be negative for that very reason.

But seeing you want to call me out over 3 dots, what exactly was wrong with pointing out the stupidity of calling the people you asked to help you "shady corrupt and unfair"?

Seriously, what is the point of that post? Do you think it's of any help to him to bite the only hand that might help him?

And I'm sure you will post in it. Calling one party or the other corrupt and contemptible repeatedly. ;-)

Unless I'm missing something it seems obvious Dan's getting no help from SBR and with that said I see nothing wrong with him pointing out a clear double standard. When Corey's mom (likely Corey himself) withheld certain documents that SBR deemed essential to that case, SBR contended that those actions proved Corey's mom was hiding something that would hurt her case. So now the shoes on the other foot and SBR is trying tooth and nail to bury this case and move on without releasing what many are asking to see. Why is that? Dan should demand answers unfortunately for him he has no recourse regardless of how badly SBR screws him.

[The Kraken]

Funny you mention Cory. I was just thinking that the OP writes A LOT like Cory. It's also playing out just like Cory's debacles.

[raydog]

mother of fukking god...dan and others, why do morons keep bashing sbr and keep crying about them not helping, etc? what dont you understand about tonys position here??? the only thing he sees is that someone was taking free shots with his books money... no arbitration is needed and the only thing he wants to hear is that his money will be paid back...thats not happening either...tony has made it clear that there is absolutely nothing, and i mean not a single fukking thing in the world, that sbr can do to help Dan or change tony's mind about this...you will never get the acct. opened and will never play there again under your real name...these are facts that you guys need to deal with... sbr could tell tony they are dropping his rating and dropping them altogether and tony would tell them to go fukk themselves and that sbr needs 5D much much more than he needs them...wont effect his business any...

what im trying to say is get off sbr's dick...not every issue is one they can help with or have a say so...they dont have a say so in anything in this one...they arent going to push tony's buttons either.(nor should they) ... all the bitching and crying to and about sbr is beyond annoying now... dan, they couldnt help you if they wanted pal...

[Dan bouton]

I'm asking sbr to decide the case and do what they do. If every a graded book owner can throw a tantrum every time they make a mistake or somebody files a complaint against them and in turn that prevents sbr from doing their job, well u might as well just forfeit all ur rights as a player because that's what will happen.if something isn't done because tony won't abide by the ruling that's no reason to not settle the case. If I get fined and I say I won't pay the ticket it's still going on my record and if I do it again I may go to jail these are the consequences.I think tony does want a good name for his business. He would be foolish not to. Look at all the d and f books, they are not doing as well as a and b books I bet. If he refuses to pay ok that's been said but more can be done!

As for the thread if u are sick of it then stop following it. It's that simple. I dont like gay porn so if it's on tv I don't watch it. When u see the thread pretend ur me and it's gay porn. Don't click on it!

[mtneer1212]

I'm asking sbr to decide the case and do what they do. If every a graded book owner can throw a tantrum every time they make a mistake or somebody files a complaint against them and in turn that prevents sbr from doing their job, well u might as well just forfeit all ur rights as a player because that's what will happen.if something isn't done because tony won't abide by the ruling that's no reason to not settle the case. If I get fined and I say I won't pay the ticket it's still going on my record and if I do it again I may go to jail these are the consequences.I think tony does want a good name for his business. He would be foolish not to. Look at all the d and f books, they are not doing as well as a and b books I bet. If he refuses to pay ok that's been said but more can be done!

As for the thread if u are sick of it then stop following it. It's that simple. I dont like gay porn so if it's on tv I don't watch it. When u see the thread pretend ur me and it's gay porn. Don't click on it!

Looks to me like SBR made their decision. Time to accept the decision and move on.

