5dimes screw up at my expense attention sport bettors BEWARE!!

**raiders72001** · 12-04-12, 08:50 PM

Point proven- rumnblack and Hedghog just fill threads up with total garbage.

**SlickRick1382** · 12-04-12, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

It's been so long ago that I don't even remember his outcome. He said that this has happened many times in the past. Then he stated what was done.

Actually Justin sided with the player and then never posted in this thread again ...

It wasn't that long ago and wasn't something that is so easily forgotten since it went against what the higher ups stated...

Which means you're just posting for the penetrate of it and without much knowledge of the situation.

**raiders72001** · 12-04-12, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by SlickRick1382

Actually Justin sided with the player and then never posted in this thread again ..

Pay winnings and deduct over payment of approximately $3k? Looks like that's why it isn't being given to Justin. It does seem to be over then. Dan got $10k and that's it. No one is changing 5Dimes mind or SBRJohn.

**Dan bouton** · 12-04-12, 09:13 PM

I think sbr and 5d took everyone who placed this bet in the last few months and grouped them all together as one without specifically looking into the individual cases. Anyone who made this wager was labeled a shot taker and pushed aside. If they took the time to review some of these cases individually (like mine)I think it would not be hard to single out the good from the bad or those specifically targeting 5d and shot taking and those who werent.I'm sure many people out there new exactly what was going on and bet this wager but there is myself who tried to do the right thing and still is being reprimanded and screwed. Regardless of what is going on out there with other people I think I should get a fair evaluation of my case and not be categorized with others I know nothing about!

I would like to point out that after putting out my email address on the other thread I was contacted by another guy who said he placed this bet and was later not paid! Difference being is he strictly bet this pleaser and all his profits were made off of it. He said he was paid over 20k and had like another 50 or more to collect. I can see 5dimes frustration here but my situation is totally diferent and should be treated as such!

**Optional** · 12-04-12, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

I think sbr and 5d took everyone who placed this bet in the last few months and grouped them all together as one without specifically looking into the individual cases. Anyone who made this wager was labeled a shot taker and pushed aside. If they took the time to review some of these cases individually (like mine)I think it would not be hard to single out the good from the bad or those specifically targeting 5d and shot taking and those who werent.I'm sure many people out there new exactly what was going on and bet this wager but there is myself who tried to do the right thing and still is being reprimanded and screwed. Regardless of what is going on out there with other people I think I should get a fair evaluation of my case and not be categorized with others I know nothing about!

I would like to point out that after putting out my email address on the other thread I was contacted by another guy who said he placed this bet and was later not paid! Difference being is he strictly bet this pleaser and all his profits were made off of it. He said he was paid over 20k and had like another 50 or more to collect. I can see 5dimes frustration here but my situation is totally diferent and should be treated as such!

Well that at least goes some way to explaining Tony's angry attitude about it.

**raiders72001** · 12-04-12, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

I think sbr and 5d took everyone who placed this bet in the last few months and grouped them all together as one without specifically looking into the individual cases. Anyone who made this wager was labeled a shot taker and pushed aside. If they took the time to review some of these cases individually (like mine)I think it would not be hard to single out the good from the bad or those specifically targeting 5d and shot taking and those who werent.I'm sure many people out there new exactly what was going on and bet this wager but there is myself who tried to do the right thing and still is being reprimanded and screwed. Regardless of what is going on out there with other people I think I should get a fair evaluation of my case and not be categorized with others I know nothing about!

I would like to point out that after putting out my email address on the other thread I was contacted by another guy who said he placed this bet and was later not paid! Difference being is he strictly bet this pleaser and all his profits were made off of it. He said he was paid over 20k and had like another 50 or more to collect. I can see 5dimes frustration here but my situation is totally diferent and should be treated as such!

Interesting. I wonder if others hit and got paid.

**Dan bouton** · 12-04-12, 09:46 PM

Well with sbr stating befor that a group of players bet this and some did well while some did not pretty much states that there r more out there who were paid. I'm trying to reach out to anybody who did partake in the wager to see how their stories compare to mine. I only have him so far who contacted me but he said he new of anther guy ( I think a family member of his) who was paid over 10k but I never spoke to him juJst hearsay at this point. He also said he was threatened by tony! I have not seen any proof or documents to this but the guy new the exact bet and everything so I'm sure it wasn't made up.