[MonkeyF0cker]

mother of fukking god...dan and others, why do morons keep bashing sbr and keep crying about them not helping, etc? what dont you understand about tonys position here??? the only thing he sees is that someone was taking free shots with his books money... no arbitration is needed and the only thing he wants to hear is that his money will be paid back...thats not happening either...tony has made it clear that there is absolutely nothing, and i mean not a single fukking thing in the world, that sbr can do to help Dan or change tony's mind about this...you will never get the acct. opened and will never play there again under your real name...these are facts that you guys need to deal with... sbr could tell tony they are dropping his rating and dropping them altogether and tony would tell them to go fukk themselves and that sbr needs 5D much much more than he needs them...wont effect his business any...

what im trying to say is get off sbr's dick...not every issue is one they can help with or have a say so...they dont have a say so in anything in this one...they arent going to push tony's buttons either.(nor should they) ... all the bitching and crying to and about sbr is beyond annoying now... dan, they couldnt help you if they wanted pal...

If all of the things that you're implying here are true, you think players should just hush up, accept it, and continue sending their money to 5Dimes?

[BranchDavidian]

mother of fukking god...dan and others, why do morons keep bashing sbr and keep crying about them not helping, etc? what dont you understand about tonys position here??? the only thing he sees is that someone was taking free shots with his books money... no arbitration is needed and the only thing he wants to hear is that his money will be paid back...thats not happening either...tony has made it clear that there is absolutely nothing, and i mean not a single fukking thing in the world, that sbr can do to help Dan or change tony's mind about this...you will never get the acct. opened and will never play there again under your real name...these are facts that you guys need to deal with... sbr could tell tony they are dropping his rating and dropping them altogether and tony would tell them to go fukk themselves and that sbr needs 5D much much more than he needs them...wont effect his business any...

what im trying to say is get off sbr's dick...not every issue is one they can help with or have a say so...they dont have a say so in anything in this one...they arent going to push tony's buttons either.(nor should they) ... all the bitching and crying to and about sbr is beyond annoying now... dan, they couldnt help you if they wanted pal...

Great conclusion here! If SBR can't get a correct resolution to a dispute, it should just forget about the whole thing? There is no point to having dispute resolution then, is there. If SBR doesn't cause pain for a bookie that incorrectly applies its own rules on a player, it has effectively thrown away its role as mediator. Why would any book pay any attention to SBR's rulings? What are YOU going to do if a book screws you and SBR agrees with you but the book ignores SBR? Are you going to tell SBR to just forget about it? Or would you feel that, just perhaps, SBR should apply some pressure?

[pjesnik24]

downgrade 5dimes to -D until this is settled and remove them from sponsor and recommended list if they do not pay up.
They do not have to pay, there are other bookies like wagerweb etc who pay who they want and keep the winnings when they want quoting mistakes made months ago and they were downgraded to something like D (too lazy to check)

[BranchDavidian]

downgrade 5dimes to -D until this is settled and remove them from sponsor and recommended list if they do not pay up.
They do not have to pay, there are other bookies like wagerweb etc who pay who they want and keep the winnings when they want quoting mistakes made months ago and they were downgraded to something like D (too lazy to check)

I really don't know what should happen in this case, other than SBR ought to have an investigation and come up with a ruling. From what I have read, it sounds like the OP has a case --- and I am a big supporter of 5dimes.
However, Raydog's reasoning ( which seems to be in agreement with several other posters ) is just ridiculous. Why do we even bother to use SBR if we think that SBR should make rulings that have no consequences if ingored? That just amounts to a free ticket for any scam site.

[raiders72001]

mother of fukking god...dan and others, why do morons keep bashing sbr and keep crying about them not helping, etc? what dont you understand about tonys position here??? the only thing he sees is that someone was taking free shots with his books money... no arbitration is needed and the only thing he wants to hear is that his money will be paid back...thats not happening either...tony has made it clear that there is absolutely nothing, and i mean not a single fukking thing in the world, that sbr can do to help Dan or change tony's mind about this...you will never get the acct. opened and will never play there again under your real name...these are facts that you guys need to deal with... sbr could tell tony they are dropping his rating and dropping them altogether and tony would tell them to go fukk themselves and that sbr needs 5D much much more than he needs them...wont effect his business any...

what im trying to say is get off sbr's dick...not every issue is one they can help with or have a say so...they dont have a say so in anything in this one...they arent going to push tony's buttons either.(nor should they) ... all the bitching and crying to and about sbr is beyond annoying now... dan, they couldnt help you if they wanted pal...

This is a great post. It's a simple case. There doesn't need to be any more of an investigation. It's all out there. You either agree with 5Dimes or agree with Dan. Nothing more that is said or done is going to change anyone's stance at this point.

[raiders72001]

If all of the things that you're implying here are true, you think players should just hush up, accept it, and continue sending their money to 5Dimes?

You can whine, cry, and stomp your feet all that you want but it makes no difference. For people that actually play at 5Dimes, they could care less what happens in this case. No one is going to stop depositing there. The people stating otherwise, had no intent in ever playing at 5Dimes.

[wtt0315]

would of he gotten a refund if he lost and then said something about it?

[raydog]

If all of the things that you're implying here are true, you think players should just hush up, accept it, and continue sending their money to 5Dimes?

haha, its not true for all cases and you know this...but tony thinks the guy stole from him and they both think they are owed money... if tony didnt think he was owed back money he already sent dan, then there might be hope for the kid to get something...but you arent going to make a deal with tony after he thinks he got fukked...

but to answer your question, there is nothing wrong with 5dimes and you know it too... your money is safe and they have more options than anyone for u.s players... the problem here is the pleaser money in question was never dans in the first place...well, $39 of it was.

dan, i like reading disputes and peoples posts on them...it helps us all learn a little bit...im trying to save you from making your headache even bigger...thats all...the faster that you let this go, the better you will feel... sbr can be very helpful at times and at others, their decisions can be completely irrelevant...this is one of those times... thats all.

[mtneer1212]

would of he gotten a refund if he lost and then said something about it?

An excellent question........ or here is another: If he made the large wagers and lost after he ran up his account on ill-gotten funds, would 5dimes adjust his account to reflect a negative balance, and claim he owes money?

[cutter2225]

From what Dan has said he called to verify the pleaser was priced correctly and twice was told yes, in my opinion that puts most of the blame and responsibility squarely on 5dimes and its employees but i'm going to take it a step further and play the hypothetical game for a minute. Lets say Dan makes the wager, realizes that the potential payout is screwy, calls 5Dimes to verify the wager and payout are correct and is told yes twice by what he believes are managers. All these things happened if Dans telling the truth, but what if instead of taking the 2 managers word for it Dan decided he wanted to cancel the wager because in his opinion the payout wasn't right regardless of what the 2 managers had told him. Then he asks 5Dimes to cancel the bet and if 5Dimes acts like most books do then they would very likely refuse the cancel request. Then the rest plays out like it has, what would the outcome be? Of course that is all a what if scenario but if it happened like that I don't see how 5Dimes could worm out of it.

[raydog]

I really don't know what should happen in this case, other than SBR ought to have an investigation and come up with a ruling. From what I have read, it sounds like the OP has a case --- and I am a big supporter of 5dimes.
However, Raydog's reasoning ( which seems to be in agreement with several other posters ) is just ridiculous. Why do we even bother to use SBR if we think that SBR should make rulings that have no consequences if ingored? That just amounts to a free ticket for any scam site.

you mean 5d paying the guy 11k and others that have already exploited this mstake wasnt a consequence? gtfo

BD, there are plenty of 5dimes cases where sbr helps get things taken care of... unfortunately, it aint happening with this one...personally, i dont think it should either and i believe you will see 5d reword a rule or two over it...im not a fan of human error giving anyone the right to take shots.

for the people who keep asking if his money(all .57c) whould have been refunded if he had lost the bet (knowing it was a bad line and all) ... the answer here is almost always NO... a person taking shots at a book through a grossly obvious bad line doesnt deserve a refund...not in my book anyways...why should you be able to try and fukk the book and not pay if it doesnt work out??? now, if its a borderline bad line and the book decides to cancel winning wagers, then i agree they should void all the wagers and refund loses...but not when the odds are 7000-1 instead of 70-1 ... regardless of the bad info the guy got, he still knew the odds were wrong...

personally, i have had plenty of issues with books over the years, but its always banking/payout issues...i have never tried to scam or fukk over a book and i let bad lines and misgrades be known...if you know a line is bad, dont just ask the clerk to check it...tell them the line is wrong and to contact the line mngr... you have to understand what you are dealing with when you bet offshore... obv, it will never happen, but there are so many problems that could be avoided if gamblers were a little more honest...