**HedgeHog** · 12-04-12, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

Hmm. It looks like 5dimes rules are pretty clear there. If they resettle the pleaser at the correct price, the player's account would be docked the difference between his won amount ($3500) and the correct amount ($200), or about $3300.

Surprisingly, this situation happens fairly often (where, due to a regrade, a player's balance goes negative). I verified that those quoted rules were on the site. This makes it clear how this should resolve: dock the account $3300, and carry on.

Fill out a complaint, and we will try to help you.

Post #51 for those that haven't read the entire thread.

**raiders72001** · 12-04-12, 10:24 PM

made on 11/24/12

**slash** · 12-05-12, 12:42 AM

So in your eyes it is fair that Justin doesn't handle the case, because he has the wrong opinion?

Originally posted by raiders72001

Pay winnings and deduct over payment of approximately $3k? Looks like that's why it isn't being given to Justin. It does seem to be over then. Dan got $10k and that's it. No one is changing 5Dimes mind or SBRJohn.

**raiders72001** · 12-05-12, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by slash

So in your eyes it is fair that Justin doesn't handle the case, because he has the wrong opinion?

Why do I have to spoon feed someone like you that's been around the block? The game is rigged. SBR doesn't want Justin making the call. My whole point is that SBR and 5Dimes have made their decision. People are wasting way too much time on this including myself. Posters can talk about it for years.

Bump it for years, it doesn't hurt 5Dimes one bit. 5Dimes isn't perfect. They make grading errors. They will limit you. But the facts are that people that play it straight will get paid. Don't cheat 5Dimes and they won't cheat you.

**raydog** · 12-05-12, 01:45 AM

this thread still going on

..the guy was mistakenly given 4k to freeroll into whatever he could....he got 11k of withdrawals out of it before the mistake was discovered...human error allowed him to shot take and he got lucky to go on a good run...there isnt a thing that justin, sbr or an imaginary god can say that will make tony feel any differently and open or pay out the acct(nor should he)....there will never be any different decision.

**Dan bouton** · 12-05-12, 02:01 AM

The biggest question I would like somebody who is in favor of Tony's ruling on this is;

If I were to lose this 3900$ that was misgraded to me what would happen?
Would I be liable for that money? All rules and past experiences of others say I would be responsible to pay 5d any money lost due to the mis grade.

If this one question can be answered by sbr or anybody who agrees with them I would appreciate it and may be able to make some sense of all this!

**raiders72001** · 12-05-12, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

The biggest question I would like somebody who is in favor of Tony's ruling on this is;

If I were to lose this 3900$ that was misgraded to me what would happen?
Would I be liable for that money? All rules and past experiences of others say I would be responsible to pay 5d any money lost due to the mis grade.

If this one question can be answered by sbr or anybody who agrees with them I would appreciate it and may be able to make some sense of all this!

If that happened, you wouldn't pay him. We should throw out theory and talk about reality.

**Dan bouton** · 12-05-12, 02:15 AM

Not the answer I was looking for but thanks!

Lets get it strait though! R u saying u wouldn't pay back money from a misgrade? R u saying nobody would pay it back or r u saying I'm a low life who wouldn't pay a debt that I occurred!

**raiders72001** · 12-05-12, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

Not the answer I was looking for but thanks!

Lets get it strait though! R u saying u wouldn't pay back money from a misgrade? R u saying nobody would pay it back or r u saying I'm a low life who wouldn't pay a debt that I occurred!

Don't take it the wrong way. I don't consider you a low life nor were I trying to insult you. The fact is that a post up player isn't going to pay back $3900. The exception would be if the player were also a fairly large credit player. Then he would need to save his reputation.

**MonkeyF0cker** · 12-05-12, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Point proven- rumnblack and Hedghog just fill threads up with total garbage.

No irony in this statement.