[rumnblack]

Dan, you can see Tony threatening other people here: http://tiny.cc/9zjwow

You may also wish to cast your vote lol

[cutter2225]

you mean 5d paying the guy 11k and others that have already exploited this mstake wasnt a consequence? gtfo

BD, there are plenty of 5dimes cases where sbr helps get things taken care of... unfortunately, it aint happening with this one...personally, i dont think it should either and i believe you will see 5d reword a rule or two over it...im not a fan of human error giving anyone the right to take shots.

for the people who keep asking if his money(all .57c) whould have been refunded if he had lost the bet (knowing it was a bad line and all) ... the answer here is almost always NO... a person taking shots at a book through a grossly obvious bad line doesnt deserve a refund...not in my book anyways...why should you be able to try and fukk the book and not pay if it doesnt work out??? now, if its a borderline bad line and the book decides to cancel winning wagers, then i agree they should void all the wagers and refund loses...but not when the odds are 7000-1 instead of 70-1 ... regardless of the bad info the guy got, he still knew the odds were wrong...

personally, i have had plenty of issues with books over the years, but its always banking/payout issues...i have never tried to scam or fukk over a book and i let bad lines and misgrades be known...if you know a line is bad, dont just ask the clerk to check it...tell them the line is wrong and to contact the line mngr... you have to understand what you are dealing with when you bet offshore... obv, it will never happen, but there are so many problems that could be avoided if gamblers were a little more honest...

Honesty is a two way street pal and for every "honest" bookmaker there's 5 that will stick it to the gambler any chance they get.

[Scooter]

you mean 5d paying the guy 11k and others that have already exploited this mstake wasnt a consequence? gtfo

BD, there are plenty of 5dimes cases where sbr helps get things taken care of... unfortunately, it aint happening with this one...personally, i dont think it should either and i believe you will see 5d reword a rule or two over it...im not a fan of human error giving anyone the right to take shots.

for the people who keep asking if his money(all .57c) whould have been refunded if he had lost the bet (knowing it was a bad line and all) ... the answer here is almost always NO... a person taking shots at a book through a grossly obvious bad line doesnt deserve a refund...not in my book anyways...why should you be able to try and fukk the book and not pay if it doesnt work out??? now, if its a borderline bad line and the book decides to cancel winning wagers, then i agree they should void all the wagers and refund loses...but not when the odds are 7000-1 instead of 70-1 ... regardless of the bad info the guy got, he still knew the odds were wrong...

personally, i have had plenty of issues with books over the years, but its always banking/payout issues...i have never tried to scam or fukk over a book and i let bad lines and misgrades be known...if you know a line is bad, dont just ask the clerk to check it...tell them the line is wrong and to contact the line mngr... you have to understand what you are dealing with when you bet offshore... obv, it will never happen, but there are so many problems that could be avoided if gamblers were a little more honest...

No matter how egregious and unjust the situation, there's always a Forum Ball Licker/Sportsbook Ball Licker to try to justify.

raydog trying hard to compete with raiders for the title.

[raydog]

Honesty is a two way street pal and for every "honest" bookmaker there's 5 that will stick it to the gambler any chance they get.

unfortunately, you only hear of the disputes where the player is unhappy...if we heard every dispute where the player tries to scam the book somehow, you would never need to read another thread as long as you live... that is a fact.

[pjesnik24]

unfortunately, you only hear of the disputes where the player is unhappy...if we heard every dispute where the player tries to scam the book somehow, you would never need to read another thread as long as you live... that is a fact.

we hear those and SBR rules accordingly by confirming the sportsbook's decision

[raydog]

we hear those and SBR rules accordingly by confirming the sportsbook's decision

lolzz you dont have a clue of whats going on buddy... if sportsbooks filed complaints, you would never have time to read another thread

[BranchDavidian]

you mean 5d paying the guy 11k and others that have already exploited this mstake wasnt a consequence? gtfo

BD, there are plenty of 5dimes cases where sbr helps get things taken care of... unfortunately, it aint happening with this one...personally, i dont think it should either and i believe you will see 5d reword a rule or two over it...im not a fan of human error giving anyone the right to take shots.

for the people who keep asking if his money(all .57c) whould have been refunded if he had lost the bet (knowing it was a bad line and all) ... the answer here is almost always NO... a person taking shots at a book through a grossly obvious bad line doesnt deserve a refund...not in my book anyways...why should you be able to try and fukk the book and not pay if it doesnt work out??? now, if its a borderline bad line and the book decides to cancel winning wagers, then i agree they should void all the wagers and refund loses...but not when the odds are 7000-1 instead of 70-1 ... regardless of the bad info the guy got, he still knew the odds were wrong...

personally, i have had plenty of issues with books over the years, but its always banking/payout issues...i have never tried to scam or fukk over a book and i let bad lines and misgrades be known...if you know a line is bad, dont just ask the clerk to check it...tell them the line is wrong and to contact the line mngr... you have to understand what you are dealing with when you bet offshore... obv, it will never happen, but there are so many problems that could be avoided if gamblers were a little more honest...

I think that if a bookie books a bet then he must pay the winner. You are of the opinion that the bets after the winning teaser don't count. That is not 5dimes rule, or what Justin7 says should happen. So, a "fair" ruling would be for 5dimes to pay the OP his winnings, minus the extra payout received from the teaser. Then, the $11,000 is not a consequence, nor is the rest of the money.

[pjesnik24]

lolzz you dont have a clue of whats going on buddy... if sportsbooks filed complaints, you would never have time to read another thread

I am happy you know everything my friend. they do not need to file a complaint as they just keep the money and then the player, if he thinks he has a case, files a complaint get it?

[rumnblack]

lolzz you dont have a clue of whats going on buddy... if sportsbooks filed complaints, you would never have time to read another thread

What do you think would be the outcome here if this were EZ?

[raydog]

I am happy you know everything my friend. they do not need to file a complaint as they just keep the money and then the player, if he thinks he has a case, files a complaint get it?

i dont know everything, my friend... but you dont seem to understand that the forums only get the disputes where the player thinks they are right... you dont see all the bs the books go through from guys trying their best to scam them...you only see when a player is unhappy with something.

im not going to pay (more than i already have) a player who has run up a balance with funds that werent his to gamble with and he received through mistake...but i do think tony has to do something about how pitiful his staff is...sure, the blame rests on their shoulders, but keep paying for my staffs mistake after it is found? nah, not going to happen...

[pjesnik24]

i dont know everything, my friend... but you dont seem to understand that the forums only get the disputes where the player thinks they are right... you dont see all the bs the books go through from guys trying their best to scam them...you only see when a player is unhappy with something.

im not going to pay (more than i already have) a player who has run up a balance with funds that werent his to gamble with and he received through mistake...but i do think tony has to do something about how pitiful his staff is...sure, the blame rests on their shoulders, but keep paying for my staffs mistake after it is found? nah, not going to happen...

of course players try to scam books but I am not sure what that has to do with this case? 5dimes rule is that all bets stand (after the first win) and they decided to ignore that rule that they made to protect themselves. That rule sums up who is scamming whom in this case. I pity the US gamblers if they have to accept this crap and continue to play at 5D

[KGambler]

In my opinion, this is a pretty simple case. It amounts to this - what would happen in this situation?