**raydog** · 12-05-12, 02:46 AM

IMO, only a serious player would notify/ pay back a gross misgrade... For the rec player, it's no bigdeal...doesn't matter to them if they get booted...someone that depends on that book as an important out, would make it right with the book before ever even getting to the withdrawal stage...someone that makes a living gambling, wouldn't have accepted the wrong payout in the first place, in fear of getting chucked by said book...having that book and others associated with it are far too important.
I don't think anyone is calling you a thief, besides Tony...and nobody here is saying you wouldn't pay a debt...were you taking a shot at them with money that wasn't yours? Most certainly

...and that's why you don't deserve anything more than you have already gotten

**Dan bouton** · 12-05-12, 02:52 AM

I don't know what a post up player is but I see what ur saying. I really wouldn't consider myself any specific player. I'm a new player and potentially a decent player when it comes to the action I would have brought. I can see without any knowledge as to what kind of player I was they wouldn't put much effort or many resources into collecting a debt as such but I think they would at least attemp to get the $ from me if that is their policy and those are the rules. Wich again should weigh heavily into sbr's ruling. I'm not being dfoolish or having the false hope of getting any money from this cause ultimately that would lie in Tony's hands but I'm asking for a full inquiry and investigation into my specific case. I should not be grouped into a category of people who bet this and new exactly what they were doing. A fair ruling is in order and then we can take it from there.

**raiders72001** · 12-05-12, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

I don't know what a post up player is but I see what ur saying. I really wouldn't consider myself any specific player. I'm a new player and potentially a decent player when it comes to the action I would have brought. I can see without any knowledge as to what kind of player I was they wouldn't put much effort or many resources into collecting a debt as such but I think they would at least attemp to get the $ from me if that is their policy and those are the rules. Wich again should weigh heavily into sbr's ruling. I'm not being dfoolish or having the false hope of getting any money from this cause ultimately that would lie in Tony's hands but I'm asking for a full inquiry and investigation into my specific case. I should not be grouped into a category of people who bet this and new exactly what they were doing. A fair ruling is in order and then we can take it from there.

well said.

**Dan bouton** · 12-05-12, 03:11 AM

Also why are we going off the assumption that I would not have deposited more money to cover my other bets? I basically opened the account with 900$ via cc. I played that down to a very low balance with a couple wagers pending. Had this bet not hit or it had'nt been cleared by two managers or cs reps a week or so prior, who's to say I don't deposit another 1000 or 2 considering my daily cc limit went up to 500 from 250. The fault lies solely on the book not me, a player who new very little as to what's right and what's wrong when it comes to this industry. I trusted the fact that two people working for 5dimes gave me good information.

**raydog** · 12-05-12, 03:42 AM

You didn't trust them though...You knew the pleaser odds were wrong...that's why you asked in the first place...you won't convince anyone that you didn't know the clerks were clueless too...what you "might" have deposited if the play lost is completely irrelevant...you were given money to make bets with 0 recourse if they lost...sbr won't waste more time looking into your case ... there is no need to since Tony is quite adamant about his feelings...i would quit worrying about what might have been and go have some fun with the Money you got out of the deal

**Dark Horse** · 12-05-12, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by Dan bouton

I was told by justin7 long ago thru pm that he is no longer able to comment on this complaint unless it is specifically assigned to him. He said sorry but it's the chain of command he must follow!

It's all a show now. Because SBR's affiliation with books is undeniable and for all to see, they invite an 'impartial' opinion and before you know it raiders is spamming another thread he would otherwise have zero interest in.

The only credibility SBR has left is through Justin, but now even he is told to shut up.

**HedgeHog** · 12-05-12, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

It's all a show now. Because SBR's affiliation with books is undeniable and for all to see, they invite an 'impartial' opinion and before you know it raiders is spamming another thread he would otherwise have zero interest in.

The only credibility SBR has left is through Justin, but now even he is told to shut up.

Raiders agenda is surely obvious. Either he's on SBR's payroll unofficially already or he's trying extremely hard to get the next Mod position, likely Justin7's spot. Apparently SBR has no room for Mods that might rule against sponsors. Even though J7 found for Heritage recently, SBR John didn't seem too happy about his ruling that Cory's deposit should be returned. You'll recall that John was more in favor of a total stiff job in that case. Now J7 has the audacity to say that 5D should follow its own rules and pay Dan B his remaining balance? We can't have this at the new SBR--Sponsors Be Right.