1. player wins 3900 on mispriced pleaser
2. player places 3900 straight bet
3. player loses 3900 straight bet
4. 5Dimes realizes payout mistake on pleaser bet


What happens now? If 5Dimes adjusts his balance to negative 3900, then it's obvious he should win this dispute and the only thing that should happen to his current balance is that the 3900 is subtracted.

And according to 5Dimes own rules, it does sound like his account would have been adjusted to a negative balance.

[raydog]

of course players try to scam books but I am not sure what that has to do with this case? 5dimes rule is that all bets stand (after the first win) and they decided to ignore that rule that they made to protect themselves. That rule sums up who is scamming whom in this case. I pity the US gamblers if they have to accept this crap and continue to play at 5D

so you pity the u.s. players because this one instance where, morally, the player is completely wrong for taking a wrong payout and running up a balance with money that didnt belong to him??? i understand books getting a bad reputation for telling players its their way or the highway, but rules or no rules, you cant sit there and tell me that because of human error, this guy deserves to get paid in full for a balance he ran up with money that didnt belong to him...

im not going to waste my time looking over all their rules today, but there must be something somewhere that will contradict the rule of them paying the other bets out...may be something raiders can do if he has time today.

[raydog]

In my opinion, this is a pretty simple case. It amounts to this - what would happen in this situation?

1. player wins 3900 on mispriced pleaser
2. player places 3900 straight bet
3. player loses 3900 straight bet
4. 5Dimes realizes payout mistake on pleaser bet


What happens now? If 5Dimes adjusts his balance to negative 3900, then it's obvious he should win this dispute and the only thing that should happen to his current balance is that the 3900 is subtracted.

And according to 5Dimes own rules, it does sound like his account would have been adjusted to a negative balance.

only 5dimes can answer the question...the rest of us would only be guessing... my guess would be that since he called to make sure the price was correct, 5dimes would have simply set his balance back at 0 and eaten the 3900 bet that he lost instead of giving him a (-) balance because of their own mistake... that is what i would do, but who knows what they would do.

[KGambler]

As for the secondary issues, a lot of great points have already been brought up in this thread.

1. if this were a non-sponsor (think sportsbook.com), this dispute would be splashed all over the front page and any resolution would eventually be appended. Disputes with sponsors are treated differently. That only hurts the credibility of SBR and the sportsbook ratings in general.

2. the player was threatened. This was totally ignored by SBR. SBR really dropped the ball on this point. As much as I love 5Dimes, this is worthy of a drop in ratings and a mention on the front page.

3. Justin7 should resign from SBR. He has a good reputation in sports betting circles, but his association with SBR is hurting that.

4. There is a clear conflict of interest here with a "watchdog" accepting affiliate/advertising money from books. Sadly, while SBR is clearly biased in this regard, they are still head and shoulders better than covers or any of those other clown sites.

[KGambler]

only 5dimes can answer the question...the rest of us would only be guessing... my guess would be that since he called to make sure the price was correct, 5dimes would have simply set his balance back at 0 and eaten the 3900 bet that he lost instead of giving him a (-) balance because of their own mistake... that is what i would do, but who knows what they would do.

This is your only post in this thread that I agree with. We don't know for sure.

But no attempt was ever made to find out. Far from trying to find out, Bill didn't even understand the issue. How can he clarify things with 5Dimes or search for the relevant rules if he doesn't even understand the central issue? It's clear Justin7 is the only guy who works on dispute resolution who attempts to remain logically consistent, or who displays a thorough understanding of the industry.

It's sad, but true.

And SBR is still the best of the "watchdog" sites.

[cutter2225]

only 5dimes can answer the question...the rest of us would only be guessing... my guess would be that since he called to make sure the price was correct, 5dimes would have simply set his balance back at 0 and eaten the 3900 bet that he lost instead of giving him a (-) balance because of their own mistake... that is what i would do, but who knows what they would do.

You're kidding right? If the above situation happened Tony would jam this guy for the $3900 and threaten him daily. So you think calling to make sure the price was correct would absolve Dan from owing money in the above example? If thats the case then it should also add credibility to his claim that 5Dimes take responsibility for the matter at hand.