**Mikeyanks23** · 12-05-12, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by Mikeyanks23

maybe i missed it, but why isnt this on the news wire? ive seen much smaller things on there with smaller non promoted sportsbooks on there

**The Kraken** · 12-05-12, 07:26 AM

Yet another example of why SBR should not be arbitrating these cases.

Arbitrators should be free and clear of even potential conflicts of interest. Undeniably, SBR is entrenched in conflicts of interest.

Collect your sponsor money, be an affiliate, collect on players losses and go back to being a sportsbook review. But you have no business arbitrating between books and players.

Good luck, OP. The maximum impact of your story, for me atleast, has nothing to do with 5D's incompetence or Tony being a douche,as these are both well known and not a surprise. It is in that you have provided us with yet another example of SBR assuming the role of judge, jury and executioner.

**pjesnik24** · 12-05-12, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

If that happened, you wouldn't pay him. We should throw out theory and talk about reality.

we do not know if he would pay or not. I once returned 15000E to pinnacle because they processed it twice. The thing here is that SBR and 5dimes would quote the rules and ASK the player to return the money and closed his account until he does so.

**Scooter** · 12-05-12, 10:25 AM

Hedgehog - "Raiders agenda is surely obvious... he's trying extremely hard to get the next Mod position...".

Hopefully he will never get hired by any forum to be a Mod, as that forum would instantly lose all credibility.

Perhaps the only people on the gambling forums who are as big a joke as Raiders are some touts, such as Fezzik.
But Fezzik is a bettor, raiders is a short order cook and messenger for legal firms.
To Raiders, this means he's a restaurant owner and a lawyer.
Definitely the biggest troll on the gambling forums.

I have him on "Ignore" - a simple solution.

**raiders72001** · 12-05-12, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Scooter

Hedgehog - "Raiders agenda is surely obvious... he's trying extremely hard to get the next Mod position...".

Hopefully he will never get hired by any forum to be a Mod, as that forum would instantly lose all credibility.

Perhaps the only people on the gambling forums who are as big a joke as Raiders are some touts, such as Fezzik.
But Fezzik is a bettor, raiders is a short order cook and messenger for legal firms.
To Raiders, this means he's a restaurant owner and a lawyer.
Definitely the biggest troll on the gambling forums.

I have him on "Ignore" - a simple solution.

lol. Nothing against the mods here but that't the last thing I want. I'd love to bet on not owning a restaurant. I'll give you 10-1.

**HedgeHog** · 12-05-12, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

lol. Nothing against the mods here but that't the last thing I want. I'd love to bet on not owning a restaurant. I'll give you 10-1.

Flipping burgers at your local Mickey D's isn't the same thing as owning a restaurant. "Want fries with that"?

**Alluvada143** · 12-05-12, 06:10 PM

You took your chances with the wrong odds.., Knowingly confirming with 5dimes CS, doesn't make your odds for the bet right,

So happily enjoy with you earning for this Christmas and get over with your regular life...

**Dan bouton** · 12-05-12, 07:11 PM

Justin I know u r unable to respond to me but I wanted u to think about this.
If I am in the wrong here why is sbr not doing a full investigation and report on my case? Why are they holding u back and not allowing u to get involved but now Shari has the ok to communicate with me how ever she wants including the phone. Why have none of my records been released including the call log from 5d? Is 5d even cooperating? This all just seems very shady corrupt and unfair to me. I reviewed ur heritage case and found this quote as it relates to this type of behavior!
. Ms. **** refused to allow SBR to have access to this. When a party controls requested evidence, and refuses to allow others access to it, it can be inferred that the evidence is harmful to that party’s case.

**Optional** · 12-05-12, 08:15 PM

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**HedgeHog** · 12-05-12, 08:32 PM

nevermind.

**Optional** · 12-05-12, 08:48 PM

I deleted it immediately, deciding there was no need to be negative for that very reason.

But seeing you want to call me out over 3 dots, what exactly was wrong with pointing out the stupidity of calling the people you asked to help you "shady corrupt and unfair"?

Seriously, what is the point of that post? Do you think it's of any help to him to bite the only hand that might help him?

And I'm sure you will post in it. Calling one party or the other corrupt and contemptible repeatedly. ;-)